Before I move on to posting about tonights game, I wanted to attempt to address the 10,000 pound elephant in the room: The new lease agreement between the State of Loiusiana and the Hornets. Several new details have come out about the agreement and I thought some of the initial reporting was misleading and/or confusing, so I'll do a quick run down of agreement for you.
First, the basics:
- The lease agreement is extended from 2012 to 2014.
- The 15-20 million dollar practice facility the state was going to attach to the Arena is no longer going to be built.
- The Hornets have the option to pay a penalty and get out of their lease in 2009, 2011, 2012, and 2013.
- The 2009 option to get out of their lease is only available if the average attendance of Hornets games from December 1st of 2007 to the end of the 2008-09 season is less than 14,735.
Now, to the financials. The Times-Picayune initially reported that should the Hornets seek to move, it would cost them 100 million dollars. They then listed various penalties, moving costs and mentioned a 62 million dollar buyout of Gary Chouest should Shinn have to move. I noticed some people discussing it on various Hornets boards have combined the two numbers, and are assuming it will flat out cost Shinn 165 million dollars to leave New Orleans. Sorry, that's not the case. Here's what it will cost Shinn:
- Penalty: 10 million dollars to get out of his lease.
- NBA Payout: The NBA requires teams that move to another city to pay the NBA
1030 million dollars - to be split amongst the other owners. - Moving Costs: Shinn has stated in the past it cost around 5-10 million dollars to move from NO to Oklahoma City.
- Gary Chouest Buyout: Shinn's agreement with minority owner Gary Chouest included clauses that should he stop owning the team, or should he move the team, he must buy out Chouest's interest in the team, which is worth 62 million dollars.
Here's the kicker: Chouest's 62 million dollars isn't a cost, it's an investment. Shinn doesn't actually lose the money if he has to buy Chouest out, he can just turn around and sell that portion of the Hornets to another minority owner in another city. I don't know enough about Shinn's financial situation, and it's possible that it may cash-strap him for a while or make him take out loans he has to pay interest on, but it's still an investment, not a loss.
So the only real loss is the other 45 million dollars to get out of the lease, move the team, and pay the NBA to allow him to move. For a man owning a 272 million dollar franchise, that hurts, but you have to acknowledge what just happened in this deal. Shinn gave up a 15 million dollar practice facility for the right to leave. Got that? In his mind, he's already paid 15 million dollars in a bid to leave. At the very least he's planning his exit if its necessary, and you better believe if he's willing to dump 15 million, he's already planned how to handle the rest of the costs, and is ready to go if need be.
Will the Hornets move? I honestly don't know. Unlike some, I don't think Shinn is a snake trying to wiggle out of the city, and I think he'd like to have it work in New Orleans. Still, my gut feeling isn't good.


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Mikey
01/11/08 04:33 AM
In short, the onus is on us to put butts in seats. If we meet the attendance mark, the Hornets cannot even consider an exit-strategy. The Hornets just want to make it profitable to stay here in New Orleans. If they can't accomplish that, they will go, just like ANY other business. I personally don't like their deal with COX. They need to explore a network TV option that the whole region can see the games. If people can't SEE how good this team is, they won't come to the games. Ryan, I'd like you to perhaps do a post about the details with the COX deal, and perhaps a viabale recommendation for a better TV package. I know thats kinda difficult considering you don't live in this area, but I personally believe this sponsorship is really holding us back. Good post tho.
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Ron Hitley
01/11/08 05:38 AM
Yeah, excellent post. I'd been meaning to figure all this out myself but you saved me the trouble. Like Mikey, I too think that it's down to the people of New Orleans to come out and support this team, otherwise the Hornets have no choice but to leave. I'm a little disappointed that the Lakers game didn't sellout on Wednesday. That's not a good sign.
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Steve H
01/11/08 06:05 AM
If it comes down to it- don't be suprised if the league waives it's 10 million penalty for moving the franchise. I always thought that Stern was the driving force behind the teams return- and Shinn has obviously taking a financial hit because of it. I wouldn't be at all suprised if they waive that penalty to make up Shinn's financial sacrifice on behalf of the league(Stern). That move might also get Shinn to pipe down about small market profit sharing in the bargain. Oh the intrigue.
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Ryan Schwan
01/11/08 07:00 AM
Bleh - the relocation fee is actually 30 mil. I updated the post.
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Ron Hitley
01/11/08 10:46 AM
Man, I just caught John Hollinger's take on all this in the NY Sun. Linked it up in the news section, too. He paints a pretty bleak future for the Hornets in New Orleans. Depressing stuff. I think the All-Star game might be our only hope to get more locals interested in basketball. If that goes down well, it should mean better attendance for the Hornets.
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entersandman
01/11/08 01:20 PM
Yeah, just read that article Ron. That 15,000 average attendance figure or whatever it is looks pretty imposing.
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Fab
01/11/08 05:15 PM
The whole talk of moving away from N.O. reminds me of the last years in Charlotte.I'm not a friend of moving a franchise from city to city.Please give the Hornets a chance to establish in N.O. for a minimum five years from now and we will see if the region really i wants this the team or not. Greets from Germay
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Apple
01/11/08 10:06 PM
I'm regusticated! I adore the Hornets. I want them to stay. My husband and I have been at damned near every home game since they hit the Crescent City and even when we're not... we make sure some warm bodies will be sitting in our seats. No empty spaces there. When we attend the games we have signs...signs for everything...signs for everyone...for every situation. Some of the guys, I'll admit, confound us and we can't find a rhyme for their name or an expression that fits. But we adjust and things work themselves out. The thing that confounds me the most is not Shinn...and it's not the NBA. It's The City that I love. And as much as I love her she's not a big Basketball town. She loves Football. She has always loved Football. Basketball is a new-ish flower that landed on her shoulder. It's not an ugly flower...in fact, it's a rather pretty flower. She likes to look at it...it's teal and gold and purple... She smells it. She touches it. She'll even play with it once in a while. But when Football is blooming, that pretty little basketball flower is shoved aside and the City wears her professional black and gold, and her college purple and gold, and even occasionally green and sky blue. But the point is...that pretty little NBA flower never takes precedence. She can't even get her proper respect from the TV and paper news media...and without them she might as well be that "stranger in town" that nobody talks about much because nobody knows about her. The Times-Picayune tries to keep the Hornets name mentioned in the paper as often as they can but the local TV stations kind of treat her as a toss-off, an also-ran... something they mention at the end of the sports show because they feel like they have to say something! And to top it all off Cox and Charter are having a hissy-fit about Cox's agreement to let Charter give access to their North Shore members to their Cox Sports TV which is the company that Hornets signed with in 2002 until 2010 and just recently added 4 more years to bring it to 2014. Which of course means next to nothing. Because.... If the fans living on the North Shore can't get the information and can't get the road games televised what kind of fans will they become? They won't become fans at all. At a time when Cox should be trying to do what they can to get the area up and going they are dragging their feet and trying to squeeze every bit of blood out of that turnip, running the price far out of their already thinly stretched pockets Come on Cox & Charter. Cinch you belt a little tighter. Your city needs your help. We're trying to become our wonderful Crescent City again. We need your assistance. If you give a little you will get a little...and then a lot! ... And a lot more. If you don't...I don't think we'll have much use for you. There are several other servers who are ready and able to give the people what they want. And then little old you might be wondering where all the people are going to come from for you. My advice...don't advertise on your own stations...they don't get to enough markets. Cheers, Apple
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Ron Hitley
01/13/08 02:59 AM
I know how you feel, Apple. It's a crappy situation. The TV thing is really killing the support for the team. People won't come to the games to see the team if they can't form some sort of familiarity with them by watching on TV at home. This mess really needs to be fixed in a hurry.
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