Game 6 is done, the Spurs held serve at home, and now we wait for Game 7 on Monday. Lots to get to today with Hornets-Spurs being the only game last night and everyone in the world wanting to weigh in on a certain incident that occurred in the fourth quarter. Buckle up. This might take a while...
So, Horry's hit on David West. Was it an intentional, dirty play? At first I didn't think so but now I'm not so sure anymore. But hey, judge for yourself. Thanks to Page 3, we've got a picture of the precise moment of impact...

And we've got moving pictures, too...
That animated pic was found over at the SpursTalk.com message board. A lot of the San An fans over there thought the hit was clean, but didn't appreciate the fans chanting Horry's name while West was on the ground in pain. Here's the thoughts of one poster over there...
- I just wanted to apologize to the Hornets fans on this board who have been respectful for the classless fans at the SBC center who chanted "Horry" when West went down.
I love hard basketball, and hard fouls are fine. But when someone gets hurt, that's never something to cheer for. Not everyone in SA is like that, and it was embarrassing to me as someone who always points to the Spurs and my city as having a level of class I'm proud to be associated with. That sucked on the part of our fans.
Matt Moore echoes similar sentiments over at FanHouse...
- Last night, after Robert Horry's "completely clean, incidental, and admirably 'playoff-level'" whack to the injured back of David West, which sent the New Orleans star to the locker room and may affect his appearance in Game 7, a funny little sound started to come from the arena. Slowly it grew louder and louder.
"Horry! Horry! Horry!"
That's right. After a player delivered a forearm that knocked an opponent out of the game with what was obviously a pretty painful back injury, the San Antonio fans decided to chant Cheap Shot Bob's name.
Now that's class.
At The Hive...
- I believe it was totally 100% intentional. I believe it was a malicious play. I don't care that Mark Jackson called it a "playoff foul." Answer me this- what reason did Horry have to push West in the back as he was backpedalling? One, West was totally out of position, stumbling backwards. Two, Horry had the inside offensive possession to the hoop. Three, there was no way he was setting a screen, because the guard had already gotten past his defender and Horry and West were a good distance from the play. Spurs fans have been calling the Hornets "classless." Tell your "7 time NBA Champion" to exhibit some class before ever speaking on the subject again. Horry knew about West's severe back pain. He knew West was totally out of the play defensively. After this game, I know that Robert Horry is a classless individual.
Basketbawful...
- Horry measured West and gave him a shot right in the lower back. Horry knew West's back was injured. Everybody knew West's back was injured. It was a textbook example of a cheap shot. Look, I've played a lot of basketball over the years, both organized and not-so-organized. Stuff like that doesn't happen by accident. It just doesn't. And if you think otherwise, then you're fooling yourself. Horry measured West and gave him a really hard -- and clearly illegal, since it resulted in an offensive foul -- shot into a part of West's body that was known to be injured. Did Horry intend to take West out of the game, or even incapacitate him for Game 7? Probably not. But that barely makes the act any less senseless. And whether he meant for it to happen or not, there's a pretty good likelihood that West will be far from 100 percent for Game 7. Which is a pretty good tradeoff for a simple offensive foul, isn't it? And for those of you who are inevitably going to defend Mr. Cheap Shot, go ahead and answer this question in your defense: How would you react if you were playing pickup basketball and somebody purposely took a shot at your injured back/knee/ankle/whatever? Would you laugh it off as just a good, hard basketball play? Or would you want to strangle the guy?
- If it looks like a rat, smells like a rat, and sounds like a rat, then you don't need to make excuses about it acting like a tough hedgehog, or whatever else Mark Jackson wants to say. It's a rat. Call it that.
Buck Harvey tackles the subject in the San Antonio Express-News, comparing the incident to Horry's hit on Steve Nash a year ago...
- Tyson Chandler summed up the mood of the locker room when asked if Horry's blow had been intended for someone already with a bad back. Chandler admitted to not seeing the play, but Horry's presence confirmed the worst. "I wouldn't doubt it," Chandler said.
They were angrier when the crowd chanted Horry's name about that time, with West on the ground and in pain, and the Hornets had every reason to be angry. Horry deserved to have his name chanted at some point, considering Thursday could have been his last game in San Antonio. But not then.
For Horry, all of it added to his reputation. But just as it's unlikely to think he knew he could persuade a few Suns to walk off the bench and into suspensions, isn't it as implausible to believe he targeted West at his medical weakness and tried to injure him?
No one will give him this benefit of the doubt. There's the connection, after all.
Jim Eichenhofer addresses the incident in the comments of his game recap over at Hornets.com...
- What in the world were the ESPN guys trying to say when they broke down what happened on that Horry/West play?
I really like Jeff Van Gundy's commentary - partly because he makes random references to upstate New York, where he played college ball at "legendary" Nazareth College - but he responded to that Horry incident by saying that Horry "makes winning plays" and "does the little things."
Huh? What do winning plays and the little things have to do with drilling someone from behind like that? Not to mention the fact that if you watch the play, there was no legitimate basketball reason to set a pick there. How many times does a defensive player get blindside picked in that area of the floor?
Mike Monroe gives us the reactions from West and Coach Scott...
- "I haven't seen it (film of the play)," West said. "I'll wait until I see it. I don't know if it was a blind screen or whatever, but I just took a good shot in the back."
Said Hornets coach Byron Scott, "He took a good shot in the back. It's a good thing Game 7 is on Monday. It gives him a good chance to get well."
Also from that last link...
- Before Game 6 [Scott] visited the trophy case at the AT&T Center where the Spurs' four Larry O'Brien trophies are displayed.
The Spurs, he said, are the team of the decade.
"Since I've been here, that was the one team I looked at," he said, "the one organization that I looked and said, 'This is what we're trying to emulate and trying to get to.'
"Every year you try to get closer and closer, obviously, and so, yeah, I admire what Pop has done with this team and the way Tim Duncan is, on and off the court, and the other pieces that they've brought in here to complement those guys and to develop a championship type team and that's what we're trying to do."
Back to the Horry hit, and Adrian Wojnarowski has fresh reactions over at Yahoo! Sports...
- "I'm not real OK with it," Scott told Yahoo! Sports. "But if I didn't know Robert on a personal level, I'd say that was a dirty shot. Yeah, if I didn't know him the way I know him, I'd say it was a cheap shot."
Yes, he always liked Horry, but no one could convince Scott that West wasn’t a victim of a desperate shot by a desperate champion. The Hornets had been destroyed 99-80 in Game 6 on Thursday night, and still Scott and his players seethed over the blindsided screen Horry had leveled on West and his bad back.
"I also think he understood what he was doing," Scott said. - No one was angrier than Paul, who asked a Hornets official in the locker room: Did you hear that? As Paul walked down the corridors late Thursday, the crowd's voice promised to stay on his mind. "When David got hurt, you're going to chant for Robert Horry like he did a good thing?"
- "I'll just say he caught me with a good shot," West said.
If Horry was trying to knock you out of Monday night, did it work?
"No... no," West assured. "It wasn't that good of a shot."
From the game recap over at 48 Minutes of Hell...
- I don't know how to react to this game. Traditionally, if the Spurs were to blow a team out by 20 in a do-or-die game 6, I'd be ecstatic. I'd be praising our tenacity on the offensive glass. I'd brag about the hailstorm of 3-pointers that just poured on the Hornets. I'd make some dubious claims about "momentum." But this series has just been too schizophrenic to display that level of confidence. Yes, obviously I'm excited. Obviously I think, despite the lopsided victories every home team has recorded this series, that the Spurs can go into New Orleans and take game 7. But I sat there this evening watching this game with a look of passivity and bemusement, rather than exuberance, because, to be honest, I don't know what to expect. How could anyone? This series does not make sense.
Via Tom Planchet: Some dude by the name of Gregg Doyel from CBSCports.com blasts the Hornets Game 6 performance...
- It was the Hornets who swallowed their own tongue.
New Orleans point guard Chris Paul, the playoff MVP entering Thursday night, played with a bizarre chip on his shoulder -- mouthing off to various Spurs, forcing contact all over the court and then flopping like a boated fish. The officials caved in at first, protecting him like he was Michael Jordan or LeBron James, but by the third quarter, Paul was on his own.
Today's must-read comes from Henry Abbot over at TrueHoop, who had a lengthy article yesterday discussing Chris Paul's defense...
- Paul really never bothers Parker's shots. Even when he can close the massive gap, he's sometimes still so far from the ball that he doesn't even bother to put his arms up.
- He just doesn't get out there to bother shots, even against great shooters.
The Spurs have obliged by missing a ton of wide open looks in many of their games. But the open three-pointers are there, and they are there in large part because of a combination of a clog-the-paint defensive philosophy, and Paul's lack of size.
Here he surely hurts his team.
Elias says...
- [This is] the first series in NBA playoff history in which the home team has won each of the first six games by margins of 10-or-more points.
Great analysis as usual from X's and O's, as they break down the Spurs pick-and-roll traps last night (complete with video)...
- They hadn't really trapped Paul all series, and all of a sudden in the 3rd quarter in Game 6 they decide to trap Paul on the PNR and it got the Hornets out of sync. Paul passed out of the trap and his teammates were often dumbfounded as to what to do. The indecision of the other players really hurt the Hornets in that fateful 3rd quarter.
In the Express-News, Mike Monroe notes the significant contributions by Ime Udoka at both ends of the floor last night...
- Udoka's ability to hold Stojakovic in check in the second half allowed Bowen to spent more time defending Hornets point guard Chris Paul. Indeed, Udoka's ability to handle bigger forwards was the biggest reason the Spurs signed him as a free agent last summer.
What nobody expected was that Udoka would become the Spurs' most consistent scorer off the bench in this series after Spurs coach Gregg Popovich put Manu Ginobili back in the starting lineup after Game 2.
In the Times-Picayune, John Reid gives us words from Byron Scott...
- "Tonight wasn't pretty," Coach Byron Scott said. "You have to give them a lot of credit. If I could figure it out how homecourt has helped so much, because the thing is if I could bottle it up and sell it to every team in the league."
John Schuhmann was live blogging again, and found the Hornets lineup to be a little strange at the start of the fourth quarter...
- Interesting decision from Byron Scott: After Chris Paul played all but three seconds of the first three quarters, he began the fourth on the bench, with Mike James on the floor. It was almost as if Scott was giving up when his team was down 15 with 12 minutes to go.
From Marc Stein's recap over at ESPN.com...
- With memories of West's 38-point, 14-rebound, five-block masterpiece in Game 5 still fresh, Spurs coach Gregg Popovich made a concession he had hoped to avoid by starting Fabricio Oberto over Kurt Thomas and installing Duncan as his primary West defender. The result: West never looked comfortable, even in the first two quarters, while Duncan amassed 20 points, 15 boards and a team-best six assists to highlight San Antonio's superior ball sharing and complement the nine triples pumped in by Ginobili (25 points) and Ime Udoka (13).
Said Popovich: "Things went our way tonight, that's for sure."
In the Times-Picayune, Jeff Duncan also has reservations about Coach Scott...
- You've got to love Scott's cool demeanor, but it wouldn't have hurt him to take a "T" for the team during the third-quarter meltdown, when the Hornets were the victims of several questionable calls. His young team clearly lost its cool during that critical stretch, and Scott needed to do something -- anything -- to shake his players out of it.
Also in today's T-P, here's Dan McCarney's words regarding Tim Duncan's defensive job on David West...
- It was simple, fundamental defense that did the job. When West tried to isolate, Duncan moved his feet and kept West from driving to the basket. When West pulled up for a mid-range jumper, Duncan got a hand in his face.
No highlight-reel blocks, no flashy steals. In other words, typical Duncan.
"He played great," Spurs guard Tony Parker said. "We did a much better job guarding him, not giving him anything easy." - "Timmy did a good job defensively," Popovich said. "David didn't shoot it very well tonight. Sometimes that happens. It was a combination of that and Timmy playing well."
Dime magazine on the ESPN coverage of Game 6...
- At one point Jeff Van Gundy said what most people in America seem to think: that Chris Paul is making Tyson Chandler's career. That's such a misconception that needs to be cleared up. Does Chandler get the vast majority of his 8 to 10 points every night via CP setting him up? Definitely, and you can give Paul all the credit in the world for that. But Tyson doesn't make his money by scoring, he makes it by rebounding and playing D. Chris Paul isn't helping Chandler grab 10-12 rebounds a night, nor is he playing any part in Chandler's stellar defense. It's like saying Isiah Thomas or Michael Jordan made Dennis Rodman, when those two weren't directly responsible for any of Worm's mastery on the glass or aggravating defense
In the Express-News, Mike Finger points out that these Spurs have bundles of Game 7 experience and these Hornets have none. He also writes about the foul calls in the third quarter...
- It was no surprise that on Thursday, when things started getting chippy and the season hung in the balance, it was the Spurs who looked like they'd been there before. West would say later that he thought the New Orleans Hornets "lost our cool," and he was including himself in that summation. After he was charged with three fouls in the span of a minute, he reacted like Gregg Popovich getting a delay-of-game warning.
Popovich, for his part, was cooler on this night, and watching his team get a few calls probably helped. But even before the game, he appeared as relaxed as he had all series, and that was at least partly because he knew the pressure of an elimination game was something his team was almost certain to thrive on.
David Gladlow's thoughts at NOLA.com...
- Blame the refs all you want (and a series of awful calls in the third quarter DID seem to change the momentum of the game), but the game of basketball is won by shooting, passing, and defending, and the Hornets did none of the three particularly well in Game 6. The Hornets shot just .413 from the field, surrendered .494 shooting to the Spurs (including .524 from three-point range) and lost the assist battle in a big way, 28-13. You can't win doing that. Period.
David Schexnaydre Jr. also has game notes over at NOLA.com. Here's his take...
- While the loss didn't surprise me, there were a few things that did. I certainly didn't expect the see the worst 4 minute stretch of the season to start the 3rd quarter. I also didn't think I'd see David West let his emotions get the best of him. And while I knew that our players had a penchant for talking to the officials a bit too much, I didn't think I'd see them complaining to the point that I wouldn't have been surprised to see Dirk Nowitzki sitting behind the bench, smiling in admiration. If ever the Hornets youth and inexperience was ever relevent, it was last night.
Quotes from Duncan and Popovich, courtesy of Jeff McDonald...
- "We're happy to go back to their gym, and we think we’re a pretty good road team," Duncan said. "We're going to do our best to make a better game of it."
Popovich, who won his 99th postseason game to match Red Auerbach for fourth on the NBA's all-time list, has known this kind of pressure before.
On the golf course.
"I can visibly see my hands shake when I'm trying to make a two-footer for a Budweiser," Popovich cracked.
Bits and pieces from Elizabeth White's article in the Shreveport Times...
- The aging defending champions and the injured Hornets now get three days of rest before playing Game 7.
"I have confidence," Parker said. "We've won a lot of big games on the road."
Despite the closeness of the series, Game 6, like the five before it, was won by double digits. It was also won, like those before it, in the third quarter, when the Spurs outscored the Hornets 20-12.
"I don't know what to say," Paul said. "That third quarter was ugly." - "Thank God we get to go back to New Orleans for Game 7," Paul said.
Chris Colston's article in USA Today reveals how the players are feeling about Game 7...
- Duncan pooh-poohed his team's playoff experience advantage.
"I'm not giving any credit to it," he said. "We haven't won in their house. We've gotten blown out every time.
"But we believe we're a good road team. We hope to make a game of it."
Point guard Tony Parker agreed. "So far (our experience) hasn't helped us that much," he said. "The games have all been blowouts... If we can't keep it close, our experience can't help us. If we can keep it close, it will help us." - "We'll definitely get some rest," Paul said. "But coming from our locker room, we wish the game was tomorrow.
"We're not going to stress out the next three or four days. We'll watch the Lakers-Jazz game and just sit patiently and wait till Monday." - "The fans know it's 3-3, and they'll be ready," Paul said. "The city will be ready. I'm excited. This is what the NBA is all about. Everybody will be tuned in."
John DeShazier looks ahead to Monday's deciding game...
- The Hornets already have made a name for themselves in this series, now deadlocked at three games each. They already have pushed San Antonio farther than most thought the Spurs could be pushed by a team that has less playoff experience as a unit than the Spurs had last season in their title run.
But Monday night's game is an opportunity for the Hornets to etch their name even deeper in New Orleans basketball lore. The Hornets, who have advanced farther into the postseason than any NBA team in New Orleans, have an excellent chance to top what they've done. So far during the playoffs, they've been unbeatable at home.
Let's finish it out with the usual flurry...
- Video: Stephen A. Smith thinks the Hornets will win game 7.
- the Blowtorch: Inside the mind of Jannero Pargo.
- George Shinn celebrated his birthday on Monday by visiting some newborns and leaving gifts at a couple of hospitals in New Orleans. I felt a little bad for forgetting Georgie's big day, but then I remembered that he's never once called me on my birthday. Lousy BFF he turned out to be.
- BallHype: Video of the "questionable" foul calls that killed the Hornets in the third quarter.
- At The Hive poll: Was Horry's foul intentional?
- Hornets Hype: Horry on a stick and a bitching thread.
- Hat tip to TrueHoop and Ball Don't Lie for a bunch of these links today.
That'll do it. Let's all go outside and play.


24 articulate comments post your own
ticktock6
05/16/08 08:49 AM
But it's raining. :-(
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Mark
05/16/08 09:01 AM
To be honest, I was never a big advocate of 'playoff foul'. What in the world is it, to be honest? If you're going to foul in the regular season, you make damn sure the player doesn't have an easy route to the basket, much less in the playoffs. The hit was definitely dirty (DX jumping just further compounded the hit), because, as I have already stated, you don't set picks with your arms folded and your shoulder into it. Good job on the huge recap, Ron. Haven't read all of it, but I'll get to them after I stop venting on Cheapshot Rob.
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Ron Hitley
05/16/08 09:10 AM
@ ticktock: No problem. We can jump in the puddles. @ Mark: Truth be told, I didn't read most of that stuff either. I just pick out the paragraphs with the biggest words and assume it's interesting.
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Alejandro
05/16/08 09:17 AM
An angry and motivated Chris Paul, Tyson Chandler, and David West for Monday night??? A cool and pissed off Predrag who has most definitely found his playoff rhythm in NOLA Arena? I like our chances!
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Alejandro
05/16/08 09:47 AM
by the way - that yahoo! sports article about the Hornets reaction to the Horry foul was the best piece of Hornets-related sports journalism that I've ever seen. Teddy Kider sucks balls - how can he have season-long access to the Hornets players and staff, write about literally NOTHING else, and still continue to churn out his horrible recycled AP wire crap stories???
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ticktock6
05/16/08 10:08 AM
Alejandro-- I'm right there with you. I always find myself skimming the TP's stories because they're so standard and dull!! Let me at 'em-- shit, I could do better. At least pull some original quotes out of these guys.
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atthehive
05/16/08 10:29 AM
Excellent stuff Ron. This link recap in particular with the Horry stuff was really really good.
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twills
05/16/08 10:31 AM
Fuck Robert Horry. I gave him the benefit of the doubt when he singlehandedly took the Suns out last year. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me... you can't get fooled again...
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interrohater
05/16/08 10:45 AM
Sorry guys. That was absolutely disgusting. Awful. Pitiful. I am ashamed. The San Antonio Spurs crowd has never reacted that way before and I offer no excuses. I wish that I could gather up everyone that was chanting Horry's name and bitch-slap them all. I truly apologize as a Spurs fan, totally unclassy. I do have to point out, however,that Horry was settinga legitimate screen on David West. It's incredibly obvious that Manu was driving to the basket with West trying to funnel him baseline. Watch your little .gif there and you can see that when Horry slides over to set the pick, his eyes are on West, and so he doesn't see Ginobili pass the ball over his head. He looks as if he was picking off West so Manu could have a clear path to the basket. Plus, that animation is in slow motion, all of that happened in less than 2 seconds.Horry has always been known for his hard fouls, and up until last year had never been considered a dirty player. I highly doubt that Horry was acting maliciously. Of course, you are all entitled to your opinions, but it just doesn't seem like a dirty play to me. And also remember that even IF Horry did hurt him intentionally, it's not as if it was a drawn up play that all of the Spurs were in on. Horry is a grown man and can be held accountable for his own actions. @Mark: Arms folded? I understand what you mean if his arms were chest high, but they weren't. Who doesn't set a pick like that? When players set picks, they don't just stand there asif waiting for the bus. They make themselves rigid and lean in because they are still, the other person is moving. Youhave tolean in or you will get knocked on your ass.
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Todd
05/16/08 12:53 PM
If you believe that Horry did this intentionally, didn't Manu have to be in on it? Didn't Horry have to tell Manu, "Dribble to the left and bring West towards me, at the last second, throw a pass just out of his reach to make him vunerable." How many steps did Horry have to take to put himself in the perfect position to hurt West? I don't see any. If he is an evil genius, he must be either psychic or have mind control over West. If Manu keeps the ball, wouldn't Westbedecellerating and muchless likely to be hurt? If he did it on purpose, the decision had to be made somewhere around the time West left his feet. If that is the case, I am extremely impressed that anyone can process information that fast. One final note ... If Horry would not have leaned into the pick, he would have been knocked on his ass and everyone would be calling him a flopper.
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Alejandro
05/16/08 12:57 PM
@Twills : Thanks for the subtle reminder that we have a retard as our President. I generally like to be reminded of this fact at least 4 to 5 times per week.
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Spurs08
05/16/08 01:27 PM
I'm a diehard spurs fan and sometimes i don't know what horry is thinking. I don't think he meant to do it but i think right now he is just reckless and feels whatever happens, happens but i don't think it was planned.
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Emir lidan
05/16/08 03:20 PM
ima say we havesomeone take out duncan on monday and see how those fuckers like it but seriously i really think he should be suspended for that cheap shot he knew what he was doing he might not admit that it was a intentional cheap shot but anyone who has ever played a sport in there life can piont one out when they see it
#13
saltandcarbon
05/16/08 04:44 PM
Manu had stopped heading into the lane and changed direction to the baselinewell before DWest jumped. Horry could see Manu change direction. It wasn't a legitimate pick - it was an intentional hit. I've done it to guys behind the play myself, meaning to throw them off or make them think twice. But never dropping the shoulder in. Sure, you need to brace yourself to take the contact from a pick, but not only was this not a legitimate pick, you NEVER EVER need to drop the shoulder in to 'brace yourself'. And YES, Horry did think that fast. In that split second he calculated a chance to rough up a key player of the Hornets. Did he mean to get West that hard? Maybe not. But he sure as shit meant to get him. That's all that play was about. And of course it wasn't a set play - it was just what Horry as a player thinks to do when he sees an opposing player is vulnerable. A dirty, non-basketball play. I'm ashamed that Ipraised Horry's record breakingaccomplishment the other day.He is disgraceful.
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kalone
05/16/08 04:49 PM
just saying... it doesn't look like horry's shoulder made any contact with west. he looks to be pretty flat.
#15
mW
05/16/08 05:09 PM
I planned on just simply typing "Hornets in 7." And leaving it at that... .... ...fuck it, I just erased my umpteenth explanation of how crazy it is to defend Horry. Instead, I'll just say, Spurs fans, enjoy watching from home where you will have the luxury to change the channel. I'll be in the Arena savoring the fireworks and confetti that falls over our most successful season ever as you guys hang your heads with the shame of defeat.
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Mark
05/16/08 05:17 PM
interrohater, first of all, it's unnecessary to apologize on behalf of the Spurs fans. Unless you were involved in chanting Horry, then you're not guilty. And by arms folded, I mean arms folded. I'm not sure what you're referring to. It's not that he cross-checked DX, because he didn't. He held his arms in a position to transfer impact back towards DWest. Refer to physics and force being transferred through various points of impact if you don't know what I'm talking about. Also, I've already said this on a different post, but I'll remind you on how to set picks: 1) As the off-man, you set your feet on the ground and slightly bend your knees for shock 2) Position upper body and GIRD YOUR LOINS. In no way should you be putting your arms in a position to repel energy back into the other player under a legitimate pick. And for the rest of you who don't believe in him lowering his shoulder and leaning into the play, watch that gif and watch his right shoulder push out and left shoulder lowered. It's really not that hard.
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john
05/16/08 09:38 PM
I love these Spurs fans saying that the people in the crowd chanting"Horry, Horry"are not representative of Spurs fans. If that's so, then why was the chant so deafening that you could hear itclearly overthe announcers on TV. When a network puts a game onTV, theydampen the crowd noise, so u can hear the announcers better. Almost everyone in that whole fooking building was chanting his name.It was as loud as the "Defense, Defense" chant. This is no different than when Michael Irvin looked like he broke his neck andyou heard a huge cheer from all the PhiladelphiaEagles fans.ThisIS representative of all the Spurs fans, yourselves included to those who post here and apologize. Screwthe Spursand their classless fans.
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Spurs Fan
05/17/08 05:23 AM
This is so damn typical. I like the Hornets, but try not to become the Phoenix Suns. This has been going on all series long both ways. Tyson did it to Parker when he was back pedaling guarding Paul and did we hear all of this crying and whining. No. Your fans booed when Parker and Bowen were on the floor after hard fouls. Whats the difference. Yeah its not cool, but its the nature of the beast. I understand this is a Hornets site and most of these people see what they want to see. And its alright for your team and fans to do it, but we can't. Fact is West wasn't playing worth a crap anyways. After scoring 38 on the Spurs in game 5 you bet they are going to be rough with him. Same as Parker did in game 4 and then he was physically abused in game 5. No tears from us, this is the playoffs and thats what happens. I don't see why you are acting as though you lost the series. Hes going to play Monday. You have Home court where you have blown out the Spurs every game. You have the capabilities of somehow magically shrinking the the basket after the second half with your voodoo. Ya'll aren't the ones who should be worried. I understand that if you lose (which I hope), this is going to be your excuse, but come on people. The only way I think the Spurs can win in New Orleans is if they put Duncan on West. Duncan is a first team all-defensive player and would be able to handle him pending foul trouble because the Hornets will get the calls. I think this was Coach Pop's plan to wait till the end of the series to do this. We'll see how it turns out.
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Diane
05/17/08 06:10 AM
Thanks Ron for all that good stuff. Monday is my birthday and all I want is 9 more wins. But which ever way it goes its been a great season. And thank you Lakers.
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ticktock6
05/17/08 06:57 AM
@ Spurs Fan, if you'd like a good explanation of how the Tyson play was NOTHING like the Cheap Shot Rob play, go over to the Big Easy Buzz Blog, at https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=293661374894655128&postID=7140701793961326319. Or you could just keep making generalizations. It's easy to pick on other teams' fans when you have won 4 championships in 9 or 10 years. Face it, no one likes to lose, even those of us who never step on the court. But if any of us accepted losing, we'd be no better than the players who do, like the Knicks. And nobody wants to be the Knicks.
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Mark
05/17/08 08:13 AM
Spurs fan, it sounds as if you're becoming increasingly frustrated upon our comments. Keep in mind this is a Hornets-based blog, and as Hornets fans, we are biased. If you want Spurs recognition, please go to google.com, and search for a Spurs blog of your choice. But I feel I should reiterate upon setting picks.C.F.R.M. set a blindsighted pick, true, but did not lower his shoulder, nor use his arms to push off TP. If he were to intentionally hit TP, he would have to have bent over significantly in order to draw the contact.
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Nathan
05/17/08 11:09 AM
id just like to say that horry did try and put a pick to try and take a player or 2 out of the play, he would of done the same pick to anyone. but was it really as intentional as anyone thinks?...i doubt that horry would of predicted that west would of jumped into him. run into him? a good possibility. which his shoulders wouldnt of been near his back. also does everyone seems to think horry had eternity to decide to lower his shoulder and pin point west in the back? replays really make people think that these guys had all day to react to it. in the 'real time' play he only had enough time to put up a pick and brace for a 240lb player who he possibly thought would follow manu to the hoop. also with setting picks, people go into different positions and dont necessarily protect their crotch area, covering your crotch area really only happens in the arc area because the players tend to be smaller and in different defensive position, they would be squatting lower with their arms and legs out. in a lower post area, youre more likely to hold your arms higher in order to give yourself room because its more body to body contact. didnt west aggravate his back with a simple post move the previous game? a simple pick could do the same.
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Mark
05/17/08 11:44 AM
Nathan, I'm assuming you're referring to me regarding setting picks because I'm the only one who really is adamant on the unorthodox presentation of the pick. You are, in fact, correct about the high post screen, but if you watch the replay, it wasn't a screen for Ginobili. The room Horry left between the double (DX was late, per the usual of our horrendous rotation) and and warranted no 'arms higher in order to give yourself room'. It was a blindsight cheapshot, with improper technique. To re-re-reiterate, intentional? Ask Horry. Dirty? Yes.
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