This game was actually not in keeping with the rest of the series. Yes, I know the final score looks the same, and yes, I know it seems like the Hornets had one big meltdown in the third and that cost us the game, but it's actually not an accurate representation of what happened. Unlike the previous games, both sides had multiple series of errors through the first and second quarters. The Hornets had two 7-posession sets that netted them nothing, and the Spurs had a six and an eight posession set that netted them two total points. As I had mentioned earlier, that's unusual for the series - both teams were obviously really focused on the defensive end.
In the third, yes, the Hornets had a meltdown, but it wasn't when everyone thought it was. That whole exchange where the Hornets were hit with five personals and a technical in the third? It resulted in a whopping two points for the Spurs. Two. We were down 7 at the end of it. The Meltdown occured with 4:43 to go: Peja miss, Duncan block, West miss, Paul miss, Pargo miss, West miss, Pargo miss, Udoka block, Paul miss. Nine posessions. No points. Game.
I saw several writers - particularly San Antonio beat writers, who acted like Duncan had just shut West down on defense, putting on a clinic of fundamental defense. Really? Go watch the tape. Duncan's incredible defense consisted of five plays where he was within five feet of David West. The rest of the time, he gave West wide open shots. West didn't hit them. That's not stellar defense, that's gambling on West's injury and the inconstistent nature of the jumpshot.
One other thing about West. Yes, he only shot 4-14. Guess what? That's better than he's shot in two other games in this series. Game 2: 2-11. Game 4: 4-15. In between he's shot 39-67, or 58%. Like I said before, his good games alternate with his bad games. Game 7 will be interesting to watch.
Something I want to rip the pundits about. As soon as I see the words "The young Hornets lost their composure", I stop reading, because the writer is just regurgitating incorrect facts. Let me count the ways:
- The Hornets starting five averages 27.4 years of age. The Lakers and Celtics average 28, Jazz 25, Cavaliers 27, and Magic 26. The Pistons and Spurs average 31. So the average age of all starters in the Conference Semi-Finals is 28. Every member of this Hornets team is a veteran NBA player.
- Go pick a team in the playoffs. Any team. Hit them with 5 personals in a row, three of them offensive, and two on fast breaks that would have put the game in reach, and see how many of those teams don't get hit with a technical afterwards. Does anyone think that the Lakers(Kobe, Gasol, Phil), Pistons(Everyone), Jazz(Sloan), Celtics(Garnett, Pierce, Doc), Magic(Turkoglu, Van Gundy), or Spurs(Pop, Duncan-glare) wouldn't get one? I thought not.
- Why is it that when the Hornets are blown out it is because they "lost their composure"? What's the excuse for the three 20-point losses the Spurs have suffered? They were so composed they didn't play hard? It has nothing to do with composure. It has to do with stellar defense by both teams and nearly mistake-free offensive basketball. When an analyst says a team lost a game because it lost its composure - they're just being lazy, and aren't taking the time to point out what a defense was doing to frustrate an offensive set. A player getting thrown out? That's losing composure.
And lastly, I haven't said anything about Horry's foul yet. To me, it's a lot like Jason Kidd's foul on Pargo from the Dallas series. Both Kidd and Horry determined they were going to deliver a message with a hard foul, But since the NBA is played at such a fast speed, both fouls ended up being delivered after each player went airborne - resulting in dangerous fouls that could and did lead to injury.
It's like the difference between Murder 1 - Premeditated Murder and Manslaughter - Depraved Indifference. Kidd and Horry didn't set out to injure anyone, they just delivered fouls that had the potential to injure someone and were indifferent to the danger that put the other player in.
At least I'd like to think they were indifferent. Both probably got satisfaction out of it. The Spurs fans certainly did.


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Matt
05/17/08 09:40 AM
Awesome recap! Thanks! :)
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ticktock6
05/17/08 12:00 PM
That post really addresses a lot of issues I had with media coverage of the "young" Hornets too. Thanks for laying it out!
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mW
05/17/08 12:16 PM
Ryan. Ryan. It's nice to see the intelligent analysis. Your comment about pundits being "lazy" is so spot on. Thanks, man. I'm so sick of the generalizations being spouted by the national media.
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Ron Hitley
05/17/08 12:33 PM
Yeah, completely agreed on the "lazy analysts." I still find it hard sometimes to figure out exactly what the Hornets are doing wrong or right out there, and I've been watching them all season!! These analysts come along and try to sound like they've watched, re-watched and broken down every play the team has made since November, but really they're just throwing out the generalizations like everybody else. It's a shame that these journalists get paid the big bucks when there's so many good bloggers out there giving better analysis for free.
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Mo
05/17/08 01:56 PM
Good stuff Ryan.
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ticktock6
05/17/08 01:59 PM
I never watched basketball until November. Like, not at all. So when I'm watching ESPN or TNT and I make an observation, only to hear the announcers make the same observations ages later, with no analysis added, to me that is the definition of lazy on their part. If it's something that I, as a fairly uninformed fan, already knew, then what exactly are they adding to my viewing experience? Now I, unlike them, actually have watched more than 5 Hornets games this season, so maybe that's unfair. Then again, I don't get paid to provide meaningful analysis instead of making the same obvious/shallow point over and over.
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gerryv
05/17/08 02:16 PM
At times some players don't know when to shoot or when to pass. The game is emotional so composure plays a role for some. A sudden change of a defense. Yes defense plays a role but at times defense + lack of poise and preparation can = loss of coolness. Anything that deals with emotion has to include composure.As the pressure escalates in the playoffs a player allowing himself to become distracted is a problem GV
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mW
05/17/08 02:27 PM
@ gerryV: I get what you're saying, but that's not something necessarily that is a product of the playoffs. I can't speak for every team, but over the course of the year, us Hornets fans have questioned many players, from David West, to Julian Wright, who doubt their shot and hesitate when they're holding the rock. And as far as emotion goes, with the West being so tight this year, I think emotions have been there all year too. We've seen them boil over several times this year in Nola. Game 6 is just one example of that, and not necessarily unique to the Playoffs.. And as Ryan pointed out, we're not the only young team out there, and plenty of "seasoned' teams have lost their composure all year, and even in the Playoffs. Hell, Rasheed Wallace is a seasoned champion no less, and he'll lose his composure if the a/c vents in the arena blow the wrong way. I think this goes to what both Ron/Ryan here and the guys over at AtTheHive have been saying all year, let's talk about basketball reasons. Give us some Xs and Os. Some numbers. Some stats. Tell us, for example, why the the Spurs will win. Give us basketball reasons. As a blogger myself, who does not pretend to offer these things, but rather just a random take on the game, I really appreciate the hard work all the people at both these sites do. It's what makes me want to go back, read, and comment, time and time again. I think with all the Playoffs trash talk, a lot of fans lose perspective. But during the regular season, you'd often see opposing fans here and appreciating the work done.
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Luke
05/17/08 03:06 PM
Really nice summary. I'm a Spurs fan, but I can't wait until Totally Shot Rob is out of the league.
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Di Salvo
05/17/08 04:10 PM
Nice work Ryan, I've been a massive fan of this team ever since Glen Rice was acquired 12 years back and since those days up until now I still always find that whether it be the media or a general NBA fan, Hornets have to prove that they are solid contenders and not a joke. If they have a rough season it's usually due to their best players being injured. To Ron, I've been thinking the exact same thing for months now since I've been reading these blogs. I don't understand how multiple journalists get paid x amount of bucks just to repeat the same generic assumptions on the hornets when you have guys like yourselves spending as much time as you can manage in your free time writing about interesting statistics and detailed recaps. For an Australian fan like me, it's essential to have a blog like this.
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kalone
05/17/08 04:13 PM
how long after the series of fouls -- which were justified -- until the hornets had nine scoreless possessions?
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Bill Rowe
05/17/08 04:31 PM
I really get confused when I watch a game and then read about the game. You are right Ryan. The reporters are obviously watching the dancers not the players. Loved your comments. As a veteran season ticketholder, I never agree with the media analysis. They just lately have admitted CP3 might be the real deal.
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Jon
05/17/08 04:52 PM
I find it funny that Ryan discredits Duncan's D on West. That's the first time Duncan guarded West this series and it was obvious it really kept West out of his comfort zone. Of course, Duncan is a 1st All Defensive player so this doesn't surprise me. It just surprises that Pop waited so long to do it. I've noticed a lot of Hornets fans complaining about the media at this site and serveral others. Kinda of funny considering all the love CP3 getsfrom allthe media types. Kind of annoying hearing that every other second ya know? I pray that the refs keep their hands off game seven and let the players decide it. I think everyone can agree with that yes?
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Jon
05/17/08 04:54 PM
Very cool site by the way. I'm not a Hornets fan but I still find this site very informative.
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Ryan
05/17/08 05:09 PM
@Gerry V - I probably came down a little hard on using composure as reasoning for a loss. There are times when players do lose their composure and let the gameget out of hand. However -every loss against the Spurs has been followed with articles about how the Hornets lost their composureand lost the game. The Hornetscan get frustrated -but it only effects them forthree or four posessions. I've seen the same thing with Dallas - with the Spurs - with the Celtics. Not once in these playoffs has how the Hornets reacted to bad calls or frustrating defense made them lose a game. @kalone - the Hornets missed one more shot, and thenscored on4 of the next5 posessions(though so did the Spurs). San Antonio called a time out, and the Hornets inserted Pargo. I don't necessarily blame him for it, but that's when we fell apart. @Jon - I don't credit Duncan's defense because Duncan rarely extended it to West. When he took West during those five posessions they did close, Westmissed on three of them. But I can't give him credit for allowing West to shoot open jumpers.If West had hit those jumpers, then Duncan would have closed, sure, but trying to credit Duncan with shutting West down by giving him 17-foot jumpshots(which he loves) doesn't make sense. Thanks for all the kind comments.
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Abdul
05/17/08 06:24 PM
Ryan, keep up the good job buddy, and I pray to god to see the Hornets in the Western Conference Finals and eventually the Finals because I believe we have the talent to rip the Celts or the Pistons a new one. I wanna see Peja step up to the plate and show the Spurs what hes really of . Ron I like your recaps too you two have been awesome. Peace (Get Well D-Wezzy)
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John
05/18/08 03:19 AM
Alright, I'll just get it out of the way: I'm a Spurs fan, so I'm (more than) a little biased. And maybe it's a bit late to open up the Horry foul issue again, and I'm sure I'm not going to say anything completely new and original. But I just gotta throw my opinions out there: 1) First and foremost, I hope you'll accept one more apology from a Spurs fan who was appalled that the fans at the game chanted for Horry after West went down. I was at the game, and I felt ashamed for our team and our city. Sorry. 2) That said, can someone explain to me exactly how Horry's foul was that much worse than Chandler's lean-in back-pick on Parker in Game 5. It looked to me that, just like you say for Horry, Chandler "determined they were going to deliver a message with a hard foul." The only differences that I saw on the plays was that Parker got up and West didn't. Now you can argue "but Horry knew about West's injury, he should've known what would happen when he hit there," but... 3) Is it Horry's responsibility to change how he plays because of an injury to an opposing player? I mean, if Tim Duncan had an injured back, would you really want Byron Scott to tell Tyson Chandler, "hey, I know you should set a back-screen on Duncan to open up lanes to the basket, but since he's hurt, give him a break"? It's unfortunate that West got hurt, but it's not the Spurs' responsibility to compensate for a Hornets' injury. And if you really think Horry was trying to hurt West with that foul, then you just don't know basketball- a back screen is the correct play there to open a path to the basket (only obviously it shouldn't be a moving screen); he would have delivered the same pick to any player on any team in that situation, and so would Tyson Chandler or David West himself. If the Hornets were so worried about West being injured, why was he the only starter on the court in the 4th quarter of a blowout. Why didn't one of his teammates give him a heads up that a screen was coming? Anyways, that's my take; I agree that Horry's foul was a bit hard, and hence the offensive foul, but it was nothing special or dirty, no worse than say Chandler's foul on Tony. If West had gotten up, or if this was any team other than the Spurs, who the media seem to love to vilify, this would be a total non-issue. Once again, very nice site, and a great place to get the opposing view on the series. Here's hoping we get one competitive game out of this series!
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Ryan
05/18/08 09:00 AM
The difference is who is delivering the foul. If Tim Duncan had a bad back and the Hornets sent Ryan Bowen out on the floor andRyan then delivered a blind back screen aimed at Duncan's injured back<em>after</em> the game was well in hand, there is no denyingthere would be Spurs fans screaming bloody murder. It's not the foul - it's the fact that it was a useless scrub that delivered it against a team's star.
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John
05/18/08 10:21 AM
Heh well in that case, please inform Pop that Horry's officially a useless scrub; for some reason he still clings to thinking that we've got the Horry of 2005 on our team. The less minutes Rob gets and the more Kurt Thomas and Fab get, the better as far as I'm concerned. But I'll say once again- if the game was well in hand, what is West doing out there in the first place? Byron Scott had already half-surrendered by sending out 4 reserves to start the 4th quarter, so why was the lone starter sent out there the one he knew was injured? Honestly, if the game was so out of hand that Ryan Bowen was in the game, it'd be Pop's own fault that he didn't pull our guys for garbage time. And furthermore, regardless of whether or not he is a scrub at this point in his career, Pop is probably going to keep playing Horry like he was a rotation player; because of that, those minutes in garbage time are a chance for Horry to play himself back into shape. In order to get into playing shape, you gotta treat those minutes as if they were meaningful, so he's got to go full-speed, and that means delivering good, solid screens. Of course it's unfortunate that the screen wound up being above and beyond "good and solid," but Horry was really just trying to get himself into the rhythm of playing in this series, not hurt anyone. While the media loves pointing at his hip-check on Nash last year, they seem content to just forget about the 14 years before that he played without incident; now after one play, he's a "known dirty player?"
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