First off, if you haven't read it, go read Ron's last post about his Memories of the season. If you don't, this post will explode. Seriously. Be afraid. Now, on to the post-season:
The first step of any off-season is the Draft. As a long-time lover of the draft and the evaluation process that leads up to it, I've spent some time in the past talking about it. Last night was the Draft Lottery, where the League determines whom amongst the 14 teams that missed the playoffs would gets the top picks of the Draft.(Chicago won it, with only a 1.7% chance of getting it) Happily, the Hornets are not in the lottery. Sadly, that means we probably aren't likely to get much in the draft. At my old blog, I generated two posts regarding the draft, and I'm going to re-introduce them here over the next few days before moving on to evaluating the team for the offseason. I apologize if you've read it before.
An Evaluation of Draft Picks and Their Value
How is this useful? The Hornets will own the 27th pick of the draft this year. With this information we can determine if its worth keeping, what we should expect to get in return for it should we trade it, and what should we expect to get if we use it.
To determine the value of a pick, I determined an overall ranking based loosely on the Wages of Wins Win Score(My favorite player eval score) and applied it to all the players who have been taken in the drafts since 1984. I also cut off my evaluation of players after 2005 since most players don't reach their true level of play until their third season. Finally I jammed those numbers into a simple Grade ranking. Below is what each grade means, and I give an example player the Hornets drafted.
- N/A - the player never logged an NBA minute. (Tim Pickett, Andrew Betts)
- F - The player never developed and earned only minor garbage time minutes. (Kirk Haston, Marcus Vinicius)
- D - A substitute - possibly in the rotation, but a 7th or 8th man at best.(Lee Nailon, man we had him STARTING?)
- C - A fringe starter, good backup.(Ricky Davis, JR Smith)
- B - A good starter (David West, Jamaal Magloire)
- A - A star(Baron Davis, Chris Paul)
Interestingly enough, when I was doing my analysis, the picks fell rather logically into groups based on their average rating so I’ve collated those groups in the below table and then determined the % chance of receiving each classification of player.
| Pick(s) | A | B | C | D | F | N/A | Average |
| 1st | 57% | 14% | 19% | 5% | 5% | 0% | B |
| 2-6 | 20% | 24% | 27% | 19% | 8% | 1% | C |
| 7-11 | 16% | 13% | 25% | 30% | 15% | 0% | C- |
| 12-19 | 7% | 10% | 23% | 23% | 36% | 1% | D+ |
| 20-28 | 5% | 6% | 18% | 30% | 37% | 5% | D |
| 29-38 | 1% | 4% | 10% | 28% | 40% | 17% | D- |
| After 38 | 1% | 1% | 1% | 17% | 29% | 43% | F |
So what does this tell us? The 1st pick is worth a lot more than any other pick, period. With the 1st pick of the draft, there is a 70% chance to land a major player. As soon as the pick drops to any of the spots between 2nd and 6th, the team becomes just as likely to get a 6th man as they are to get a star. The team's odds of getting a bust has also now increased to 28%. That's really significant: One out of every four players taken 2 through 6 in the draft is likely to be a bust. That means at least one(and maybe 2) of the following players taken in last year’s draft will probably never pan out: Kevin Durant, Al Horford, Mike Conley, Jeff Green, Yi Jianlin.
I should also note there is no significant difference between picking 2nd and picking 6th. The players taken in those spots produce almost equally in the NBA.
The next group are Picks 7-11. As you can see, the odds of picking up a starting-caliber player or better has dropped to less than one in three. Still, with one of these picks, there is a great chance of landing a useful player(54%), and better than a 6% chance you'll get a star.
Picks 12-19 are where the numbers start bottoming out. While still likely to land a rotation player, the chance of getting a star is small. You are also more likely to get a total bust(37%) than you are to get a starter.(17%)
20-28 continues the trend, with more players falling into the grades D and F(67%) though it is still possible to land a good player. The odds are that one of the players picked in this range will at least be a starter, and another one will land in a rotation. The rest? Not so good.
Picks 29 through 38 are essentially the last chance to get anyone worth drafting. Almost half the players taken here will stick with a team for a couple years and a rare few will pan out and be good.(5%) The bad news is a team is more likely(17%) to have the draft pick never play an NBA minute than become a valuable contributer to the team.(15%)
Players taken after 38 are pretty much throw-aways. Almost half will never play in the NBA, and a bare 2% will ever be considered good. If the team digs up a rotation sub, they've beaten the odds.


22 articulate comments post your own
Mark
05/21/08 07:13 AM
I'm not going to lie, this is amazing. How'd you generate these statistics? But just from eyeballing, I tend to see that the top 10 picks (below 1, because they have the highest expectations) tend to be the most consistent and solid. Plus after 10, it just starts to get 'ehhhh' with a few players I've never remembered seeing. But again, just opinion here.
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ticktock6
05/21/08 07:22 AM
David West was after #10. Tony Parker was a #28. So I guess the moral is the odds go down a lot but you never know...
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Ryan Schwan
05/21/08 07:24 AM
You can download player career stats from Basketball-reference.com. I downloaded all the picks from the drafts from 1990-2005 and then combined the two lists so I had the career stats produced by each player and was able to evaluate them individually usingWin Score.Once I knew how well each player did, I could look atthe averageranking of all players taken first overall, 2nd overall, etc. It's a huge excel sheet. 12 tabs. I love numbers.
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Ryan Schwan
05/21/08 07:27 AM
True ticktock. Picking 18th gives you a 17% chance to get a David West-type or better player. Basically, I built this chart to help me decide what I think we should do with the 27th pick - and the second round pick we'll get. I'm laying the groundwork for my off-season moves series of posts that no one will pay attention to and will mostly be random speculation and wishing. Yay.
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Ron Hitley
05/21/08 07:43 AM
This is indeed amazing stuff. I'm glad I have you on board to crunch the numbers, Ryan, because my brain would be so pissed at me if I tried to do this. And I bet the Lakers regret winning that Western Conference title now. They'll be picking up our scraps with the 28th pick. Losers.
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Matt
05/21/08 08:51 AM
@Ron: Everything between the words 'Lakers' and 'losers' is superfluous. Just sayin.
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ticktock6
05/21/08 09:05 AM
Ryan-- I'm interested in offseason moves. But I know nothing. So my posts will be of the not-entirely-helpful and unbacked-up-by-stats variety. I'm sure yours will be great though!
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Dingo
05/21/08 09:42 AM
Hey guys, just wanted to say you've got a great site here. I found it to be a must-read during the Spurs-Hornets series. Btw, Manu Ginobili was drafted by the Spurs in the 2nd round (28th pick, 57th overall). Good luck in the draft. See you guys next year. Go Spurs!
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Ryan Schwan
05/21/08 09:59 AM
Yup, Manu is the player who put the 1% in the'A'slot for picks 39 and on. I'd have to check, but I don't think there were any other 'A' players taken that late.
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Ryan Schwan
05/21/08 10:06 AM
Nope - I'm wrong. Besides Ginobili, Anthony Mason was selected 53rd in 1988, Jeff Hornacek was selected 46th in 1986, and Michael Redd 43rd in 2000. All of them just qualify as 'A' players.
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Juff
05/21/08 10:10 AM
nice job, you freak, mathematically ;) but under Scott rookies hardly play up to their potential. just imagine to have had dallas' Bass against the spurs ...
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twills
05/21/08 12:29 PM
Just checked a mock draft and they had us taking Brandon Rush at 27 with Joey Dorsey still on the board. I think either of these guys would be smart picks.
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Mark
05/21/08 04:51 PM
Don't forget the undrafted ones! Benny Wallace, Bruce 'Lee' Bowen, and Raja Bell are top notch. Add to that (former and present) Hornets players like Darrell Armstrong, David Wesley, Mike James, and Jannero 'The Hobbit' Pargo. I say throw away the draft pick for just plain luck. Man, management would THAT, now wouldn't they?
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Mikey
05/22/08 04:34 AM
Ryan, has the D-League had any affect on these numbers in recent years? As we all know, nothing takes the place game-time experience. The D-League gives those fringe players that experience. I would venture to guess that we haven't seen the full impact of the D-League as of yet, although the league did have a breakout year this year.
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Adam Rodney
05/22/08 05:30 AM
Speaking of Michael Redd being selected 43rd in 2000, Is it a posibility for us to get Redd? We really needto sure up our 2 spot? I know he is expensive, but how could the senario playout? - Anyone? -Atta-boy
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Ryan Schwan
05/22/08 07:30 AM
The only way to get Redd would be to trade away Peja or Tyson to do so. I'll have to look at the situation more about a Peja-Redd trade.(this is actually a scenario I thought of too) Trading Tyson would be stupid.
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Jason
05/22/08 07:53 AM
Ryan - Peja for Redd passes the ESPN trade machine test, but I don't see why the Bucks would do it. Redd is 2 years younger, under contract for the same amount of time, and only makes $3M per more. If the Bucks are looking to salary dump, a possible scenario would be Redd (2 years left + an $18Mplayeroption in 2011 that he'll most certainly take) for Rasual (3.6, 2 years left), James (1 year at $6m plus a $6.4m player option in 2010), and make up the balance by doing a sign-and-trade with Bonzi or Ely for 1-2 years at 2-3 million per? Would the Bucks be that desperate to shed salary in anticipation of the 2010 free agent class?
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Ron Hitley
05/22/08 07:57 AM
@ Jason: I doubt they'd be that desperate. Although the Lakers managed to fleece Gasol from the Grizzlies so anything's possible. I'd like to see us keep the team together though. I like our starting five, and I think JuJu will develop into a major contributor next season. I think Bower will focus on strengthening the bench, and leave the rest to simmer.
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Jason
05/22/08 08:23 AM
Provided Peja's health was not an exception, I'd like to keep the core together as well. I was just brainstorming ways that a Redd deal would work. We really don't have any trade chips that we can cash in. Which makes sense, because this team really just needs to get older and wiser. Maturity and development out of Julian and Hilton will go along way towards assembling a legit 8-man rotation. I sure hope Pargo can return to his mid-season form. What direction do you see us going in the draft? I think getting a shooter with range is a must, given what went down in the playoffs.
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Ryan Schwan
05/22/08 08:37 AM
That's where I'm going next, Jason. I was just making a list of possible trades/moves that I should look at - off the top of my head I can't think of a trade for Redd using Peja that wouldn't require another sweetener - and I'm not even sure if it's a trade I'd want to do in a straight-up situation. I'll be putting my thoughts together over the next couple weeks about what I think should/will happen in the off-season. Of course, I'll probably be dead wrong, but it's fun to speculate.
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Ryan Schwan
05/22/08 08:39 AM
Hmm - somehow I missed your post earlier, Mikey. Honestly, I have no way of estimating the effect of the D-league at this point. My initial inclination is that it would not have an impact, because there have always been minor leagues for the NBA - the CBA, ABA and European leagues. I'm not convinced the quality of competition in the D-League is better than the CBA and ABA - and I know that the quality in Europe is better right now.
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mW
05/23/08 03:35 PM
I'm confused as to why people would the Hornets want to trade Peja? Most champion teams have had a guy that can kill from the perimeter. Sure he's expensive, but we would never have won 56 games in the regular season without him. On a side note, I believe, Ron, that the Lakers actually fucked the Grizzlies by coming in first, right? Their 2008 1st round pick went in the Gasol trade. (One more instance of how that franchise has gotten the shaft. With the worst record last year, they picked fourth. In 2002, it came down to them and Houston for the #1 pick. They got #2. Their draft pick had been traded to Detroit unless it was the first pick. They could have had Yao Ming. Instead they lost the pick altogether. Makes being a Hornets fan seem easy.)
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