So here's the most important observation I have about the Olympic game - and it may be the reason why our team seems to really struggle in the half court:
When you watch the other teams, who are experienced with international ball, they initiate their offensive sets about six to eight feet back from the three point line. Their wing shooters hover a good three to four feet back from the line.
The US, however, like good NBA players, initiate their offense at - or a few feet behind - the three point line. Their wings toe it. This is especially the case with slash-minded players like Anthony, Wade, James, and Bryant.
In the NBA, this is fine - the wider arc of the 3-point line adds another 6 feet to the space within it, giving penetrators more room to operate, and generating greater spacing. But the international arc is so much shorter, when a player penetrates, the help defense has three or four fewer feet to cover to collapse on them. Watching the games - at times it does seem amazing how quickly the defenses will jam penetration and attack post players.
When Redd is on the floor - he actually sits where the normal three-point line is - and that does help the spacing and our half court offense. Deron Willams and Paul are also adept at making their moves well outside the three-point line - probably because as Point Guards, they are a little more used to making moves further out, using as much floor as they can to create space on their defender.
Hopefully, they'll figure that out. It would help Howard greatly.
Other observations, and I will warn you - the undisciplined nature of the US Olympic team actually makes me kinda grumpy to watch. Weird.
- This team ballhawks too damn much. All of em. A team can support one ballhawk. Maybe two. But when all of the guys are chasing the ball, there are too many open shots. I still don't think we're going to lose, but some disciplined team is going to make us pay and keep it close.
- That team will be Spain. One of the most missed stories of the season was the fact that there were two point guards playing significant minutes who were putting up insane assist to turnover ratios. Those two players were Chris Paul and Jose Calderon. Calderon and Navarro are not going to wilt under US ballhandling pressure. Calderon, in fact, makes fewer mistakes than Paul does with the ball. If the US continues to rely on forced turnovers, it's going to be Jose and Spain that makes them sweat (not to mention the rest of the team is solid).
- Oh Wow! Lots of people are shocked that Dwayne Wade is great when healthy! Really? Were the 2006 Finals really that long ago?
- Chris Paul and Deron Williams are leading the team in minutes. I don't know how to take that. Is Coach K recognizing they are both way better than Jason Kidd - or is he just trying to figure out which one will be the primary backup when the real games start?
- Jason Kidd was terrible in the first two games, solid against Lithuania. I'll stop talking about Kidd now . . .
- . . . and talk about Carmelo Anthony. I understand that Carmelo is a special scorer. He's got nice range, solid face-up Post game, but let's get one thing straight. The announcers keep saying he's the best international player the US has - and that he causes so many mismatches at the Power Forward Position, blah, blah, blah. Look, the US team's biggest weakness is it's undersized and can't control the boards. It's kinda sad seeing how easily Lithuania and Turkey overpowered us for a lot of those boards. Carmelo can score - but if he can't rebound(and he doesn't), he's not the best the US can offer at the PF position. In fact, he's a bit of a detriment.
And since this is a Hornets site:
Chris Paul has averaged the most minutes on the team. In my opinion the offense runs much, much smoother when he is on the floor bringing up the ball, though part of that is because Deron Williams is also usually on the floor. Those two guys play off each other very, very well.
Paul's been deadly on the drive, as usual, but he rarely goes to the hoop, instead preferring to feed other players. Sometimes he tries a little too hard to feed them the ball - and he's tried to run pick and rolls with Bosh but clearly doesn't have the same chemistry with Bosh that he and West have. He did get a nice dunk against Lithuania that got the entire bench up and shouting for him. I guess people are still surprised he can get up that high.
Paul's three point shot has been spotty - as usual. His defense has been pesky enough that he's drawn a couple charges because the other team's players were pushing him to get him to back off.
Oh - the much repeated claim that Paul can't handle International ball because international gaurds are too strong for him? Haven't seen it yet. He's pretty much able to do what he always does.
[UPDATE] ESPN is now reporting that Chris Paul took over in the starting line up for Kidd against Russia. Interesting - but hardly surprising.


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atthehive
08/03/08 12:52 PM
ESPN's just overhyping things as usual. JKidd played only 4-5 minutes in the second half of each of the first 3 games with Paul doing the majority of the ball-handling in quarters 3 and 4 anyway. I think the real story of the last 2 has been Deron Williams- he's been far more effective at busting the zone than Paul. I wouldn't categorize Paul's D as just "pesky." He's actually been one of Team USA's best defenders and has been gambling for steals a lot less than with New Orleans. And great point about the ball-hawking... it'll be our downfall if there is indeed a downfall.
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Ron Hitley
08/04/08 02:16 AM
Agreed on the ball-hawking. They gamble a little too much out there and it usually results in a wide open corner three for the opposition. Team USA vs. Spain is on August 16th. Should be interesting.
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Garron
08/04/08 08:11 AM
I totally agree on the ball hawking. The reason why they're doing it is because of the WAY lax-er hand checking rules, so they can get away with a lot more. The thing about ballhawking is not just the gambles leading to open shots (which happened a LOT), but it's also the fouls. Stupid slap-happy defense leads to a lot of stupid fouls. US went over the limit so many times, and Russia's free throws were able to kill any running game the US had (7 mintues remaining in the fourth before free throws started coming). I would leave the slapping to just the guards, or maybe the SF (since European forwards really can't handle the ball) but leave it at that. Too much gambling that paid off early but will kill them later.
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AK
08/04/08 09:38 AM
keep an eye also on -Argentina who has a good team - Greece
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Pert
08/04/08 11:20 AM
Great insights. You're dead on about everything. I agree with Garron about the laxer hand-checking rules. It probably also has to do with the US players underestimating the ball-handling skills of the international players so they think they can steal everything. Solid on-ball defense by everyone may not yield as many turnovers, but it'll still lead to bad shots without risking so many wide open looks.
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CB Jack
08/04/08 12:10 PM
Back to our age old debate...who should be the starting PG? Deron Williams. I think he has a higher basketball IQ than CP3. The two are lethal when they're on the court together, but the truth is, Deron is more dominant in the FIBA style game. Your thoughts?
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Lowell
08/04/08 01:01 PM
More on Carmelo.... I may beoverreacting to his performance in the Russia game when Kirilenko took him off the dribble with ease a few times, but it seems like when other teams force a switch and get him matched up on even a 3, much less a guard,he is an absolutely wretched on ball defender. For someone as quick as he is with his first step on the offensive end, he is really horribly slow moving his feet on defense. Granted, few players that he will see are as quick and big as Kirilenko, but still, he often seems to be a weak link in a defense that gambles too much to deal easily with a weak link.
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Ryan Schwan
08/04/08 05:10 PM
@CB Jack - I think Paul is a better basketball player than Deron. I think he was in college, I think he's been in the NBA. In FIBA, I think the one advantage he has over Paul - his deep range - is magnified and he's been asked to unleash it. It'swhyDeron had been playingoff the ball every game before the Russia one.I still think Paul is a better PG. You didn't really expect a different answer, though, did you? I agree Lowell - Carmelo's defense is abysmal. In general, I'd have trouble putting Carmelo in my top 30 NBA players. He's way too one dimensional.
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John
08/05/08 04:11 AM
calderon is the man
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john
08/05/08 04:12 AM
calderon is the man hornets r f**kin S**t its all bout da raptors
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Adam Rodney
08/05/08 04:22 AM
Whats up with Pargo? Is he serious? He wants to put the knife in our backs?
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Ron Hitley
08/05/08 07:16 AM
I assume Pargo's a little pissed that he's still on the market, so his agent probably went out to stir up the competition for his services. I really hope we get him back, because having Mike James as our lone backup PG next year doesn't sit well with me.
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atthehive
08/05/08 10:57 AM
RealGM is reporting that New Orleans is no longer pursuing Pargo. I might be the only person happy about this...
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ticktock6
08/05/08 12:48 PM
Isn't Pargo's agent the same guy who's Posey's agent and kept coming out with info that didn't turn out to happen? ("He is talking to a team RIGHT NOW and will decide by Monday!")
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Ron Hitley
08/05/08 01:53 PM
@ticktock6: Yeah, they have the same agent. Hopefully the guy is just blowing smoke. @atthehive: Really? I'm not super-in-love with Pargo, but he's a much better backup for CP than Mike James. I hope we get him back.
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atthehive
08/05/08 03:28 PM
@Ron: I feel Pargo gets way too much good publicity as an "instant offense" guy. 39% shooting? That's not "instant," nor can it really even be called "offense." His game is super one dimensional- he literally walks up the court and shoots it every time. Even though he's good at man defense, he's a poor off the ball defender. I think you'd be hard pressed to find very many non-Hornets fans who don't rank him among the worst point guards in the league. We have an overinflated opinion of him due to things like "chemistry," "clutch ability," "leadership" etc. I'm not saying that those things don't exist. I actually believe they do and think they are important. I'm just saying that the on-court production needs to be there also, and for Pargo it simply isn't there. And re: Mike James. I know he was terrible with the Hornets, but we certainly didn't see the real Mike James. Getting irregular playing time and garbage time minutes made him look far worse than he actually is. Granted, MJ shoots too much and is a defensive liability. With Wright and Posey anchoring the second unit, I'm not too worried about his D. I don't think James will ever play as well as he did with Toronto again. But even if he plays at his career average or slightly below that, he'll be more valuable to this team (on the court) than Pargo.
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atthehive
08/05/08 03:32 PM
Not sure if I can post links here, but this is worth seeing: http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/tiny.cgi?id=4ekrX Scroll all the way to the bottom... reason #1A why I'd be happy to see Pargo a Spur.
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atthehive
08/05/08 03:34 PM
Err, reversed the order by mistake, this is what I was aiming for: http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/tiny.cgi?id=NzYen But you get my point...
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Dave
08/06/08 12:23 AM
I'll be very disappointed if Pargo doesn't return. Until he signs elsewhere I'm working under the assumption he'll be back. If anyone was offering more money than the Hornets could he'd be gone a long time ago, I don't believe he has the offers. _____________________ As for Mike James. He plays really good defense. Most famous defensively (well not really because everyone forgets) for that terrifying full court Pistons pressure defense when they won the title, it was himself and Hunter that led that defense with the second unit. He's got good size and athleticism at the point. He's very tough and can play physically. He also plays with great energy and emotion and can be that sparkplug off the bench you love having. He's got functional point guard skills like being a floor general/playmaker, not a strength but he's functional. He's a very good perimeter shooter and he'll take and make clutch shots. People say he shoots too much but I think that's overstated. He's a scoring point by nature so he needs to take some shots to be effective. If he isn't shooting a shadow of himself. In Minny he took only 8.6 shots in 25 minutes. That's directly in between Pargo and Steve Blake. That's less shots than Jordan Farmer takes. Let's not forget that James is getting his team points and shooting a good percentage on these shots too, it's not like he's wasting possessions. I'm really disappointed that Mike James hasn't found a home as a key backup guard in this league. He was an excellent fit in Houston, I can't believe they didn't give him more court time while he was there. I don't know if this is the best situation for James in New Orleans though, it requires the point to do a lot of dribbling and creative work. He'd be better on a team like the Lakers or the Celtics were the point guard role is more limited and he can use his best skills more often. It's hard to predict how well he'd do here given consistent minutes.
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LionZion
08/06/08 04:08 AM
Spurs guy here. The observation about Carmelo is quite true I think. Watching himregular season, and now these olympic exhibitions, he is just seriously overhyped!! I dun see the energy lvl and bolt down defense, that kobe or wade or lebron brings, from him. As far as offense goes, he can't hold a candle to any of them as far as creating a high percentage shot is concerned. Mainly, watching him play, he looks lazy and that is such a let down. <p style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin: 0px">
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T
08/06/08 05:11 AM
How much are the hornets able to pay for Pargo? He won't leave unless he gets more $. I read the Spurs could pay about 1,9 mio per year on a two year contract. I think Bartelstein is just talking....
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atthehive
08/06/08 06:56 AM
@T: We can pay the same thing (1.9 mil) with a Biannual Exception or we can pay Pargo up to the NBA league average (5 and a half million I believe) for up to 5 years. Of course, doing the second would send us right up to the luxury tax and I'd have to shoot myself. @Dave: Nice point about James on Detroit. I was thinking more his time with Minnesota, where in the games I watched, he was pretty atrocious at defense. Why would you be disappointed to see Pargo leave though? I understand the intangibles, but short, shoot-first, sub-40% shooters are a dime a dozen...
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Dave
08/06/08 12:44 PM
Pargo played a good role here last season and is a key bench player. He's erratic but also a game changer which few bench players these days are. His ability to beat his man and to create offense is a valuable piece, it puts a lot of pressure on opposing defenses. Plus he's already proven he's a good fit for the Hornets which is also important. I like guys that have already proven capable of handing and succeeding in their role. It depends on the money. I wouldn't like a long term contract around the MLE or anything, but a two-three year deal in a $3mil per annum range suits me just fine. I don't see anyone offering anything above that anyway, if they were he'd already be gone. I also like the fact that he can play comfortably next to Chris Paul giving the Hornets a lot of lineup flexibility. Valuable bench player. A guy worth keeping. A very strong 7th man. The Hornets would be one solid backup big man away from having one of the best benches in the league. ____________ On another note .... nobody has mentioned Byron's point forward possibility, Julian Wright? Wonder if that's playing any role in management's thinking? Probably not, hopefully not, let Wright prove that possibility first.
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Steven
08/06/08 09:48 PM
USA beat Australia mwahaha being Australian i was really happy to see us guys give the "dreamteam" a run for their money. And to be able to see Chris Paul take over when the game was in the balance was even better ! I was just wondering , why in the hell they continue to play kid , Patrick Mills looked like Allen Iverson trying to be guarded by Diop. Cant wait for the Games to start , and the odds that they have America in Australia to win it are rediculous , im going to make some serious $$ :)
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Ron Hitley
08/07/08 01:47 AM
@Steven: That Patrick Mills kid looks like the real deal. Does he have any intentions of playing in the NBA? I imagine the Hornets would be happy to have him backing up CP3.
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Steven
08/07/08 10:01 PM
@Ron: Patrick Mills is playing Div II College ball in the states for Saint Mary's Broke all the schools records in scoring assists etc. believed to be late round pick in this years draft , and personally i think that the olympics will raise his stock through the roof backing up Paul ? wouldn't mind that at all quickest combo in the league for sure.
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moam133
08/08/08 02:07 PM
Why not try to get ben gordon for the 5 million we would spend on pargo and let him be the spark off the bench. Of course he would want a starting role but i think the bulls payed him just over 4 million last year. Then let mike james run the point....Or pick up Carl landry for a mil as a solid backup to west with lots of potential. Does anyone know how much he is going for? Orwho has made him an offer?
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tim
08/10/08 10:25 PM
Saint Marys is a div 1 college steven ... and I'm pretty sure Mills had no intention of entering into the draft last year. He told Aus mag Hoops that he had offers from Utah and Washington State ... but wants to play 4 years at St marys. ps: Mills is amazing .. he blew by CP3 several times!
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