Several weeks ago I was sucking up all the basketball related news I could find and stumbled across a bunch of comments at Ira Winderman's Sun-Sentinel Heat Blog. To my surprise someone there had brought up my Evaluation of Peja's defense from earlier in the year, sparking a sporadic discussion about whether I had any credibility at all or if I was just a fan with a computer. It got quite involved, with one side going so far as to cite Henry Abbott of ESPN's Truehoop linking to me in my favor, while others cited the use of the word "yay" in my post about Chris Paul's extension as proof of my inferior style and talent. For those of you who care, it was decided in the end that I'm just a fan with a computer. I'm proud of them for figuring that out, though I still sniffle at being so dismissed. Am I not human? If you mock my analysis, do I not respond with bitter sarcasm in the comments section? Or, in this case, in a random blog posting?
Anyways, in the midst of them talking about me - as all people everywhere should - they had the nerve to start a subdiscussion regarding the defensive talents of Tyson Chandler. One side was certain he was an exceptional defender, while the other argued that Chandler was a piece of crap because he only managed one block a game. That, of course, is an argument I've seen played out in a dozen different places, and all season long I wanted to enter the fray with an evaluation of Tyson Chandler and his game.
Well, it's the off-season, things are slow, I'm a fan of Chandler, and I'm armed with a computer, so here goes:
The Perception of Chandler
The first thing you have to do when evaluating Chandler's game is discard the popular perception of him. What most fans associate with Chandler are his rim-rattling dunks and alley-oops. When commentators talk about Chandler, it's consistently about his value on the boards, how useless he is in a half court offense, and how he's a great protector of the paint because of his shotblocking. He, like all the Hornets, is also erroneously identified as a fast-break focused player that is at his best when he gets out and runs: a player with passion and abandon, but little skill or discipline.
The reality is that Tyson Chandler is a player who has a lot of value in the half-court, is skilled at altering shots without risking fouls by leaping for blocked shots, and plays a very fundamental, effective and disciplined game. Okay, maybe his discipline doesnt extend to his emotions, which always run high and lead him to bark too much at the refs or unleash some highly entertaining mugging for the crowd. But in all, the fantastic alley-oops and dunks are just a enjoyable cherry on top of his highly deliberate game.
The Boards
Chandler's discipline grows out of necessity. Despite standing over seven feet tall, Tyson carries only 235 lbs, thirty pounds less than the average listed weight of the NBA's other starting centers. Without great bulk to anchor him, his height actually becomes a bit of a liability. Shorter but heavier players with a lower center of gravity can force him under the net if he's not set, or edge him away from the basket with their massive backsides.
To counter this problem on the boards, he is diligent at boxing out opposing players, sealing them on both the offensive and defensive ends of the floor as soon as it appears a shot will go up. While on one hand, this contributes to his high turnover rate by exposing him to three second violations if the ball takes longer to go up than he thought, it also allows him to set and be braced against attempts to dislodge him. This approach allows him to have the best offensive rebound rate of any center who plays starting minutes and to post the seventh best rebounding rate in the entire game.
Defense
Chandler's focus on rebounding does have some detriment on the defensive end. His help defense against penetrators is typically superb due to his agility, but pump fakes on the perimeter can sometimes take him out of the picture, because he will move to seal his man from the boards. This makes him have to cover more ground to reach the penetrating guard if they get past their primary defender. The result is some easy buckets, since he will not close on the penetrating guard aggressively, preferring to not risk a foul - especially early in games.
Chandler is also much more likely to only lightly contest any center who steps out to 10-15 feet, instead preferring to allow them to shoot over his long arms and then seal them away from any rebound. Against centers adept with the midrange shot - like Ilgauskas - this can hurt.
That said, Chandler is an excellent defender. Adept at defending the pick and roll, his speed and ability to recover making it hard to use most centers as the roller, even when he makes a hard show on the rolling guard. His rotations to cover penetrating guards are better than average, though if he can't beat them to the hoop, he's more likely to try to make them shoot over his raised arms than risk fouls by trying to block shots.
Chandler perhaps shines the most defending post players, refusing to bite on the myriad of jabs and feints thrown by most skilled post scorers. He barely bothers to jump when the offensive player does shooot, instead relying on his height and long arms to bother the shot. Since he doesn't leave his feet, he can cut off most moves to the basket, forcing fade away jump shots, face-ups where his speed can match almost any big man, or force the player to attempt a hook shot across the lane, exposing them to being stripped by the active hands of the Hornets perimeter players and only provides a low-percentage shot to most.
Offense
Outside of Amare Stoudamire, there isn't a better big man in the game to run a true pick and roll with. Most centers and power forwards settle for the Pick and Pop, taking a mid-range shot and not truly rolling to the basket. Tyson, however, runs headlong to the hoop. This either gets him in position for an alley-oop, or in prime position for an offensive putback. He's such a threat that the opposing team must keep one of their big men home on him to prevent those high-percentage plays. That, of course, leaves Paul covered by one defender - so they either have to hope that's enough, or send a perimeter defender - which leaves a shooter open. Watch any playoff game against San Antonio this past season. Tim Duncan is nearly neutralized as a weak-side shot blocker for the Spurs while Tyson is on the floor because he cannot leave him without giving up an alley-oop or an easy offensive putback.
Now certainly, some credit does go to Paul for his ball control keeping Chandler so dangerous in the post - but the fact remains that while Paul can deliver it, how many centers in the game could actually put it home with the consistency of Chandler? Stoudamire. Howard.
Outside of that, he is still valuable offensively in a half-court set for other reasons. Despite his lack of bulk, his wide frame allows him to set solid, wide screens. His offensive rebounding is exceptional.
His weakness? His post game has not developed - and I don't think it never will, a casualty of his lack of weight. His post moves are actually fundamentally sound - he's clearly worked on them - but all it takes is a little bodying by Chandler's defender to throw him off balance and force him into fading, sideways jumpshots that inevitably miss.
Guess you can't have everything.


26 articulate comments post your own
Ron Hitley
08/14/08 04:42 AM
One of your best posts there, Ryan. I definitely agree about Chandler being one of the top guys in the league rolling off the pick, and I always love watching him hedge out on guards while defending the pick and roll. His wingspan just disrupts everything and then he can recover so well. I must admit though, I do have hope that he'll improve his offensive game. He's still so young and he seems to have a good attitude and work ethic. I don't think CP will sit back and let his post game stay stagnant either.
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Ron Hitley
08/14/08 04:47 AM
Oh, forgot to mention: Use the link in our news section or check out tysonchandler.com for new video of Tyson on vacation in Mexico. If nothing else, you have to see TC's best "Tom Hanks in Cast Away" impression.
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Ryan Schwan
08/14/08 07:23 AM
Yeah - I'll be taking in that link as soon as I get home this evening. Tyson is usually a pretty funny dude.
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atthehive
08/14/08 07:45 AM
Agree with Ron, this is one of your best work Ryan. One thing I'll add for the still unconvinced- defensive rebounding is one of the most critical parts of playing defense. People often split up basketball into offense, defense, and rebounding but as statistical God Dean Oliver is fond of saying, your job as a defender isn't over until you've got the ball. Tyson does a top-10 in the league job at ending defensive possessions. That should be taken into consideration with the rest of his D. One other note: people often say Tyson commits too many stupid fouls. This is not the case. Among all centers last year, Tyson had the third fewest PF/MP in the league. I'd say the main reason for this is that TC alters shots without going all out to block them. A lot of the "elite" shot-blockers in the league have terrible PF/block attempt rates. So even though they have a ton of blocks, they give those saved points right back via the free throw line. Not the case with The Repair Man.
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hooper
08/14/08 08:25 AM
Hey good job, good analysis....smarter than most fans with a compute...I loved watching chandler, paul and the hornets during the playoffs, and jealous that you guys get to watch chris paul 82 games a year
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sportnlife
08/14/08 11:02 AM
Ryan: Very thorough analysis of TC, who's a real asset to the Hornets and one of their smartest moves. The one area of his offensive game that should be mentioned besides the lower body discrepancy (did the Bulls do that on purpose when they took Chandler and Curry the same year? One guy all butt, the other guy needing a fanny pack under his shorts?) is that Chandler's offense is limited by his handle. What makes the oop! such an important part of his repertoire is that all he has to do is locate the ball as he does when rebounding, and then take it to the basket two-handed, with one motion. When you watch Chandler try his low post attack, back to the basket, odds are he loses the ball if he has to pound the ball and then reset it to shoot in mid-move. His free throw shooting also seems to suffer from a tenuous grip. Other players who don't have terrific lower body strength compensate by moving slightly off the block and taking the shot from a higher body position, with more arm than leg thrust. TC's handle doesn't allow him that option. Like you, I'm not sure that there's a solution. The good news is that he keeps trying, and that in the meantime, Chris Paul keeps him positive and motivated on the offensive end by looking for him all the time. Good post.
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Anonymous
08/14/08 12:59 PM
Ira Winderman is an idiot. He has nothing good to write about...ever. Interesting post. True bball fans appreciate your insight. Oh, and there's Amare, Howard, Chandler, and I would add Bynum into that mix of great pick and roll finishers.
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saltandcarbon
08/14/08 07:28 PM
Damn straight. To both the bit about y'all being two of the BEST at being fans with computers, and with Repo Man developing into an all aroundmonster in the paint. One of the things that bothers me when other people talk about TC is that they focus on his limited offensive game as justification for not including him in the elite centres. But does anyone ever criticise Bowen for the same thing?OrCamby? Or Fisher? All those guys are limited offensively, but thefew things they do (rain threes or grab offensive boards) they do really freakin well. TC is never going to be the first or second offensive option on the floor, and for a third or fourth option what he does, he does damn well. But if there is such a thing as a first defensive option, he's it whenever hes on the floor. Name me many more guys who hold that same first D, third O option status or better. Ryan is right - Howard, Stoudemire, Duncan, Kobemaybe. Kaman or Bosh at a pinch. Love the big fella. @ATH - I love your Ceiling Fan Repair Man call, but in homage to his scrappy play and aggressiveness, maybe we can shorten it to Repo Man, a la the 1984 Emilio Esteevez classic...
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lakers fan
08/14/08 08:56 PM
"how many centers in the game could actually put it home with the consistency of Chandler?" Bynum
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bad bart
08/14/08 09:28 PM
Don't forget the white Chandler, Biedrins. Their games are virtually identical and Biedrins is awesome at running the pick and roll, although he can't throw it down like TC.
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T
08/14/08 11:37 PM
All the rumors pages are acting like Pargo is already gone. But no team seems to offer more than the bi-annual exception of 1.9 mio! And the hornets are still in need of a (point) guard.......I can't get it....!
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Ron Hitley
08/15/08 01:33 AM
Good call on Bynum. I'm eager to see how he bounces back from that injury. If picks up where he left off and keeps improving, the Lakers will be very tough to beat. @ saltandcarbon: I like the sound of Repo Man, but that suggests "Repossession Man" rather than "Repair Man." But then "Repossession Man" makes good sense because TC crashes the offensive glass so well. Hmm.
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mando
08/15/08 03:13 AM
seriously? Andrew Bynum... if he has the ball anywhere near the rim its going in. I cant really remember the last time i saw chandler make a three foot shot... mini-hook or otherwise. scary for us hornets fans. wah wah
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DC
08/15/08 06:10 AM
This was an absolutely great post. I haven't run into so much solid analysis on a single player anywhere. Bonus points for the player being a solid role player rather than a superstar. I completely agreed with pretty much everything you wrote. - When you mentioned how TC haters complained that he was useless in the half-court, I scratched my head while remembering all of those pick-and-roll alley oops with CP3. - When you mentioned how some haters pointed out his lack of blocks as evidence for his not being a elite defensive player, I remembered an article on TC in which he mentioned that he sacrificed blocks for a more fundamental defensive stance. I especially enjoyed the section where you described his pick-and-roll defense. It's something that I didn't especially pay attention to (The only Hornets games I watched were in the playoffs against the Spurs). He always seemed to have that lanky Kevin Garnett-like ability and quickness to be able to show hard and recover quickly. From watching the Olympics so far, he's like the anti-Dwight Howard in this regard, who seems either clueless on D or simply doesn't have the lateral quickness.
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Ron Hitley
08/15/08 06:28 AM
@DC: You probably caught this, but watching the USA-Greece game yesterday, Craig Sager reported that Tayshaun Prince was tasked with explaining to Dwight Howard what he was doing wrong guarding the pick and roll. I think it mostly is a lack of quickness that limits Howard in this regard, though. He's just so damn big. That of course serves him brilliantly on the low block. Just not so much out on the elbow. I must keep an eye on Bosh against Spain tomorrow. I remember him coming up with some nice defensive plays, but I can't recall if those came particularly against the pick and roll. I'm guessing he handles those situations better than Howard, especially since Bosh has TC-like quickness and a similar build.
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Dave
08/15/08 06:30 AM
Great article. Very much enjoyed. While I most certainly view Tyson as one of the elite interior defenders in the league, he's a tremendous defensive player. That said, I too, am disappointed by the low number of blocked shots. He's so active, so long, so quick and athletic ... he should be able to get after more shots. Blocked shots can be deceiving because it doesn't count how many shots are altered (KG changes as many shots as anyone in the league but low bpg) or how much of cheater the defender is (Camby, Josh Smith). But I can't help but feel that Tyson can do more both blocking and altering more shots. I'd like to see more development in his blocks in one-on-one situations. With his length and defensive intelligence he should be able to do that.Hakeem was excellent at blocking his man's shot. Also, I remember a couple of months someone (I forget who) on this site made a great point about Tyson that has stuck in my mind. That the Hornets lack of a quality backup big man stops Tyson from taking more risks because his foul trouble can hurt the team so severely.
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Dave
08/15/08 06:39 AM
I'd add Dalembert and Greg Oden to the list of players who can do those alley oops to a comparable level. Something which separates Tyson is that none of these guys can do it running full sprint, soar through the air, and slam it down. On those fastbreak dunks or breaks where he trails the play. Quite a few players like the one's already mentioned, Dalembert, can definitely do those lob plays in a halfcourt pick and roll setting. I don't anyone in the league can do it with off a sprint like Tyson, Tyson has that added versatility to the number of situations you can make that pass which makes him more dangerous. Separating factor. Oden, Howard and probably Bynum can separate themselves a wee bit too because of their muscle. If the initial dunk isn't there they can just rise, catch the lob, and still finish at a tremendous level. They'll just push guys out of the way to create whatever space they need to make the play. One other thing, Tyson has been an excellent pick and roll player since the start of his career. The Bulls ran a lot of screen and rolls for Jay Williams (the Duke one) during Tyson's second season and he was deadly on them. Per 36 scoring wise (only 24mpg actual play time) that is still his best season. Chris Paul uses Tyson extremely well and certainly gets more out of him than just about anyone .... but Tyson is an excellent pick and roll player with or without Paul.
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Ignarus
08/15/08 06:56 AM
Great, detailed post. Very revealing description of hos his focus on rebounding affects his overall game. I guess the open space to work on in his post game would be the Sheed-style turnaround jumper. Not sure he's got a jumper in the bag to start with, but when you're not a banger in the post, it's good to have a shot! Hopefully he extends the comparison to Amare, who put cobbled together a solid midrange jumper over the past two years. Again, great post!
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DC
08/15/08 07:49 AM
@Ron Hitley- I can vaguely remember the Sager comment. I woke up at around 3:30 thinking the game was on at 4, only to find out it was on at 8. I couldn't go to sleep, so I stayed up until the game. Then I started to pass out in the final minutes of the game. I'm too much of a fan. Yep. I was thinking the exact same thing about Dwight. The man is just such an absolute beast that his lateral movement is affected. It's a simple physics concept: more mass means more momentum at the same speed, and it requires more force and energy to move the bigger mass. He's less explosive than a young Shaq was, and even young Shaq, who was the most impressive physical specimen I've ever seen, didn't have great lateral movement. It's all physics. I also seem to recall that Patrick Ewing is Dwight's big man tutor. The problem is that Ewing went from one of the quickest big men and a defensive beast to being one of the slowest big men and an average defender. I don't know what that really means, if anything.
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mW
08/15/08 08:58 AM
I think Tyson's character is also important. He's not getting into brawls with fans, shooting up clubs, or being asked if whatever he did was consenual or not. He's a good guy, who plays the game with integrity. And while he's been in the league several years now, he's still young. Not only that, but from all accounts, he's an awesome teammate. Personally, I don't care which guy on what team has how much vertical, or whether they can palm a ball and windmill dunk, or even dunk it from behind the rim, blowing out a candle, or wearing a superman cape. I can't think ofone center in today's league that I'd rather have on my team. Period.
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Dave
08/15/08 09:11 AM
Pargo had signed with a Russian team. Yahoo has the story. That's bad news, I was hoping the Hornets would hang onto him.
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mando
08/15/08 09:22 AM
andrew bynum. wah wah...
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Anonymous
08/15/08 10:17 AM
hornetys need another guard. im hoping for either shaun livingston or bobby jones
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Gerry V
08/16/08 09:00 AM
You took some quality time to discuss Chandler.Heres why I love him . 1. Fleet feet in the half-crt and open crt.( the footwork allows him to exceute the pick & roll etc.Also gets to full speed in the open floor quickly.Doesn't require "warm up steps" 2. Off the Ball Defender w/ solid read and react timing.Forces the kick-out pass and can protect the rim ( forces the alter) 3- Timng to the ball on the offensive glass. Gets to it quickly.( can tip with either hand..which is valuable) 4.Quick outlet passer.Locates the outlet man quickly. 5- Very Bright Baskteball Mind- one advantage I Have is being able to talk to the players in lengthy conversations. Chandler can " see" the game and quickly pick out " counters that the other team is doing. Conversations with him display his quicky " break it down " abilty from a players stand point/ Just a few tidbits to join along with your writings. GV
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Ron Hitley
08/17/08 02:12 AM
Thanks for joining the conversation, Gerry. Another thing I love about Chandler (like Mw said above) is his character. For a guy who's still relatively young, he seems to be a devoted family man and not into the whole "look at me" thing, going out to clubs, getting in trouble with the law. Like most of the players on the team, he comes across a genuinely good person, making it much easier to root for him. I love that he's a bit of a goofball, too, as evidenced by those videos on his own site. "Wilson!"
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aris
09/06/08 02:36 PM
I too think TC is one of the top defending centers in the league.what i really like about his defense is him not risking going up for many blocks.that is what makes tim duncan and kevin garnett the defensive beasts they are.they rarely leave their feet unless they have a clean look for a block
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