I'm a bit at loose ends at the moment. Typically the middle of Septemember is when I'm getting in full swing, pointing out to all who will listen how ridiculous the Season Previews of places like ESPN and SI are. Like last year, when almost every big site insisted that the Hornets got better by signing Morris Peterson, couldn't possibly have the same number of injuries they in 2006-2007, and then predicted no improvement and 39-40 wins for 07-08 and a 9th seed. That still rankles - it was such a stupid prediction.
This season, however, I haven't been able to respond with outrage to the predictions being made for the Hornets. In fact, the've been so favorable I almost cringe when I see them. High expectations can backfire dangerously - just ask the Phoenix Suns Fans. ESPN predicts the Hornets to finish second in the West, and the Hornets received the second most votes from the ESPN panel of writers to win the NBA Title, somehow topping even the Celtics.
So since I can't rant about my team's ranking, I'll instead address three teams from each conference I feel are overrated or underrated by ESPN.
The East:
- The Cleveland Cavaliers: I don't think the Cavaliers will do any better this year as they did last year, Mo Williams is alright offensively, but a seive defensively. What small upgrade he is to the starting lineup over Delonte West will be offset by Ben Wallace and Big Z being one year older and into the age where their declines will impact the team. I have them down for 45 wins again.
- The Detroit Pistons: Why are the Pistons expected to decline 9 wins to only 50 this year? They have some older contributers like Sheed and McDyess who may produce a little less, but that's offset by a very, very good bench. I can't see them winning less than 56.
- The Milwaukee Bucks: Frankly, they aren't going to be any better. ESPN has them improving from 26 wins to 35, but why? Luke Ridnour is not an upgrade over Mo Williams. Acquisitions Adrian Griffin, Damon Jones, Malik Allen, Tyronn Lue and Francisco Elson are terrible and aren't improvements over admittedly flawed parts like Yi Jianlin, Bobby Simmons and Desmond Mason. Overall the above changes make the Bucks worse, which means the improvement ESPN is predicting has to come from Richard Jefferson. Has anyone seen Richard Jefferson play the last couple years? He's not worth 9 wins by himself. Not even close.
The West:
- The Minnesota Timberwolves: I think the Timberwolves will be closer to 32 wins than 26. Al Jefferson is still a hoss, I expect an Al Horford-like season out of Kevin Love, Ryan Gomes is solid, and Mike Miller is an underrated upgrade at shooting guard. McCants or Foye will serve as a decent backup guard. This team only needs a good point guard and back up big man to return to respectibility and start talking playoffs.
- The Utah Jazz: The Jazz were a better team than their record indicated last year, producing a point differential that indicated they should have had another 4-5 wins over the course of the season. This offseason, they've really done nothing, not losing or gaining anything significant. So why should decline to only 51? I'm thinking closer to 56 or 57. I do have one caveat, however. To reach that level, Carlos Boozer needs to play like he did in 2006 and 2007, not the way he did in 2008 and the Olympics. Can anyone tell me why he's suddenly lost his scoring touch?
- The Memphis Grizzlies: I feel bad about this for my friends over at Three Shades of Blue, but the Memphis Grizzlies will not reach 23 wins. Not a chance. I'll end this post with an evaluation of their team:
Flat out, the Grizzlies will be pushing to have one of the worst records of all time. Their veterans are the worst sort of dregs: Greg Buckner, Antoine Walker, and Marko Jaric. Useless, Cancer, Slacker.
Their frontcourt is horribly weak. Marc Gasol - if he makes a successful transition to the U.S. - is a good Oberto-like backup big, but other than Marc, there's no one to rebound or play in the paint. Darko has finally developed . . . into a foul- and injury-prone stiff. Hakim Warrick and Darrell Arthur provide no post presence and combined weigh as much as Marc Gasol, and the new Iranian import Haddadi is both raw and twenty-three, a bad combination.
The Memphis guards aren't going to be tremendously better. OJ Mayo was simply not that good in college, and I already have doubts he'll ever be a top tier shooting guard in the league, much less be one in his rookie season. Mike Conley showed last year he was injury prone and merely okay when he wasn't hurt, Kyle Lowry showed he was fierce but limited, and Javaris Crittenton showed . . . well not a lot because he played so little - which is its own indictment.
That leaves Rudy Gay. He's a good scorer, but he's not all-around good, and he's probably not even a franchise player. Put him on the Hornets, and I'd rank him as only the fourth best player behind Paul, West and Chandler.
And that's my entire problem with these Grizzlies. They have one player who could start for most of the teams of the league(Gay), four players that would be in a nine-man rotation because they are young and show promise(Conley, Lowry, Mayo, Gasol) and that's it. If they break 15 wins this season, I'll be impressed.
Update: 3 Shades of Blue declares war, and more reaction on the official Grizzlies boards.
Update 2: The Wages of Wins chimes in: Darko Milicic is No Tyson Chandler


18 life-affirming comments post your own
Mikey
09/16/08 02:56 PM
Dear Memphis Grizzle, The chickens have come home to roost this season. Consider this year as Karma biting you in the ass for giving away Pau Gasol for pracitcally nothing. I will never forgive your organization for that. May you burn in Hades with the white-hot intensity of 1,000 suns! Love, Mikey
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Joshua Coleman
09/16/08 03:17 PM
Dear Mikey, Do you hold the same hatred for your own Hornets, who gave away Baron Davis for far less than what the Grizz got for Gasol? ;^) Ryan, Care to make a friendly wager about your predictions? You know where to find me.
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Ron Hitley
09/16/08 03:38 PM
@ Josh: But you see Baron and the Warriors never really posed a threat to the Hornets, whereas Gasol and the Lakers are probably going to be the toughest team to beat out West this season. Any time Gasol is a factor in a game where the Lakers beat the Hornets, I'll be cursing the Grizzlies, too ;) And besides, the Baron Davis trade was addition by subtraction for us.
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Mikey
09/16/08 04:00 PM
Joshua, I understand your point. I might have thought differently had we sentBD to the Spurs, Nuggets,or another real Western Conference Powerhouse at the time.
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Joshua Coleman
09/17/08 08:17 AM
The Gasol trade was addition by subtraction for the Grizzlies as well. They weren't going anywhere with him as their highest paid player and franchise centerpiece, so they unloaded him for what amounts to 4 first round picks and a huge expiring contract in the form of Kwame "The Mistake" Brown. How is that giving him away? It is certainly a better haul than what Davis or Carter commanded for their former teams. Yes, it made the Lakers better (which is a pain in the butt for the Hornets right now), but the Grizzlies won't be back in the postseason for another 2-3 seasons, so it doesn't affect us in the present--- just like the Warriors making the postseason with BD as their frontman didn't affect New Orleans two years ago.
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Jordan
09/17/08 08:36 AM
I don't understand the love for Kevin Love All-Horford-like season? Are you kidding me? Sure, Love knows the game, but, uh, he's nowhere near the athlete that Horford is. I don't see how Love is projected to be that much better than O.J. Mayo, who will be going back to playing shooting guard, his original position, after carrying a weak USC team on his back. Love had the help of 4th pick Russell Westbrook as well as 2nd round pick Moute on his team. Who was helping out Mayo? As for your assessments of the other players, Marc Gasol was the best player in the second best league in the world. So, uh, Oberto-like back up big is a lowball projection. Dude's 7 feet, 275. Oberto's a reach at his listed 6-10, 245. Haddaddi, sure, not the best big, but he did average a double double (the only player to do so) in the Olympics. He's raw, but it's not like 23 is thaaat old. Even for a big in the NBA. Conley and JCrit are 20. They were 19 last year. 19. So, again, your "okay" label is, I'd say, just bit premature. As for Adriana Lima's boyfriend, he works well for this team because he's young enough to contribute, but old enough to offer some veteran leadership. He can play 3 positions. Walker is bad. But, every team has a player they wished they didn't have. He was the extra price the Grizz paid for Mayo. And, Gay would be the fourth best player on the Hornets? Come on bro. Gay played on the Grizzlies last year, last year's team. With 2 19 year-old guards. Gay's 22. He went from 10 points a game to 20 points a game in one season. He raised his shooting percentage from 42 to 46 percent and was better in every statistical category but 3 point shooting with far less help then he had as a rookie (Mike Miller and Pau Gasol). Lol. David West, for as good as he is, couldn't carry a team, even a bad team like the Grizzlies. West, had a career year last year at the age of 27. He might be able to sustain that level for one or two more seasons before he starts to drop. And, as you know, he's an every-other-year player due to injuries. And Chandler, while great at finishing oops and grabbing rebounds and playing grounded defense, would be half the player without CP3. Oh, and he had his career year at 25 and started to show he was good at 24. Haddaddi, Gasol, and even Darko...all 23. They might not be very good next year. But, Chris Wallace, with horrible draft position luck and a small budget, has really done a great job. IMO. That all changes if they trade for Zach Randolph but if you look at the rarest, most coveted commodities in the NBA today, those would be Center and PG. Wallace as accumulated the best collection of young point guards/hybrids and centers in the league. So hold back a little on those scathing Grizzlies remarks.
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Caleb
09/17/08 09:09 AM
Oberto was also considered a top-tier player in Europe, but in the NBA - he's a very solid back-up. So comparing Gasol to him makes some sense.
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John
09/17/08 12:41 PM
"Chris Wallace, with horrible draft position luck and a small budget, has really done a great job. IMO. ... if you look at the rarest, most coveted commodities in the NBA today, those would be Center and PG. <strong>Wallace as accumulated the best collection of young point guards/hybrids and centers in the league</strong>." WTF??? If by "best collection" you mean "group of guys who could kinda maybe come off the bench for a playoff team." I mean really, is Conly a top TWENTY point guard in the league? You can't tell me he's better than Paul, Nash, Davis, Billups, Parker, Calderon, Deron Williams, Bibby, Rondo, Derrick Rose, Mo Williams, Kidd, Iverson, Ford, Devin Harris, Miller, or Arenas, and there are more than three others starting in the league who could be arguably better. The rest of the players (Lowry, Crittenton, Marc Gasol, Darko, the Iranian dude) are all either certified busts by now or serious project. And he HAD one of the top young centers in the league in Pau Gasol, so even if you could convince me that there was a lot of potential in some of those guys, you don't get any points for giving away something of unquestionable high value just to have a longshot to maybe eventually get someone half as good. Honestly, the most impressive thing about the Grizzlies is their PR department; how they've managed to convince any of their fans that they are doing anything other than simply slashing costs to line the owners' pockets is beyond me.
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MemphisX
09/17/08 12:55 PM
Ouch!!! I wonder if you were singing the same tune about your Hornets 3 years ago.
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Ryan Schwan
09/17/08 01:39 PM
Every point you make, Jordan, is looking to the future. Not a single one is talking about this season. There is no reason to expect that Mayo, Gasolor Conley are suddenly going to be good enough to be a top tier player in the league - and that's what you are going to need to win games - because there aren't any otherplayers worth anything on the Grizzlies benchor in the starting lineup beyond Gay. I'm glad you like Wallace. I'm sure he'll be very effective for your team. Sorry, MemphisX. At the start of the seasonfour years ago I wasn't this pessimistic, no. But then, the Hornets Baron didn't get "hurt" and be traded until halfway through that year, and Magloire wasn't injured yet. Both of them were All-stars, so I had at least a little hope they'd come back and form a potent pair. When Baron was traded, then I got pretty bummed out.
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steele
09/17/08 04:59 PM
are you delusional? rudy gay is a phenomenal talent; probably as good as monta ellis, albeit at a different position, a rising star. CLEARLY better than west/chandler and i'm sure the hornets front office would agree with me. maybe rudy's delusional too, since he believes griz will make playoffs this year.
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Ron Hitley
09/18/08 01:37 AM
@ Steele: I don't think you can argue that Rudy Gay is "CLEARLY" better than David West when the latter was an All-Star last season and Gay wasn't. Ryan's whole point was that the Grizzlies will suck <em>this</em> season, and I don't think anyone has provided a good argument against that. The Grizz have slashed payroll and that should help them down the line, but for the upcoming 82 games they're going to lose a whole lot.
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Anonymous
09/18/08 04:52 AM
dont matter terell owens is the best pointguard in the nba
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L3E
09/18/08 10:23 AM
The Grizz will not be great this year, but they will be improved. Consider: • Attrition. Some teams that were ahead of us are due to fall off. Think Golden State, PHX, Denver, Dallas. Not that we'll have a better record than any of them, but those teams probably will be weaker, easier for us to beat. Sacramento and LAC, too. • Close games. I know close only counts in horseshoes and grenades, but the Grizz lost a whopping 10 GAMES by 3 or less, including a nailbiter of an opener with the NBA Champion Spurs. The record doesn't show it, but Memphis was close in many of those losses . . . with more experience and a little defense . . . • Defense. Ah yes, defense. Teams ran layup drills on us for whole quarters last year. Expect something different with Kevin O'Neill on board as our defensive ace coach. Tom Thibodeaux is an unsung hero in Boston. If Kevin gets these guys playing even respectable defense, I'll say we're good for at least 28-30 wins. If the Baby Bears buy in and play lockdown defense . . . LOOK OUT. Sheesh, Hornets fans. If anyone knows how quickly an NBA team can go from zero to hero, it should be you guys. These next two years, it's OUR TURN.
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Timmy D
09/18/08 11:43 AM
I just find it funny that a Hornets blog is ripping into the Grizzlies for pretty much using the same sort of template for rebuilding a team that the Hornets used a few years ago. Pau did not want to be in Memphis nor did the fans want him their any longer. Yeah it sucks we sent him to the Lakers but they are never going to win a championship with him so who cares. We had to start over like you guys did and try and get stars in the draft and thats what we did with OJ Mayo. And im dont understand why you think he sucks when he put up better numbers Chris Paul ever did in college. And Rudy Gay is a phenomenal talent and the fact that you cant see that makes me not think you truly understand basketball at all. I have always been a big CP fan be reading your uneducated post makes me want to not support the Hornets when they make the playoffs. Oh and I dont think the Grizzlies are going to win a lot of games either but I do think we have won of the best groups of young talent in the whole league and just like the Hornets it will take us a couple of years to put it all together. And you do know we won the same amount of games last year with and without Pau and the previous year. So I dont understand why we would make the big leap to the worst team of all time
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mW
09/19/08 02:12 PM
Sorry 247, despite being an obvious Hornets fan, I'm with Memphis on this one. I like the young talent they've assembled down there. Sure, they're a long way from competing in the Wild West, but they have a good foundation and a lot of money to spend. I'm disappointed they didn't make any moves for big free agents this summer, but they have unloaded most of their onerous contracts for expiring ones; they used their few big names to getsome good trades. I'm probably the only one outside Memphis that is cool with the Pao trade. Look, it's a massive case of sour grapes by the rest of the league and their fans. They got back Marc Gasol, Crittenden, Brown, McKie and what, two first round picks for Pao? First of all, you have to wait and see who those picks turn out to be (though yes, likely high 1st round), but even so, Pao wasn't happy and he wasn't going to make or break it for the Grizz anytime soon. Plus, it gives the fans a clear signal of rebuilding, i.e., don't despair, we're building for tomorrow, come see what we're working on. I agree with the Memphis folks here that the story is similar to the Hornets rise. And other than their games against Nola, I wish their teamthe best.
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Ron Hitley
09/20/08 12:18 AM
@ mW: I agree with you <em>and</em> Ryan. Yes, much like the Hornets a few years back, the Grizzlies have set themselves up well for the future (your point), but they will suck this season (Ryan's point).
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kc
09/30/08 01:08 PM
shinn should consider either "the Mailman" or "the Admiral" as next head coach
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