Twas a real nice stomping by the Hornets tonight. Our starters came out and set the tone early, the bench played pretty well in the second quarter, and by halftime we were looking good with 19-point lead. The game was blown open completely in the third quarter, with more of the same dominance at both ends by the Hornets. A 31-point advantage at the beginning of the fourth meant Byron got to rest all the starters for the final frame, and even some serious Devin Brown suckage couldn't get the Bobcats close to a comeback.
All in all, it had to have been one of our more balanced attacks all season. Chris Paul finished with what looked like an effortless 15 points and 15 assists, not missing a shot in his 31 minutes. Peja threw home 5-6 from deep to finish with 17 points. David West had the jumper working and ended up with 17 points, 8 boards and 4 dimes in 29 minutes of work. Tyson Chandler got himself 13 points, 11 rebounds (6 offensive) and 3 blocks in just 24 minutes of action. Throw in 16 points off the pine for Morris Peterson and it was all just way more than the depleted Bobcats could handle.
Notes and observations, observations and notes...
- Real nice to see Tyson having a big night. He hadn't managed a double-double in his past seven games, and tonight marked only his fourth such performance of the season. He got going early with some easy buckets and that seemed to get his energy up. Before long he was chasing down rebounds in the corner, running the break and wiping Bobcat layups off the face of the earth. That's more like the Tyson we're used to. Hopefully he can bring more of the same to Boston on Friday.
- Peja in the last five games: 19.8 points per game, 33-62 (.532) from the field, 22-34 (.647) from deep. And that's in just over 30 minutes a night. Magical stuff. I don't think it's just a case of Peja getting in a groove either, but more a conscious effort to get him more involved offensively. Earlier in the season he was standing unused in the corner or on the wing for several trips at a time. Now we see Tyson setting back picks for him off the ball, and he's getting fed more frequently when he draws a mismatch.
- Charlotte were without Gerald Wallace already due to a death of his grandmother, and they pulled the trigger on a deal with the Suns today which left them without Jason Richardson and Jared Dudley. To celebrate, Larry Brown started two point guards (Felton and Augustin) and one Adam Morrison. I liked how we went right to Rasual in the post at the start of the game, which quickly forced Larry Brown to get a bigger guard (Matt Carroll) on the floor. Nothing like making the other team adjust to you.
- Of course, we were shorthanded, too, what with Mike James traded and Antonio Daniels not here yet. Luckily, we had Devin Brown step up. Oh no, wait, he actually played terrible. He threw up a few wild shots and turned the ball over four times in the fourth quarter alone. D.J. Augustin was clearly too much for him at both ends. I'll feel much better when Daniels gets acclimated and can eat up a bunch of those back-up PG minutes. It's painfully obvious by now that Brown is a liability when he's not paired with a real point guard in the backcourt.
- I missed out on the double CP throwback bobblehead. Sad face. The whole Hard Wood Classic thing was cool though. I'm pretty sure they would have drawn much less than 15,750 tonight had they not done it. I mean, who really wants to see the Bobcats on a miserable wet Wednesday night? They had some old-school singers for the anthem (Irma Thomas) and at halftime (Jean Knight), afro-cam replaced fan-cam, and even the Honeybees went retro with their uniforms (there was absolutely nothing wrong with those). Honoring the Bucs legends at the half got a nice response from the crowd, too.
- Is it just me, or do the Bobcats have a bunch of guys who haven't lived up to the hype? Okafor, Morrison, May, Felton; all of them have had disappointing pro careers thus far. Not that Okafor is usually as bad as he played tonight (5 points, 8 boards, 4 turnovers), but that whole rivalry that was supposed to develop between him and Dwight Howard seems a little ridiculous nowadays.
- The final rebound advantage was 48-38 to the Hornets, but that's after a fourth quarter where our bench just wasn't interested in that whole facet of the game. Through the first three quarters, we OWNED the glass. Peja even managed to get two offensive boards on one possession in the first quarter. He looked like Dennis Rodman out there, except not as black or tattooed or crazy-haired and with a much better shooting stroke. But other than that, he looked exactly like Dennis Rodman.
- You know, for a guy who I've often heard described as a "jump-shooting big," Sean Marks sure does miss a lot of jumpers. Check out NBA.com's Hot Spots thingy tomorrow (by which time it should be updated) and see how Marks has fared shooting the ball from outside the key so far this season. It's not a happy story. It's a shame too that he's not much of a scorer inside, getting blocked twice on dunk attempts tonight.
- That probably sounds like I hate Sean Marks, but I don't at all. I'm sure he'd make a wonderful BFF and we could have very enjoyable bike rides together, but I'd much rather see Julian Wright and Ryan Bowen getting his minutes. Both those guys bring a bunch of energy to the floor, and even if that energy is a little too wild and out of control at times, it's still better than what Marks has displayed so far.
- darkprince89 remarked in the game thread comments that Mo Pete established himself as the rightful starting two-guard with his performance tonight (16 points, 4-5 3FGs). Apparently Byron has said the job belongs to Butler for the foreseeable future, and I'm okay with that. Rasual's jumper wasn't falling tonight, but he fits in pretty well with the starting unit. If Mo can keep bringing some offensive punch off the bench, methinks that's more of a reason to keep him there.
So the Hornets have now won 7 of 8. It's hard to tell if they've really improved much since the slow start, or if they've just been beating up on some crappy foes. I guess we'll know on Friday when they face the Celtics in Boston.


24 superb comments post your own
Ryan Schwan
12/10/08 11:17 PM
Only the Hornets 2nd unit could turn a 29 point blowout into only a 16 point win . . . WITH Morris Peterson hitting from deep. I can't wait for Daniels. Now we need to turn Devin Brown and Hilton Armstrong into someone like Nick Collison, and we're set to rumble.
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At the Hive
12/10/08 11:47 PM
Dude, Daniels/Butler/Posey/Ely/Collison with Wright running amok at random intervals??
Excuse my drooling...
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Mikey
12/11/08 12:40 AM
Hey, at least the bench inconsistency is consistent.
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ticktock6
12/11/08 08:09 AM
Peja didn't make it rain, he made it snow.
No, really. It's snowing right now.
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Kamo
12/11/08 08:49 AM
Let's get a big for rasual or mo'pete cmon...and hey chandler had more than 10 rebounds, i was about to drink champagne!
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Niall Doherty
12/11/08 09:10 AM
I don't recall signing up for this snow malarkey. I can handle it being too hot in the summer OR too cold in the winter, but not both. That's just mean.
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Mikey
12/11/08 09:18 AM
I blame the snow on all the folks that moved here from Pittsburgh... it's THEIR fault!
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darkprince89
12/11/08 09:38 AM
@Niall - thanks for the cool mention. You do got a point there. With mo and posey leading the guys off the bench, we now have second unit that will be able to provide the same output as the starters: daniels/brown-PG, mo/wright-SG, posey-SF, marks?-PF, and armstrong/ely-C. things are looking up...
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Ryan Schwan
12/11/08 10:06 AM
I don't know, Mikey. Maybe we should blame the guy who hails from the middle of the frigid North Sea.
Marks likes to shoot. Please, make it stop.
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Mikey
12/11/08 10:25 AM
Kudos to Peja for passing the 12,000 point mark; Cool individual stat there. Anyone know if AD is gonna be ready to go Friday night? Even if he is, I suspect he will get little playing time. Tell you what, watching Ju Ju playing those garbege minutes last night, I can kinda see what Byron is talking about. Its like he doesn't know when to pass or when to create. Its like he's looking for something that isn't there.
DJ Augustin is the real deal. He can penetrate at will, can dribble with either hand, and can make just about every shot on the floor. One thing I saw last night that will obviously be corrected with experience (and watching Chris Paul films) is that sometimes he picks up his dribble too quickly. Once he picks up his dribble, other teams can trap him and/or cut off his passing lanes. Chris Paul is so effective at maintaining his dribble, and that helps him do amazing things that creates open shots for his teammates. Once DJ learns that, lookout Eastern Conference!!
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mW
12/11/08 11:51 AM
You know, we often talk about Posey for hustle and grit, even when he doesn't show up on the stat sheet. I think it's fair to say that last night Hilton was that guy. He came in aggressive, snagged some rebounds, hustled, got in place on defense, didn't commit stupid fouls, and had only one turnover. He missed a couple of shots, but I liked his shot selection. I don't see him as the problem on the second unit. It's really the 4 slot. Is Marks the guy? If he hit more jumpers, sure. I'd rather see Julian out there. Have we forgotten that whether Byron "trusts" him or not on the O-end, that he's still one of our better defenders?
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NOH_Domination
12/11/08 12:29 PM
I think you guys over react about the bench a little bit. Come playoff the bench means very little. All the bench does is save the starters legs during the season. And while you guys continuously complain about the bench, it isn't much of a concern. Yes last year it was and early this year, but since Devin Brown has stepped in the bench has gotten extensively better. We have James Posey, Devin Brown, AD, Hilton, and Mo Pete/Rasual. By the end of the year we may have JuJu as well (that's what happened last year). He continues to grow, but when you have a bench rotation that JuJu can't crack, you're in good position. Like some of you have previously said, the PF position is the only backup spot we're lacking (should've kept birdman), but look around the league and there isn't a bench that's more solid than this one. You've heard that our bench is so bad for so long that unless they go out and put up 80 points you think it's a bad night. They do their job and they're one of the better bench's in the league. And as for them giving up 15 points in the fourth quarter, THEY WERE UP BY 30+!!!!!!!!!!! How hard do you think professionals that are being paid to do their job want to play when they inherit a 30 point lead against a JV team? That would've happened with anyone in the game. They aren't going to try to turn that 30 point lead into a 50 point one. They were ready to get the game over with and knew the game was out of reach so don't over react. GET READY FOR THE CELTICS!!!!!!!!
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NOH_Domination
12/11/08 12:39 PM
And Niall, you threw Devin Brown completely under the bus by calling him a liability. He would be better playing off the ball, but he has faired well at point. All these bench stats were from the 4th quarter. THEY DIDN'T CARE!!!!!!!! However it will be refreshing to see him playing off the ball and AD running the point instead. And your last little statement at the end of the article you questioned whether the Hornets were rolling or if they were feeding off of poor competion. I think it's clear they're rolling. Earlier in the year they struggled and even in their wins you felt depressed after the game. And they lost to teams like Charlotte, Atlanta, and Sacramento. They have been playing extremely well and that's because they are playing how they want to and not playing towards the competition. The Hornets are on fire.
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Niall Doherty
12/11/08 02:26 PM
@ NOH_Domination: Admittedly I've been rather pessimistic so far this season, but I really expected the Hornets to be one of the top contenders for the title. About two weeks into the season, I stopped believing that and I won't get my hopes up again so easily.
Bench play is very important for the exact point you mentioned: they save the starters legs for the Playoffs. If Chris Paul has to keep playing close to 40 minutes a night, it doesn't bode well for us making a deep postseason run.
And I don't buy that they didn't care in the fourth quarter and that's why the Bobcats closed the gap. You can bet Byron won't take that as an excuse either (note that he called a timeout real early in the fourth last night after a couple of turns and some horrible shots). These guys are professional athletes, they get paid millions of dollars to go out and play hard no matter the score. I don't care if we're up 50, I still don't want to see Devin Brown turning the ball over on every second possession or Sean Marks launching jumpers that he can never seem to hit.
As regards finding a bench more solid than ours, well, I'm not sure how to reply to that. We've been getting outplayed by most other second units, so I don't see how ours can be considered one of the best.
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Diane
12/11/08 05:25 PM
Did you guys say you want Nick Collison? He's yours.
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NOH_Domination
12/11/08 05:31 PM
I don't believe we've been outplayed since Brown has taken over. Our bench is fine. And it's inevitable that players will give up a large lead when the game is over. You can cry about it all you want, but that's just a fact.
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youngjeezy
12/11/08 06:45 PM
I know this has nothing to do with the game, but was the halftime show supposed to be a joke? Am i the only one that thought it was terrible?
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At the Hive
12/11/08 07:11 PM
Yeah it was supposed to be a joke. It was the cheerleaders from the 1968 New Orleans Bucs...
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Ryan Schwan
12/11/08 10:14 PM
Sadly, you're wrong on this, NOH_Domination. Every combination the Hornets have put out on the floor that includes Devin Brown and does not include Chris Paul has been a loser combination. The highlights:
The original set of five when Brown took over:
Brown-Butler-Wright-Posey-Armstrong produces .95 points per posession and gives up 1 point per posession.
The new set of five:
Brown-Peterson-Posey-Armstrong-Marks produces .82 points per posession and gives up 1.21 points per posession.
Now - Brown has been the least loser-like of our subs not named James Posey, having a -2 as his TOTAL plus minus, but he also has spent 62% of his total minutes on the floor with Paul, so it's exactly what both Niall and I have said: Brown isn't that good when he's the primary playmaker, but when he plays the off-guard position, he's serviceable.
And it's not inevitable that players will give up a big lead when the game is over. Your logic is that one team doesn't care while the other does. Why would the losing team's scrubs that are fighting for minutes care more than the winning teams scrubs that are fighting for minutes?
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youngjeezy
12/11/08 11:28 PM
Not the cheerleaders, but the lady singing. I'm not sure it was singing it sounded like screaming
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mW
12/12/08 12:16 AM
Okay, so the big word on Antonio Daniels is zero risk, right? MJ was riding the pine, so worst case scenario, AD can't contribute and rides the pine. Cool. So what's our next biggest problem? PF? Dude, seriously, sign Darius Miles. Best case scenario, you get an impact player. Worst case scenario, you sign him for the minimum, he rides the pine, and f$&#s the Blazers for $20 mil on the salary cap. Takers?
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NOH_Domination
12/12/08 01:38 AM
I love the Darius Miles idea, but mostly because the Blazers don't need more help.
Ryan: The original lineup we were losing by .05 points a possession. That's not bad. The second stat is absurd. It's been, what, three games since JuJu was benched? So since the backups played the entire 4th quarter that stat is going to be inflated like that. And yes their team is going to play harder than ours when it's an 80 point game. One because they are a young team and their roster is far from being set, while, since we're a contender, our lineup is essentially set, so our bench felt a lot more secure in the 4th quarter. And two because they're losing and anything to cut the lead down to a respectable mark is going to save them a little wrath from Brown the next day in practice. Not to mention that the losing team will usually keep their starters in a little while longer after the winning team cleared their bench. It happens from the NBA to the NCAA to high school and all the way to elementary school. I could sit here and give you reasons why it happens, but the fact is that it happens. Find me a game where a team has a 30+ point lead going into the 4th and didn't give up a little bit of the lead. You won't find one. But I will agree that Devin Brown is much more effective playing off the ball, since his relentless style doesn't really get anyone else involved on offense. And you say Brown is completely trash when he's not off the ball, which bears no truth whatsoever. Yea he's not AS good, but he's not terrible. I'm ready for the C's!!!! The bench will play serviceably, we'll play a good game, possibly win, and you guys will be complaining that we have no bench. Can't wait.
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mW
12/12/08 09:24 AM
I think Byron's made it clear, you play the game, not the score. If these guys want minutes they need to play hard no matter what. No excuses. These guys are paid big bucks not to let up.
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NOH_Domination
12/12/08 10:16 AM
i'm not saying it's right, but it's going to happen when you're up by 30
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