The Hornets got torched by the Lakers again, once more making a run at the end that made the final score not look so bad. Don't let it fool you, they were terrible. Let me list the ways:
- The Lakers interior defense was tough, a function of all the really tall and athletic guys they can run at you. As a result, every time West entered the paint, he got bumped around and was forced to shoot over two converging players. In the second and third you could tell he wasn't even thinking about a move into the paint when he got the ball. He'd pump fake, dribble and either go for the fall away or pass back out again. No repost. They simply took him out of the game.
- When Tyson gets fired up for a game, two things can happen: the Hornets find him early, he gets some easy buckets, which gets him clicking on defense, and he plays great OR the Hornets can't find him early or he's fouled hard repeatedly and can't get easy buckets, he starts getting frustrated, and the Hornets fall apart on both ends. The guy really is pretty key to what they do, and tonight he was a mess. As a result the baseline defense completely disintegrated in the second, giving up 4 easy baskets when no one rotated to help when the guy drove. In three of those drives, it was Tyson's job to come over and help out, and he got over way to late to do anything.
- Pau Gasol frequently slipped across the lane off a screen, received the pass, and either found an open teammate on the perimeter or took a short shot. The Hornets were rarely able to even get to him, as he finished again and again. He's a great fit for that triangle offense.
- The Hornets offense is predicated on having wing players who can space the floor and shoot. That's what makes the high pick and roll deadly, and allows West a safety valve on his post plays as he can send the ball whipping out to shooters to give him some room to maneuver. Devin Brown did his job in taking the shot, but he didn't hit anything. Tonight he wasn't even coming close, and all three of his shots were not even contested. It's a problem against good defensive teams.
- Posey and Morris Peterson picked up a ton of fouls early on and as a result Julian Wright finished out the first half. He frantically ran back and forth from the three point line to the basket on offense, and was typically open. Unfortunately, the Hornets were running double screen for a Posey three, and then a high post look for West, and looked away from him during both offensive sets. That's rough. Kids trying to make an impact. Still, I don't know what to say. On a set play like that, he's probably supposed to have a designated spot - not be running back and forth the entire play.
- I liked what Butler did out there. Would have been nice if we had Peja joining Butler on the perimeter tonight.
- Brown did show where he is effective, at least: attacking the basket with the second unit. Armstrong-Posey-Peterson-Brown-Daniels could be effective with both Daniels and Brown driving and kicking, Posey and Peterson finishing, and Armstrong turning the ball over.
- Posey tossed Kobe to the floor and barked at him after Kobe repeatedly threw his body into him for about five seconds. It earned good ol' Posey a technical, but I was fine with it. It was also nice to see Kobe finally earn some three free-throws, because on four of the previous five calls resulting in him getting free-throws, he was not touched anywhere but on the hand - which is legal.
- Hilton's block on Odom was pretty, as was his stuff and forced jumpball against Andrew Bynum. Of course, he followed both with turnovers, but they were still nice.
Have a good night.


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ticktock6
12/23/08 11:50 PM
Posey laying out Kobe was the highlight of my night.
I knew when West couldn't get going that the Hornets weren't going to win. Without EITHER him or Peja, yes. Without both, no. And the lack of Peja only allowed them to close on West more.
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Mikey
12/23/08 11:58 PM
Humbling feeling knowing another team is just flat out better than you are. Here are some things I saw:
* Frontcourt depth was exposed in this game, and no, Sean Marks wouldn't have helped. I cannot believe we actually ended up with more offensive rebounds then they did, of course most of those boards were in garbage time, which was basically the entire 2nd half.
* I really like Mo-Pete coming off the bench. He's not the individual defender that Rasual is, but he's a good compliment to Posey. He is also a bonafide threat from deep. Seeing him move like he did tonight was a good sign.
* Credit Phil Jackson with adjusting his game plan as soon as he learned that Peja wouldn't play. There was not a Laker defender within 12 feet of Devin Brown all night long when he was in with the starting unit. They dared him to shoot, and shoot he did. Miss, he also did.
* You know things aren't going your way when Pau Gasol hits a 3. He couldn't be stopped. The Hornets don't have an answer for Pau Gasol, other than having him injure his ankle in the 1st quarter of a game (which is the game we beat the Lakers last season). Again, I will never forgive the Memphis Grizzlies for making this trade, never.
* Byron Scott, in some of his postgame comments, called out his team for what he called "getting too emotionally involved in the game". He stated that when the Hornets get too emotionally involved, they forget about playing the other team, and just start barking about every call. I cannot tell you how glad I was that he called those guys out publically. Let the fans get on the officials. Thats our job. Your job is to play the game... so play.
* Hilton Armstrong had a streak of his own going. Unfortunately his streak of games without a turnover ended at one in a row.
* You all know I love James Posey. He's got two rings, so he knows what it takes to get there. When games are chippy, and calls aren't going your way, you still need to play with an element of poise. I'm going to unofficially appoint him to this role. He needs to be the one to calm everyone down and get them playing the other team, not the three guys in nice black pants and grey shirts with numbers on the back.
* Lastly, we have to do something about these trainwreck quarters. I've gone too long already, so I'll do a seperate journal about this subject.
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two_tone
12/23/08 11:59 PM
hilton seems to have played tougher than chandler tonight. it will be interesting to see byrons rotations for the christmas day game. will daniels and peja be back? who will drop out rotation? will byron play marks to foul dwight, even though i hope not?
hiltons block was sick. he got so excited he traveled. he played hard with his 3 blocks.
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Andrea
12/24/08 12:09 AM
Only positive thing about this night was that none of our guys got injured. Nothing else positive to take away from this game.
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ticktock6
12/24/08 12:13 AM
Keys to the 2009 playoffs:
A) Get the #2 or #3 seed and hope.
B) Con a scrubby team into giving us a scorer for 1 draft pick and a bag of socks.
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ticktock6
12/24/08 12:21 AM
Oh, and, like Mikey said, if Phil Jackson can adjust to Peja not playing, how come we can't? And "do what we did last game when we won" doesn't count. Last game was against the Kings. This is the Lakers. I know Posey is Mr. "I'm the leader of the bench" but just. start. him. if you have to. Or Mo. Someone who spaces the floor similarly to Peja's role in the offense. Maybe the Lakers still cheat on those guys, but maybe they drill some threes early and give D West some space in a matchup you already knew was going to be tricky for him.
I really am going to bed now, and despite all appearances to the contrary, am not all that upset about this game. They're better than us. We need to worry about our division and locking up #2, if that's what we have to do.
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Mark
12/24/08 01:36 AM
No pun intended (or maybe, I don't know), but touching hands is legal? I thought any body contact could warrant a foul.
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Mark
12/24/08 01:56 AM
Oh, and not to toot my own horn, but I could've played better defense than the Hornets did tonight. The weakside help was always late (easily called Kobe's sick reverse dunk), Lake-show's ball movements left rotation open, and man-coverage was always inadequate. It wasn't about strategy, but no effort/skill.
Also, regarding my hate to lack of interior offense teams, DX isn't that good a passer. When he was picked up in the paint, there was little off-ball movement (dammit, cut). Combine that with DX's no-so-awesome passing ability and it's a recipe for easy-defense. I don't completely blame DX, but moreso coach Scott. Shouldn't you be preaching ball movement and off-ball motion when our team is a primarily jump-shooting team? Maybe I'm expressing my usual bias against coach Scott, but it's really inexcusable.
Again, it's way we're losing games that I (and almost everybody else) has been disappointed in. I don't realistically expect a 82-0 season, but I do expect 82 games of effort. Can't be that much to ask, right?
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StefanC
12/24/08 02:27 AM
Call me crazy, but other than the fact that we were missing 2 key players, I think the reason why the game got out of hand was because Kobe picked up 2 quick fouls in the first.
Yes, because of this he was able to play with the Lakers bench, including Lamar Odom, against our thin bench without a facilitator. This was when the Lakers became confident and didn't have ONE turnover after having 10+ in the first quarter. This caused CP3 to come back after 2 minutes of rest which tired him for the long haul. Game Over.
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saltandcarbon
12/24/08 03:31 AM
@ TT6: I think Chris Paul's bag of gummy socks has more skill that OKC's backcourt. We could swap them for Wilcox (the Thunder seem to prefer starting Petro anyway) - win/win.
And big props to MW in previous thread for voice of calm. I agree we have a talented roster and with the right playbook and lashings of regular-season-go-make-a-few-mistakes-and-you-won't-get-crucified confidence, a seven game Western Conference team. One hard inside presence from a Finals team. And Peja keeping the defense honest, Daniels as another guy who can handle and dish should have made this game a massively different one.
It is just bewildering the way Byron is rotating these guys. I can't believe I'm about to say this but I was envyous of a highlight of Milwalkee from the Bucks/Jazz game. Bogut at high post hits Redd cutting hard to the basket. Looked like it was an option only if he didn't get the kick out for the shot. And BOGUT made the pass! He's got less handle than Hilton! Why can't we have a play in the book where Mo/Sul/Pose slice hard behind the pick play?
The lack of effort tonight seems to be undeniable. But why, against the measuring-stick team? Is the core group losing faith that Byron can manage their talent all the way? Are they frustrated that when the shots aren't falling or they get elbowed and bumped out of the halfcourt, there is no plan B? I'm gonna give coach Scott some more rope because he's a really, really smart dude. I just hope he isn't losing these guys and ends up hanging. The bees are too good for that.
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saltandcarbon
12/24/08 03:43 AM
Oh, and @BeckyHammond - the rule is something like "hand is part of the ball", as in if you smack a hand on the swipe for a steal or follow through for a block it's no foul, but wrist or forearm etc will get a whistle. Of course, subject to interpretation and the fabled "superstar call". My guess is that CP gets away with a few on his thefts, and Kobe gets to the line suspiciously more times than he gets legitimately hit...but we all know you've gotta be pretty damn good to get to that status to get those calls, so we'll let it slide.
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Niall Doherty
12/24/08 04:24 AM
Balls about the game. I didn't get to see it (first game I've missed in more than a year), but I read through all the comments from this post and the last, and of course the recap itself, and just wanted to say thanks to everyone for painting the picture. I'm really appreciative of the community we've got going here.
Regarding the game, I'm really hoping Peja is back soon, but if not Byron can't keep starting Devin Brown. I agree 100% that Mo Pete would be a much better choice there. If he's left wide open he'll make the defense pay. Then again, I'm sure Phil Jackson would have adjusted as necessary if Peterson had started. Crafty he be.
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Niall Doherty
12/24/08 04:53 AM
Question: Did we post up Posey at all against the Lakers?
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Ryan Schwan
12/24/08 10:30 AM
They posted Posey one time - but the ball never got to him because it was against Kobe and Kobe worked damn hard to deny him the ball.
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ChrisTrew.com
12/24/08 10:52 AM
I watched this game at a restaurant in Mandeville while the Mariah Carey Christmas album was playing, so I was double frustrated.
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mW
12/24/08 11:09 AM
Lakers are better. I still say we're next. The game at Orlando will be a good measuring stick.
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Mikey
12/24/08 12:35 PM
Niall,
Lakers beat us 32-17 in the 2nd quarter. Need I say more?
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Mark
12/24/08 02:36 PM
Thanks saltandcarbon. I legitimately always thought hand-slapping was against the rules too, since most of the replays they show on TV are all-ball; very clean.
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Ryan Schwan
12/24/08 03:49 PM
C'mon, Becky. You should know that holding hands is always legal.
*sigh*
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StefanC
12/24/08 04:04 PM
Not in 7 European, and 13 African countries it's not.
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Diane
12/24/08 05:13 PM
To Ryan & Niall
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Thanks for writing this great blog.
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Niall Doherty
12/25/08 02:06 AM
Thanks, Diane. I hope you have a great holiday, too.
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Mark
12/25/08 02:44 AM
Hahaha. Ryan, you're stupid.
Except if, as we know, we're talking about Becky Hammon. It's illegal for me to let go of her hand... *sigh #2*
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