Nothing short of a miserable, ugly, horrible, frustrating game at New Orleans Arena tonight. The Hornets never got in an offensive flow and seemed a little unprepared for those New York Knicks running and gunning up and down the floor, as if the game plan was to keep Charles Oakley off the boards and John Starks off the free throw line.
I'll try to keep this relatively quick and painless. Bullets...
- Like I said, our guys seemed totally unprepared for this game. The Knicks were never standing still, catching the ball on the run and looking for the back door constantly. They mixed us up a million times with simple picks and hand-offs, and our defensive rotations were often much too slow or simply nonexistent. Luckily they didn't shoot the ball particularly well, or this would have been a blowout loss for us.
- I thought we'd climb all the way back from that double-digit defecit in the fourth and steal a win we didn't deserve. If that had happened, right now I'd probably be writing about how much resolve we showed to knuckle down and come away with a victory on a night when everything was going against us. But instead it was the Knicks that came up with the big late shots and stops, while our guys were left scratching their heads.
- Was it just me, or did we run very few pick and rolls for Chris Paul, especially in the second half? I didn't notice the Knicks doing anything in particular to take that away, but maybe I just missed something. I would have thought we'd be picking and rolling them to death down the stretch.
- Defensively, the Knicks played us pretty good, or at least they took away a couple of things we like to do and we kept trying to do them anyway. They crowded David West, resulting in a 6-20 shooting performance for him. They got out on our shooters, not letting us get many uncontested looks from deep. Peja, Posey and Butler combined to shoot 4-15 from three.
- I got a text message from DJ Toney Blare late in the fourth quarter. It read "Note to D-West: you're allowed to play D with 5 fouls."
- I'm sorry, but the addition of Antonio Daniels doesn't seem to have improved our bench all that much. I don't think he's been playing bad, but we're still sorely lacking in something I like to call "good basketball" when we throw a bunch of reserves out there. The effort seems to be there from a lot of those guys, but it's not producing results. Perhaps it's simply that the parts don't compliment each other. I'd be interested to hear some thoughts on this in the comments.
- Tyson started strong, scoring 10 points in the first quarter alone, including a pair of miraculous hook shots. Later he got a few calls against him and that seemed to throw him off his game. He battled hard for boards in the fourth but Byron opted to get more wings on the floor and pulled him for the final five or so minutes. He never got more than those 10 points, but he did end up with a dozen rebounds.
- Most of the hustle plays belonged to New York tonight.
- The Knicks outscored us 24-17 in the second quarter, which means we've now been outscored in the second quarter in 13 of our last 14 games. The only time we didn't get beat in the second during that stretch was against the Clippers on Saturday. Yes, those same Clippers who were missing a bunch of starters, starting a bunch of reserves and reserving a bunch of D-Leaguers.
- Mo Pete sighting in the first quarter. Yay says you, hold yer horses says I. Dude played just 3 minutes and 9 seconds before Byron stuck him back on the bench for the night. I believe Peterson is one of those guys who will happily accept a diminished role for the betterment of the team, but he has to be going crazy trying to figure out the method to the rotation madness.
- Sean Marks didn't see the floor tonight, but he did shoot 11-13 on 20-footers while I was watching him in warm-ups. You leave that guy out there with no defense in front of him, and he'll make you pay.
- There was no tribute to Bobby Phills tonight, despite it being the eighth anniversary of his death. He's a forgotten man here in New Orleans. That makes me sad.
Moving on now to the road trip from hell. This loss to the Knicks is especially painful because we've got the Mavs, Cavs and Pistons lined up at the next three exits. What you made of, Hornets?


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Roc217
01/12/09 11:56 PM
Re: Pick n rolls: I said the same thing. When CP got that charge I said out loud. Why didnt he call for somebody to set a screen so he wouldn't have to cross them over? I don't remember any pick n rolls with he and Tyson. This whole game was weird and depressing.
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saltandcarbon
01/13/09 12:46 AM
I hear Marks is UNCONSCIOUS when the gym clears after practice.
It seems to me the only coach with stranger use of reserve minutes in the league is Don Nelson. And he's certifiable. Still, the reserve minutes can't explain the club feet of the starters. Is there somthing going on behind the scenes with Byron? Has he lost the lead? I don't want to relight conspiracies, but it just seems to be the most obvious explanation for this team of immense talent rolling over as often as they do. I suspect instability and fear of getting stuck on the pine is the reason for the second unit not being comfortable with each other. I hope I'm wrong, because it could just as easily be something else wrong mistakenly masking Byron's genius, but...
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YoungFella
01/13/09 01:30 AM
I think those young punk-ass refs working the game were the type who get their stones off on giving the tough calls to the home team and getting the crowd worked up into a frenzy. Lots of tough calls on the Hornets that the Knicks (especially Lee) were getting away with. If I wasn't so lazy I'd google their names and see if they have reputations for being a tough whistle on the home team.
Another night when Posey and Peja fired blanks (more or less) for much of the night. Posey also got beat on a few key possessions in crunch time due to lack of quickness. I don't understand why Sual and MoPete are so quick to gain entrance into Byron's doghouse while Peja/Posey/Chandler can seemingly never do anything to merit fewer minutes.
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YoungFella
01/13/09 01:33 AM
Also wanted to add - I'm reading "07 Seconds or Less" about the 2005/2006 Suns, and it goes into some length about the calls that Head Coaches make to the head guy in charge of the refs, and also to the reputations and relationships that D'Antoni had with certain refs and how he worked them.
Again, I don't know this, but it always seems to me that Byron Scott isn't the type of guy who partakes in that "game". He doesn't seem like a Phil Jackson who works refs not just over the course of the game, but over the course of several seasons until he has an understanding of how his team plays and what they should and shouldn't get away with.
Anybody think there's anything to this?
#4
mW
01/13/09 06:30 AM
Interesting point, YoungFella. Good question. Although, like saltandcarbon and Niall, I too wonder what's up with the rotations. Maybe Mo would fit better in the starting line-up. No disrespect to Rasual, but maybe the second unit would look better with him in it. As Niall pointed out yesterday, that's a roll (coming off the bench) that Bobby Phills embraced, and that seemed to work out well for the team.
And while Niall's too much of a gentleman to say it, I will. Not even mentioning Bobby Phills tonight? Really? Loss to the Knicks? Really? There may be some karmic justice there. So for everyone who thought there was a bunch of "weird" things about this game? There may just be a karmic reason for it.
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Niall Doherty
01/13/09 07:54 AM
@ YoungFella: The Knicks were the more aggressive team and came up with most of the hustle plays. The team that does that usually ends up getting the best end of it from the officials. The Hornets can't come out flat-footed and lazy on defense and then complain about the refs.
@ mW: I believe in karma.
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ticktock6
01/13/09 08:36 AM
The Hornets offense looked "weird' to me, especially when we went small. It was three shooters clogging up the one side of the floor, camping, while CP weaved around the other side of the floor alone and dumped it to D West. I saw several times when West was stubbornly trying to back down two guys while a teammate alone under the basket waved his arms. D West's 25-14 game was a classic case of how stats don't tell the whole story. He didn't shoot well, and he was often not where he was supposed to be on D.
That said, better hustle on defense would have probably led to a spark on offense.
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djtoneyblare
01/13/09 09:33 AM
the last four minutes of getting beat under the hoop were inexcusable. dwest didn't even move his feet and david lee made us pay. at that point, when we need stops and we seem to be able to get the 3's off and chris is able to dribble-drive, i don't know if it doesn't make more sense to leave tyson in against the knicks. "more wings" is exactly what d'antoni wants you to do.
then again, i don't see the sweetness and light of sean marks, so wtf do i know? free juju!
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Roc217
01/13/09 09:49 AM
Ticktock, there were 2 instances I remember where even the knick announcer recognized chandler was alone underneath and dwest missed him. He saw him in the first half once (late mind you) but after that he just missed him. He's not good at recognizing the double and passing out which is why he either turns over or forces a shot.
#9
Mikey
01/13/09 10:05 AM
The Hornets looked like they were running through a foot of water last night; Slow on everything. It's not like you don't know what a team coached by the Pringles Face is going to do....
As far as bench play goes, I'm gonna answer the question with a question... Who is our reserve go-to guy? Think about it. The Lakers have 3 or 4 guys, Spurs have Giniboli, Jazz have AK-47 AND Paul Millsap when Boozer comes back, and even Denver has JR Smith. Closest we have is James Posey, but is he really a go-to guy? If we thought acquiring Antonio Daniels was going to solve this problem, we were fooling ourselves. Is he an upgrade from Mike James, yes, because he will actually pass the ball. You haven't seen the assist numbers really increase, because guys actually have to make shots before you get any assists. Byron is going to have to re-insert Mo Pete and Julian back into the rotation soon, mainly because he is running out of other options. He's tried Devin Brown, Sean Marks, and even Melvin Ely. None of those guys have worked out consistently thusfar. A Ryan Bowen sighting would be nice too.
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Elamenape2
01/13/09 10:26 AM
Mikey, I agree. We need that go to bench guy. Commonly called the Spark. I have long thought Ben Gordon would be the perfect guy to fill such a role on our squad. Ben Gordon off the hornets bench is the remedy. True or False, wasnt there a rumor last season that the hornets tried to get him?
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Ryan Schwan
01/13/09 10:52 AM
There was a rumor - but the Hornets would have had to give up Julian Wright and picks to get him.
And there's the fact that if we had gotten him, his contract expires and he had already turned down a 5-year 50million dollar deal. He's probably worth around 6-7 mil a year, not 10+ million. And the Hornets can't afford another 10mil a year deal.
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Smokd
01/13/09 12:44 PM
The pick and rolls weren't there because New York switched on everything, regardless of the mismatched, which I thought was the key to the Knicks victory. Knicks I felt minimized the mismatch by have Jeffries and W. Chandler on Paul and Tyson. Both could play the other fairly well. The only real mismatch was when Lee switched onto Paul, in which Paul exploited pretty well, just wasn't enough.
#13
Tsunami
01/13/09 01:01 PM
Bobby Phils is not forgotten in Cleveland. We miss him.
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Andrea
01/13/09 04:26 PM
Once Monta Ellis comes back, the Warriors will have 4 legit scorers in him, Maggette, Crawford, and Stephen Jackson. Maybe they'd be willing to give one up for Mo Pete + Julian + picks or something like that. Doubt it would happen but we need to make some moves to improve the team.
I really think part of the problem with the bench is the way they're used. For example, Daniels-Brown-Posey-Marks-Armstrong is the lineup; none of those guys are necessarily offensive juggernauts but we'll probably post up Posey and he'll miss; we come down the floor on the next trip, post up Posey, maybe get a corner 3-ball out of it; next trip, more of the same and he misses our we get a bad shot. That's not the exact problem but it's just that what we do is either run the same "play" repeatedly with little or no success or do something different that doesn't work either. Could be the parts or it could be the offense itself but I think it's both. Problem is that even with new parts (unless we get a bonafide scorer), I'm skeptical that things will get better.
#15
Al
01/13/09 05:20 PM
I was at the game last night, and being both a die-hard Knicks and Hornets fan I was smitten the whole game, especially when David Lee was hitting mid-range jumpers like he was a robot.
The win can be much attributed to the Knicks tenacity on both ends of the floor, mostly offense, but I think it was mostly due to Tyson Chandler’s inefficiency on the boards especially down the stretch and to Byron Scott’s usual inexplicable lineups and mind-blowing matchups.
In the last two or three minutes of the fourth quarter he had Rasual Butler guarding Nate the Great and Chris Paul guarding Quentin Richardson and at some points David Lee. This made for easy post-ups against the undersized Paul which left him with the only option to foul. If Paul didn’t foul, he would a) get backed down and scored on easily, b) go for a steal and get beat, or c) have Tyson Chandler or David West come from the weak side and make a silly foul while contesting a shot. This sent Q to the line several times and luckily (for the Hornets) he kept hitting 1 every trip, and if he didn’t shoot free throws he would score a bucket or find an open man from a double team.
Can we please talk about Tyson Chandler? He was so frustrating the entire game. I think he had a modest 10 rebounds while he could have had 20. Instead of grabbing boards, setting, and hitting an easy layup or short jump hook he would go for tip-ins that were constantly off the mark. Instead of backing people down like he should have he would take mid-range jumpers and far hooks. He’s a 7 footer who had either Jared Jefferies, David Lee, or freaking Wilson Chandler defending him, but he didn’t show up offensively or on the boards. If I was his family doctor I would prescribe him two testicles immediately.
#16
JChangNZ
01/14/09 03:27 AM
I think the problem lies with Coach Scott's rotation. I'm not complaining about our bench players but what I've noticed in the past few games is that Scott plays the starters, and then gradually puts the bench guys in. Eventually, we have a unit out there that could be considered as a second team. Now, I reckon the problem here is that when it comes time to resting the starters, we find ourselves having all bench players on the court and not many NBA teams do this. What you'll find that's common with other teams is that the coach will play a mixture of starters with their bench players. Simply having all bench players play against the opponent where their bench players are playing with two starters means we'll be outplayed. I don't know about you guys, but I really think teams where bench players get to play with starters perform a lot better than a team where the first five are in, get pulled out and the second five are put in.
Any thoughts?
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Niall Doherty
01/14/09 08:07 AM
@ AI: And that was one of Tyson's better performances this season. He hasn't been at all consistent this season, and it seems to be a focus issue.
@ JChang: Scott has admitted as much himself recently, so look for the starters to be mixed in more with the reserves on the road trip. I'm not a fan of his rotations so far this season. We have five main guys on the bench that are capable of helping us in the playoffs (Posey, Daniels, Armstrong, Peterson and Wright), but Byron isn't giving Peterson and Wright the minutes necessary in the regular season to be ready for the postseason.
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