This just in from NewsOK.com. More as I hear it.
The Thunder has acquired center Tyson Chandler from New Orleans in exchange for Chris Wilcox and Joe Smith, according to a league source with knowledge of the negotiations.
The Thunder will also include the draft rights to Devon Hardin, the 50th overall pick in the 2008 draft.
ESPN are reporting that deal has not yet been finalized, but is likely to be done later today. Update: ESPN says it's a done deal.
OKC blog Daily Thunder is also keeping a close eye on this story, so check there for additional updates. Earlier today Royce Young from Daily Thunder gave me his thoughts on the trade rumor:
This deal almost makes too much sense for Oklahoma City. It makes so much sense that I feel like the Hornets won't go for it. And it makes so much sense that I'd be willing to throw in a little more incentive as well. For the Thunder, they're desperately in need of a big man that rebounds and plays defense. Right now, Nick Collison is starting at center and is playing horribly out of position. He's a solid four, but for instance against the Lakers, Pau Gasol absolutely abused him. Nenad Krstic is a jump shooter and a decent post player but he's not an enforcer in the paint. OKC needs a guy like Chandler and New Orleans needs to dump a little salary. Makes sense. But are Joe Smith and Chris Wilcox enough for Tyson Chandler? I don't know but if I'm Sam Presti, I'm throwing one of OKC's many draft picks in there to sweeten the pot.
My initial thoughts: This really sucks, but I'm not sure Jeff Bower had much choice. With the economy the way it is, we were suddenly looking at a significant luxury tax penalty next season unless we could shed salary in a hurry. Tyson Chandler was our best trade chip due to his sizeable contract and the high demand for such a big man.
So the Hornets have acheived their goal of shedding salary. Joe Smith and Chris Wilcox come off the books this summer.
Of course, the real downside of this is that we definitely took a step back as a team. The Hornets' interior D was undeniably weak with Tyson out injured, and neither Smith nor Wilcox will be able to defend the paint quite like TC could. Offensively, that pair might combine to give us a few more points than Tyson, but my guess is that they won't be running the pick and roll with Chris Paul anywhere near as well as Tyson could.
What little faith I did have that the Hornets could compete for a championship this season? It's dead and gone.


63 fluffy comments post your own
YoungFella
02/17/09 12:54 PM
LOL. I laugh on the outside while I cry on the inside.
This season is over.
#1
oilcan
02/17/09 01:04 PM
I'm somehow still hoping this is all a bad joke :S
Stunned...i'm seriously stunned....
#2
Cablinasian
02/17/09 01:08 PM
This sucks. The Hornets get much, much worse, and the team that I can't stand gets much, much better.
I hate the fact that this makes Clay Bennett happy.
#3
Juff
02/17/09 01:17 PM
that's not the way you build a championship team.
CP3 will never win a title with the Hornets.
#4
yatpatel
02/17/09 01:20 PM
what a horrendous trade...Wilcox and Smith will both be gone next summer, and our starting center will be none other than...Hilton Armstrong, ladies and gentlemen!!! Coach Scott will have no choice but to continue to give Sean Marks and Melvin Ely major minutes (ugh)...OKC has like a million 1st rounders, how could we not even get one of those? Just an awful, awful trade
#5
mW
02/17/09 01:25 PM
this some reach around deal paying back OKC for temporary lodging? Because otherwise, unless this deal is a prelude to another deal, we have a glut of 3s and 4s. Horrible move from a team that before today could have contended.
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OregonCP
02/17/09 01:25 PM
This might be worse than trading Kobe for Vlade or when we wouldn't let Jordan own part of the team (eventually play)
WE just:
Lost a great center
Lost a possible championship
Lost playoffs ( easily could happen)
and we lost CP ever resigning again.
Basically we have 3 years to win a title and it's not lookin good with our big men
#7
otherMark
02/17/09 01:31 PM
Well, to look on the bright side, our normal (recent) lineup of 4 forwards + 1 pointguard just got a lot stronger. And picking up two Maryland players is personally kind of neat. (I was an undergrad who overlapped at UMd with both Joe Smith and Chris Wilcox [yes I was an undergrad for a very long time].)
Still, I can't help but think that there would be some merit in having a center -- a stance backed by the collective wisdom of every other basketball team, ever.
#8
Mark
02/17/09 01:36 PM
We got Melvin Ely x2 now?
Sad to see CFRM go, but I suppose this was business. He will be missed.
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mhartzold
02/17/09 01:43 PM
Aside from drafting CP, nearly every decision this front office has made has had negative consequences. Now, they've basically given away a 26yr. old, 7', Olympic alternate for 2 schlubs that mirror the 3 schlubs we already have and the draft rights to some 6'10" unknown, unproven rookie.
I'm willing to give these guys a chance and I'm not going to quit attending games just yet; the Arena is a 10 min. bike ride from my house. But, those driving in from the North Shore or further won't be as inclined to make the trip in, I can guarantee you that.
All the cap room in the World doesn't do a team any good without solid revenues. I don't pretend to know what goes on in the head of anyone else, but it seems to me that Bowers is an NBA GM first, and a Hornets' employee second. Playing ball within a circle of influence has probably bought him and his staff a few more years in the league, on another franchise striving for mediocrity and watching the bottom line above all else, even if it's not here. This is a horribly one sided trade and I can't believe we didn't get any draft picks. Aagggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...!!!!
#10
HornetsManiac27
02/17/09 01:49 PM
How quickly things change, huh? Last year was the best year of my life sports wise. This year? Well...this is just the icing on the cake.
GO HORNETS....yeah okay. The only place we're going is to a first-round playoff exit.
Oh and I can't wait for in a few years when everyone starts talking about where CP is gonna go...just like they do for LeBron and Wade now.
Sometimes you wonder exactly why you are such a die-hard fan of a team when this is how they reward you. It's just frustrating.
#11
Andrea
02/17/09 01:57 PM
This is horrible. We give up our best interior defender for 2 subpar defenders at best? I understand how the economic issues played a role in this, but was this the best deal available? Geez...poor Tyson, poor Hornets.
This is complete bullshit, man. Now Hilton's our starting center?!?!? He's definitely not ready to be a starting center in this league. Not to mention the fact that we gave up our only 7-footer. And this also means David West becomes our best interior defender and that just hurts, man. Hopefully, this isn't the end of our trades. Please tell me it's not the end. Maybe we can unload Mo or Julian for a 7-footer.
Other than what I typed, I'm at a loss for words.....
#12
Dariusz Ejkiewicz
02/17/09 02:08 PM
This ******* OKC nightmare will never end. First they snatch our team now they get one of the true centers in this league and we get even smaller than we were before. Once again we have a situation like 2 or 3 years ago where we had no center.
Now we can say that we actually sold one of the great SG shooters in the league for nothing. Joe Smith is just a proven veteran who was in million teams and Chris Wilcox is good but he is leaving this team after the season and we end up with nothing. ******* economy just killed one of the best pick and roll duos of the league. I can't believe that we actually pulled a trade that made our small team even smaller.
We will end in a buthole this season, and we are going nowhere, Sean Marks is not a starter, same shit was done last year with Jannero Pargo, wake up PEOPLE!! I just hate this trade. Even more than the day Glen Rice was sold, we just got ****** by the Okies who are building a contender and now will keep their youth of Westbrook/Durant/Green and add a big man in Chandler... Way to go Hornets you just made this game vs Thunder something that I will booo thousands of miles from the arena. Bullshit, I'm pissed.
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Caleb462
02/17/09 02:10 PM
This is disgusting! Ugh.
They basically just threw in the towel on this season. I understand the financial concerns, but there *had* to be another way... this was a stupid move. You don't trade a 7'1 guy away who can defend, rebound and slam down the alley-oop and is one of the best in the league at each of those things for... a couple of solid role players. Bah! I'm really upset. goodbye Crescent City Connection. Goodbye great Hornets team.
neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com #14
cassiusdiode
02/17/09 02:12 PM
What are the Hornets chances of making the playoffs now? 50-50?
How about getting out of the first round? Zero?
MoPete and Peja better net something good when they get traded in a few years or bye bye CP3.
#15
InsideHoops.com
02/17/09 02:15 PM
Tyson given away to save money.
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SavageHenry
02/17/09 02:19 PM
i've tried to find some silver lining in this, but i just can't. smith and wilcox aren't TERRIBLE, and ty has had a down year, after all. but seriously?
why not hold on to ty for the rest of the year, count on his play improving (which it should) and then trade him after the season, when you've at least made a decent postseason run? i don't see how this deal is beneficial. we'll still be paying smith/wilcox the same amount we were gonna pay tc this year anyway, and then they'll be gone. don't tell me we couldn't have gotten the equivalent to this deal in the offseason.
not even getting a first rounder from them is the worst part. i'm no financial expert, and i'm sure i'm missing something here--but i boo this move. big time.
best wishes ty. i hope you tear things up with westbrook, durant, green and co.
#17
Aaron
02/17/09 02:23 PM
I feel like everyone is overreacting for what Tyson gave us this year. I mean, he's giving us 8 & 8, and his best game of the year so far was the massive 10 & 14 he threw up on Dallas last month. He was nothing in Chicago, and he became something when he learned to play with Chris. The same will happen with Wilcox, who athletic and a better offensive player, and Joe Smith, who is a savvy veteran. I know we're worse defensively, but you have to admit Chandler wasn't the same this year as last year. And we'll have cap room next year to pursue a proper replacement, so it's not like we're annointing Hilton the savior. We weren't going to win the championship this year anyway. Chandler seems like a great guy, but he wasn't taking us to the promised land either.
#18
byronscott4
02/17/09 02:24 PM
Not happy at all. It was so much fun watching TC and CP3 operate last spring at the Target Center against the Wolves, it was lob after lob. That is done now. I hope Tyson's injury had nothing to do with this and wonder if they have any type of plan. When they sold their draft pick, they must have known they were chasing Posey so do they know who they are chasing now? Are they targeting someone else?
#19
Caleb462
02/17/09 02:28 PM
Why do people say he was nothing in Chicago? That's not true. He was a good rebounder and defender there too.. he hadn't hit his prime, was inconsistent, but his lesser stats can mostly be atrributed to the fact that he played 20-30 minutes a game in chicago as opposed to 30-40 in New Orleans. And yes playing with Chris Paul helps.
And its not about what Chandler has done this year... its what he has done and what he could continue to do once he got healthy again. Great big men are hard to come by... I just feel like we threw him away.
neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com #20
Caleb462
02/17/09 02:30 PM
And I know have to say I *Hate* the Posey acquisition... even though I'm a Posey fan. It feels like Posey for Tyson now... and that's not good.
neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com #21
Mikey
02/17/09 02:32 PM
There are now ping pong balls in the future of this team. I'm sure CP can't be too happy about this deal. Bower accomplished his goal of getting under the cap, but at what expense? I guarantee you this team will not have 8,000 season tickets sold next year. Now it's back to being scared we won't meet the attendance criteria and the team will leave New Orleans. Combine this news with Deuce getting cut from the Saints, this has to be the saddest day in New Orleans pro sports history.
#22
SavageHenry
02/17/09 02:32 PM
@ aaron: i agree with some of your points, but i think you're understating ty's impact defensively. with a healthy group, we were in great shape to take a seven game series over every western conference team outside of san antonio and l.a., and to beat them, you have to have someone to body up on gasol (and potentially bynum) and duncan. tyson was that person for us. espn's story on the trade has a nice stat--with tc we outscore opponents 95-92 on average. without him, it's a 95-95 tie.
and though i like your positive thinking in regards to the cap room available this offseason, there's nothing about this move that has me thinking they'll actually put it to good use. looks like a deal purely focused on saving the $$$.
but i will go along with your optimism on smith and wilcox. their PER's are close to ty's this year, and they both rebound better than most of what we presently have. wilcox is quite athletic, and from what i recall, smith has good range for a big man. hopefully they'll exceed expectations.
#23
Mikey
02/17/09 02:36 PM
@Aaron, what he gave us was an interior defense that was 3rd in the NBA for giving up points in the paint (33 per game). Without him its almost 10 points PER GAME more than that. Also, look at rebounding differential with him in the lineup versus without. Forget about how many rebounds he got himself. I think the Hornets still had a negative rebounding differential, but it was close to even with Tyson. On the other hand, there have been two or three games since Tyson went out that the Hornets gave up over 50 rebounds. That's sick.
#24
Mikey
02/17/09 02:38 PM
Well... all I can say, it's time for Byron Scott to earn his money. I'll withhold pre-mature judgement, and let the play speak for itself.
#25
flowerfeeder
02/17/09 02:38 PM
This is the most depressing news. DAMMIT!
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Borris Mart
02/17/09 02:40 PM
@ Caleb - completely agree on the Posey, TC dilemma. love pose but this hurts.
#27
thekourt
02/17/09 02:42 PM
What if we turn around and trade Wilcox, Smith, our first-rounder and Wright for Bosh? Toronto gets rid of Bosh's contract and gets a ton of space over the summer, we upgrade Chandler for Bosh and lose a year's salary. Then we dump salary in the summer to get under the cap.
It's not too late to save your season ticket base, Bower...
#28
Dariusz Ejkiewicz
02/17/09 02:45 PM
U can't trade a player you just bought. And all that shit about Bosh going away from Toronto is not going to happen.
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flowerfeeder
02/17/09 02:45 PM
That sounds like a plan, thekourt!!!!!!
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Andrea
02/17/09 02:49 PM
@Mikey: I've been in such shock that I haven't even had a chance to think about the rebounding. We are already the worse rebounding team in the league (IMO, it has little to do with the pace) and now we give up our best rebounder. Even though he was having a down year, he gave us 8.3 rpg. Wilcox and Smith combine for 9.8 rpg (Wilcox- 5.3, Smith- 4.5). We also lose 1 of 3 guys on this team, Marks and Paul the other 2, who actively go after rebounds instead of waiting for them to fall into their hands (i.e. West, Stojakovic, etc.).
We're 6th in the West right now, 3rd in our division with games vs. Orlando, at LAL, and at Utah (segababa) all in our first week without Chandler on the roster. We could be 10th in the West by Sunday morning. I'm not saying that we can't be successful after this trade, but given the fact that we have 2 guys who put up subpar numbers on a subpar team, it just doesn't seem likely. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
#31
Mikey
02/17/09 02:51 PM
Wow, I can predict the future. Here is a quote from my trade machine journal.
"We all need to keep in mind that there are two teams involved in every trade, the money has to match, and the proposal has to make sense to both sides. Trades like the Pau Gasol trade are the exception, not the norm. The Hornets are going to cut salary in order to get under the cap next season. Problem is, everyone and their grandma knows this. You can't really make many bargains or demands when you're faced with this coming desperate situation. Other teams don't want Mo Pete, they want Tyson, and the Hornets are in a bad negotiating position. If I was the GM another team, and had my choice of Mo Pete or Tyson, I know who I'd take."
I hate myself right now.
#32
YoungFella
02/17/09 02:55 PM
Here's the letter I just emailed to my ticket rep:
I want to write and express my sadness about this move. I don't understand how the Hornets front office can feel good about pulling the trigger on this. I fully understand the luxury tax and salary implications of why this deal was made, which is why I was so angry about our signing of James Posey this offseason. It is now accurate to say that 33 year old role player James Posey had a lot to do with the dumping of our 26 year old starting center Tyson Chandler. What were our high paid executives thinking? It did not require an abnormal amount of intelligence or foresight to play this scenario out. Posey was a ridiculous luxury that the Hornets could not afford. This was the equivalent of defaulting on a beautiful house (Chandler) because you decided to splurge on a 4th Porsche (Posey).
Further, how in the world could our GM not at least pry one of the half dozen or so 1st round draft picks that OKC has in their arsenal? I know it's ridiculous, but perhaps this is some sort of wink-nod payback to Oklahoma City for hosting the Hornets in 05 and 06 - the Thunder now have one of the most talented young rosters in the history of the NBA!
I hate to tell you, but if things remain as are, I will be dumping at least 4 of my season tickets next season. I feel betrayed, and I don't necessarily blame George Shinn. I blame the men he hired to steer this team who let us all down.
If you have any light to shed on this situation I'd appreciate it. If you would like to forward my email to anybody else in the organization please feel free. I am discouraged to say the least. The Hornets sold over 7,000 new season ticket holders on the pitch of what a fun 3 year run we'd have. Now less than 5 months into that run this team has apparently waived the white flag.
Respectfully,
#33
Caleb462
02/17/09 03:02 PM
Yeah - I really don't understand not getting a first-rounder in this deal. That is ridiculous.
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Erxxxleben
02/17/09 03:02 PM
We'll be fine, although it is a little bit unsettling to see so much concern for the money end of things, after we sold our draft pick last year.
#35
StefanC
02/17/09 03:06 PM
If Bower doesn't pull off another trade in the next 2 days, I will be extremely pissed off at this organization. He's too smart to just play us like that.
Oh & the idea of bosh makes me so happy. He's my favorite player outside of New Orleans.
CP3 to CB4 connection anyone??
#36
Mikey
02/17/09 03:08 PM
Ok, PJ Brown; now would be a good time to un-retire.
#37
Dave
02/17/09 03:13 PM
I just heard the news, wow, this deflating. How can you give up on a team that is so close to a title? A team's who's core is still fairly young and has several years to go after this.
This trade doesn't make any sense. I can understand the need for making financial savings, but with this deal the team doesn't gain enough flexibility to even threaten putting a contender on the floor for three years.
How you can waste that much time of Chris Paul's career? There's no guarantee they get an immediate fix at that point either, it could be another 1-2-3 years after that until the team gets the pieces together.
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YoungFella
02/17/09 03:28 PM
Dave you really summed it up well. This is wasting valuable time of CP3's career. It is a crime.
I'll say it again - it's not like Tyson was making $19 million a season and we had to shed a bad contract... he was fairly compensated, a great guy, and brought it for big games.
This was all because of stupid maneuvers by Bower and the front office. Peja, MoPete, James/Wells, Posey. All a bunch of static that detracted from the core pieces of a potentially championship trio of CP3/DX/TC.
I think I'm going to try to work really hard for the last 1.5 hours of the day and try to make something positive happen. Because I've already lost a lot of time mourning the death of the 2008-2011 Hornets.
#39
Juncti
02/17/09 03:43 PM
Why is other teams can keep a huge roster without financial problems?
Crescent City Connection is closed until further notice.
#40
Akademik_Hooligan
02/17/09 03:51 PM
To say that my blood is boiling at this move is an understatement. We couldn't wait until the summer?!
#41
Caleb462
02/17/09 04:00 PM
Is there any likelihood that the team makes another move in the next day or two that makes this one less painful? I'm guessing not.
neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com #42
LeoneL
02/17/09 04:11 PM
sad sad day...
i just hope joe smith can still play. could the hornets still make the playoffs this year?
jeff bower, i still have faith in you though.
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Caleb462
02/17/09 04:13 PM
"jeff bower, i still have faith in you though."
Really?
neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com #44
YoungFella
02/17/09 04:13 PM
Caleb, Chandler was really our only chip. That's why it's so painful that we didn't at least get 1 measly 1st rounder in the deal, or (better still) attached MoPete to the deal for another expiring.
#45
LeoneL
02/17/09 04:28 PM
really caleb...
i agree that bower could have at least demanded a 1st rounder from the thunder but i still believe that this move will work out well. if i'm wrong then i'm wrong. but i am not losing faith on someone who brought paul to the hornets.
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otherMark
02/17/09 04:31 PM
I'm not burning my season tickets yet. I am definitely skeptical of this move, but I'm not quite as pessimistic as most posters seem to be. Not to be a total polyanna, but Joe Smith and Chris Wilcox do bring some things we've been lacking. I think Smith can fill a PJ Brown-type role, he's solid offensively and defensively, and has a ton of experience. Chris Wilcox is more athletic than any other player the Hornets have: he's built like Ben Wallace and is an amazing leaper, so I'm confident that there will still be plenty of exciting alley-oops in games ahead. Basically, if it hadn't come at the expense of our most effective rebounder and interior defender, I'd be pumped to pick up these guys (again, I'm a Maryland alum, so feel free to deduct as much credibility as you like).
#47
Caleb462
02/17/09 04:37 PM
I like Smith and Wilcox too... they are not bad players and have useful skills. Smith was a star back in the day. But like you said... the price is too high, way too high.
neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com #48
LSUhornet
02/17/09 04:46 PM
Disappointing, but not the end of the world. Wilcox and Smith both are solid players, and I think Wilcox will probably be a better than average with starter's minutes and playing alongside CP. However, both players will be gone next year and we will have a gaping hole in the middle and very little, if any, money to work with. Unless we uncharacteristically (CP3 excluded) pick up a gem in the draft, our already weak frontcourt is even worse for next season. Good 5s are hard to come by and we are officially out of any consideration to contend for anything until we find long term replacement.
#49
CP3ISTHEMVP
02/17/09 05:22 PM
this is f@#@ing unbeliveble we finally get a team contending 4 a championship and jeff bower pulls a trade like this, i bet ya u show ur face @ todays game because you are gonna get booed out the stadium. Seasons over thats a wrap. lucky first round. im so over this s@%t
#50
CP3ISTHEMVP
02/17/09 05:26 PM
thanks 4 stopping by chris but we are gonna trade you for Eric Snow, breaking news everybody. 4 years and he is gone
#51
flowerfeeder
02/17/09 05:29 PM
They just ran a fluf piece on channel 4 news. The headline was "Hornets make a move to up their front court."
hahahahahaha
What a great spin.
They then showed Bower talking about how quantity is more valuable to them than quality at this point. No mention AT ALL of the real contract $$ issues.
www.myspace.com/noroomforsaints #52
Dariusz Ejkiewicz
02/17/09 05:33 PM
Youngfella, I love your email... Although I would rather not read it and not see this actual case exist here... But it does and right now after a couple of hours I still feel like hit in the stomach.
www.ejkiewicz.com #53
mW
02/17/09 05:53 PM
@ Darius: it's like getting punched in the stomach AFTER getting broken up with unexpectedly.
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Mark
02/17/09 05:54 PM
This is more of an emotional reaction than anything, I'd say. The trade doesn't benefit us from first glance, but I don't see how CP can't incorporate even the most useless kid into an effective player.
Sad trade, but not apocalyptic, other than the fact that we didn't get a draft pick.
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DemonDeaconHead
02/17/09 06:00 PM
I am so depressed. CP3 is capable of making the ridiculous possible, so maybe he elevates Wilcox and Smith...who am I kidding. If anyone can, he can, but I think the Hornets are done. As in, done for the title race, one-and-done in the playoffs, and once CP3 bolts as soon as he can and the team goes in the tank, and revenues plummet, done in The Big Easy. This sucks. Posey for Pargo and a 1st is something I wasn't totally comfortable with, but Posey for Pargo, a 1st, AND Chandler? Crap. Here's to having killer expirings in 3 years. That we will keep to let expire. Crap.
#56
Caleb462
02/17/09 06:01 PM
It's not going to absolutely kill the team.... no, but I'm pretty sure it erases any chance of us getting to the WCF. Which was basically the goal this season...
We all know that if Paul/West/Chandler remained healthy over the next 30 games that the team could finish strong and make noise in the playoffs... now even the playoffs are in doubt.
neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com #57
bigindian15
02/17/09 06:08 PM
Ok my first comment here. I've been wanting to sign up and start commenting because I read this blog all the time, but I'm too lazy. But I think I have the voice of reason:
This really isn't a disaster. I mean, yeah, Chandler was good, but he was underachieving this time and the way he was playing, he wasn't worth $12 million. Remember, before last year (and the last half of the previous year), he was always the dude who underachieved. How do we know that last year wasn't an abberation?
@OregonCP:
Chandler wasn't a "Great center." He was good and did what we needed, but we can find that again. The only reason we loved him so much was because of the alley-oops from CP.
We didn't lose a possible championship. Even with Chandler and with everyone playing at their absolute best, we weren't beating LA or San Antonio this year, and maybe even Utah if they get healthy. It just wasn't gonna happen.
Don't think we'll miss the playoffs. The Suns are garbage and if one fringe team falls out, we won't have a problem.
Why is CP leaving just because we dumped one overpaid guy (albeit CP's boy) in a really bad economy. Why do we have 3 years to win a title? CP is what, 23? Do you really see CP as the LeBron-type to just bolt for the money (if LeBron actually does that)?
I mean, really, stop taking this all out on George Shinn and the GM. It's not like the Hornets are the only team trying to shed salary. If the Hornets were second in the west now and Chandler was playing great, I don't think there would have been the crazy urge to dump salary because we know that the playoffs and sold out crowds bring more money than dumping a salary would have. I mean, yeah we would have loved to dump Peja's or Mo Pete's salary, but no team in their right minds wants Mo Pete right now. We are stuck with him until 2011 when he has an expiring deal.
Also, Chris Wilcox and Joe Smith aren't exactly on the Melvin Ely scale of Suck. Take a look at Wilcox's numbers from the last few seasons and they are decent enough for a starting center. He could average something like 14/8 for us, which is better than Chandler was giving us. And if David West gets off his fat butt and starts playing half a minute of defense every quarter, our defense won't suffer too bad.
Joe Smith isn't exactly a scrub either. There's a reason he was the guy the Celtics and Spurs were targeting as their veteran buy-out guy to add. Dude was a former #1 pick. He has a lot of great post moves. He can step out and hit the J, so they can run some of the same sets they run with DW. He also played big minutes down the stretch last year with the Cavs for the same reasons; he's a savvy vet who can be big.
I mean, who would we rather have THIS season? Chandler giving 8/8/1 and getting injured every now and then and getting thrown out every damn time we play Portland (definitely would be a problem in the playoffs) with Marks as our primary backup big, or Wilcox giving 14/7 (approx) and Joe Smith as our backup big?
Last point: just because the guy owns an NBA team doesn't mean he isn't also hurting right now. Don't blame him for cutting salary. We would all do the same thing in his position with this team. EVERY team that doesn't have a chance to win a title in the next couple years is cutting contracts.
#58
Caleb462
02/17/09 06:15 PM
Chandler was having an off year... but I think that was primarily health-related. He wasn't just great last year, he was great the year before that (12+ rebounds is great no matter how you slice it)
. And he was pretty solid in Chicago too but just didn't get the minutes that he has gotten in new orleans.
Replacing a 7 foot guy who can rebound and defend as well as Tyson will not be easy. I'm not saying Smith and Wilcox can't do some things for this team, I'm sure they can and will - as AtTheHive discusses they may help the offense out considerably. But I just dont think its worth the price... a bad move in my opinion. And I find it very hard to believe that George Shinn is "hurting," I really, really do...
neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com #59
mW
02/17/09 08:15 PM
You know, the Hornets could save a lot of money if they signed me as their center. I'd take the League minimum. Seriously. I would.
www.hornetshype.com #60
mitch
02/17/09 10:10 PM
In my opinion we could have gotten so much for for Tyson than Wilcox and Smith. However, I'm giving these guys a chance to play and see how they fit in with the team before I call this season a failure. Perhaps Bower has another trade for a big man up his sleeve, but even if he dosen't, you can't call the season over until you see how they play with the team.
#61
nikkoewan
02/17/09 11:33 PM
I'm from outside the US(philippines), but am a die hard hornets fan. This trade was bad because we could not get a 1st round pick from the OKC. when i read the rumors, i remember a chandler for wilcox smith and first rounder next draft. how come it became a chandler for wilcox smith and a unknown guy from neverland? pls tell this is not true.
#62
LeoneL
02/19/09 09:34 AM
and tyson is back!!!
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