I think I've wallowed enough now. I'm not going to rip Shinn or Bower in this post. I'm not happy with what happened, but I don't have anything to say about it that hasn't been said in a dozen other places. It's time to move on and get to what we received and how it impacts the team. In other words, it's time to take refuge in numbers.
The first thing you have to remember is that Chandler, when he wasn't missing games, was actually playing fairly poorly. Chandler has only been in double figures in rebounding 13 times all season, he's missed 18 games, and his offense has been down and he's only been in double digit scoring 16 times this season. His rebounds per 40 minutes have been the worst he's ever averaged - even worse than his rookie year. There have been a lot of reasons given for this - his baby being born, his family being in California, his earlier knee injury - but the fact remains, he's been having a terrible, terrible year.
So let's just start with the general numbers around Chandler, Wilcox, Joe Smith, Sean Marks, Hilton Armstrong and Melvin Ely. I'll also throw in David West so you can get an idea of how he looks in comparison as well. I used rates for rebounding and turnovers, because a player on a team with 50 misses per game is going to collect more rebounds per game than one on a team with 40 misses per game. Off Reb Rate means what percentage of availble offensive rebounds does the player get. Turnover Rate is the % of the time a player has the ball that they turn it over.
| Player | Points /40 | eFG% | Off Reb Rate | Def Reb Rate | Steals /40 | Blocks /40 | Turnover Rate | PER |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| David West | 21.1 | 47.1% | 5.8% | 18.9% | 0.7 | 1.0 | 8.9% | 18.78 |
| Tyson Chandler | 11.3 | 56.3% | 13.4% | 18.4% | 1.0 | 1.8 | 14.5% | 14.17 |
| Chris Wilcox | 17.3 | 48.5% | 10.9% | 22.0% | 0.4 | 0.7 | 14.2% | 13.56 |
| Joe Smith | 13.8 | 45.9% | 8.2% | 18.1% | 0.5 | 1.5 |
5.0% | 13.43 |
| Sean Marks |
9.7 |
43.6% | 9.2% | 19.0% | 0.4 | 1.6 | 11.9% | 9.33 |
| Hilton Armstrong | 11.9 |
50.0% | 9.2% | 12.7% | 1.0 | 1.7 | 21.4% | 9.03 |
| Melvin Ely | 10.8 | 35.3% | 8.5% | 11.6% | 0.3 | 1.4 | 16.9% | 5.86 |
Rebounding Evaluation
This, of course, has been one of the Hornet's weaknesses all season, and one you would think would be exacerbated by the loss of Chandler. That, however, is not really the case. So far this season Wilcox has been just as good of a rebounder overall as Tyson Chandler. Yes, he's not as good as crashing the offensive boards, but he's currently much better than Chandler this season as a defensive rebounder.
That, however, is not the biggest boost the Hornets get from this trade. They will no longer have to rely on Hilton Armstrong or Melvin Ely for anything with Joe Smith in the fold. Those two guys are some of the weakest rebounders in the league at their positions - and their other talents don't even come close to compensating for their weakness on the boards. Joe Smith and Sean Marks will be able to form a pair of pretty solid rebounders off the bench - something we've needed desperately.
Scoring Evaluation
Wilcox also scores more - though less efficiently - than Tyson Chandler. I must point out, however, that Chandler's most efficient basket - accounting for about 66% of his offense, is catching and finishing the pick and roll with Paul. If Wilcox's shooting percentage doesn't climb when he's paired with Paul, I'll be pretty stunned.(especially considering this is his worst shooting % of his career)
Overall, Chandler and Wilcox's PERs - from both last year and this year - are only slightly different, with Chandler edging him by less than a point in each situation. If Wilcox, given a bigger role since he's not giving up minutes to a young player like Jeff Green the Thunder are trying to develop, returns to form, the loss of Chandler will be greatly mitigated.
And again, Joe Smith and Sean Marks(who has been producing a PER of 13.6 since being used exclusively at center) are much better third and fourth big than Armstrong and Posey/Ely, which we've been relying on since Chandler went down.
Oh - and just the thought of going from Hilton Armstrong's League Leading-almost worst ever 21% turnover rate to Joe Smiths 5% makes me a happy man.
Defense
Here's the problem, of course. Tyson's height and athleticism makes him a good defender on other big players - and quick enough to contest driving guards. He will be missed, no question.
Straight up defense, of course, is hard to quantify. There are some numbers you can get that attempt to quantify a player's defense, and here are some of I feel have the least major issues. These quantify the PER of a player when playing a certain position - and defending a certain position. Of course, they are a bit wonky, because switches happen all the time, and Antonio Daniels is trying to stop a fast player from getting into the paint is quite different than Chris Paul - which means Hilton has to help more - which leaves his player open for putbacks etc. Anyways, here they are. I'm giving how each player performs as a Center or Power Forward - and how their opponent did, using PER as a measure.
| Player | PER as a Center | Opposing Center PER | PER as a Power Forward | Opposing Power Forward PER |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| David West | 24.8 | 19.6 | 19.6 | 16.5 |
| Tyson Chandler | 15.8 | 15.2 | n/a | n/a |
| Chris Wilcox | 14.6 | 21.5 | 16.4 | 12.3 |
| Joe Smith | 16.7 | 19.7 | 13.9 |
15.6 |
| Sean Marks | 10.3 | 15.0 | 11.3 | 22.0 |
| Hilton Armstrong | 10.7 | 20.2 | 8.8 | 18.9 |
| Melvin Ely | 8.0 | 17.4 | n/a | n/a |
Obviously, Tyson is better than either of the guys we just obtained at stopping centers, neither of whom do well at that position. The good news, is once again we can send Hilton and Melvin Ely to the end of the bench and stop relying on them.
Final Evaluation
Byron Scott will now have the choice of running Sean Marks or Wilcox out next to David West. Both have their benefits - Marks let West stay at his natural Power Forward position, and like I said earlier, Marks has been posting a 13.6 PER since Tyson went down and he exclusively played the center spot. Marks is also our most capable defender of opposing centers.(15.0 PER for opposing centers)
Still - our best option, strangely enough, may be to roll out a starting frontcourt of West and Wilcox. No, West isn't very good at stopping centers, but when you put him close to the basket, he's a much more focused rebounder and efficient scorer. Wilcox, of course, is a much better defender when trying to stop Power Forwards than when trying to stop centers. It may just be best to let West and Wilcox - since they can't stop their opponents - to try and outscore them, which they are capable of doing.
For now, however, I think Byron will stick with Marks at center, since he knows the team. Predicted depth chart for now:
C: Marks\Smith\Armstrong
PF: West\Wilcox\Smith
SF: Peja\Posey\Wright
SG: Butler\Brown\Wright
PG: Paul\Daniels\Brown
In the end, that's not a terrible line up. Is a championship line-up? I actually feel its closer than what we had with Tyson playing at his current level.
I won't talk about next year, however. Maybe something will happen over the summer we can't predict.
Enjoy the game tonight - hopefully we'll surprise the Magic.


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ticktock6
02/18/09 02:53 PM
Ryan,
I crawled to the edge of my ledge and peered down the ladder. I'm not moving, but at least I see the ladder. Thank you for this post.
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Niall Doherty
02/18/09 03:50 PM
I was waiting for this. Very nice analysis, Ryan. A lot of reassuring points made there.
My biggest concern with losing Tyson is slowing guys like Duncan, Gasol, Nowitzki, Garnett, etc. Tyson was able to make life difficult for those guys. Not all the time, sure, but enough to give us an edge for stretches.
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SavageHenry
02/18/09 04:01 PM
Excellent post, indeed. I tend to agree with the opinion that we'll be fine in the regular season, but struggle once playoff time rolls around. Hopefully Wilcox and Smith will acclimate to the team quickly.
Also, not sure if this is the place to address this, but did everyone see that Randolph only got 2 games from the league? This baffles me. A face to face punch after a play is over is only worth one game more than D-Wests foul? Whatever. I will toast TC many times over the coming days. Stu Jackson....not so much.
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mW
02/18/09 04:13 PM
I too appreciate the need to move on, but I simply can't agree that we are a better team at all. Honestly, we all know that as CP, DX, and our shooters go, so goes the team. On offense. We are way worse now on D and it will be up to Byron to figure out how to save the season. I think any improvement we show from here on out will be on CP and DX. Let's hope the organization gives them some assurance beyond the bogus PR campaign that they intend to do so.
People don't understand Nola, because they don't understand how a place can have a soul. This team was the same way. Bower may need to crunch numbers, but this fanbase could practically feel the championships that would have cone from a young, under contract core. It wasn't homerism, it was some base instinct that is the result of cosmic alignment, call it soul, karma, fate, or whatever. That Shinn couldn't see that doesn't bode well. This may be an odd basketball observation, but I believed it. New Orleans believed it. Shame the decisionmakers didn't.
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Mikey
02/18/09 04:21 PM
I've been delighted with the way Marks has played center, given the fact that he's a 9-year vet that has never logged significant minutes at that position, or any position for that matter. I'll take a 13+ PER since playing excluisively at center. It also appears that his conditioning is as good as it's ever been, which says alot for a 33 year old that isn't used to this kind of workload. The guy works hard, and has adjusted his game to fit the team. What can I say? I'm a fan. I also totally agree about Armstrong and Ely. Those guys just need to don street clothes for the rest of the season. At least Marks will take it to the hole and draw fouls, whereas Ely will clang an off-balance hook shot and Hilton will do about 9 shot-fakes and then get blocked.
All that said, who else thinks Dwight Howard can get 40 rebounds tonight? I think he's got a legit shot at it.
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thekourt
02/18/09 05:15 PM
Also, why is the assumption made that we will definitely lose Wilcox this summer? Every report I've read suggests that teams are trying to shed contracts like hot potatoes. (Note, it's the first entry on the Magic blog right now.) Anybody with any money wants to save it for the Free Agent Class of 2010. There are plenty of clearly better free agent bigs who will be available in 2009 (Bass and Boozer are two) for the few teams looking to add any salary at all. How will Wilcox will be able to get more than 5-6 million from the open market in this environment? He didn't get a glamorous contract when Seattle extended him last time around. If we could keep Wilcox for 50% of Chandler's contract and he shows the least bit of work ethic, that seems like that could even be an upgrade going forward.
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Mikey
02/18/09 05:41 PM
That's a good point, he's not $6.7 million per year good. We may be able to schmooz the guy with a midlevel exception (which is about all we can offer next season) I'm gonna wait for Ryan's post on what the Hornets can do in the offseason. We all know it's coming, and it will probably be a little depressing. Some big guys that will be available next season include the likes of Wilcox and David Lee.... I have a feeling they will both be too expensive for the Hornets to aquire, but you never know.
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Andrea
02/18/09 05:53 PM
I don't believe that we're a better team, but you have to play the hand that you're dealt. I like Marks at center over Hilton at this point. He's played surprisingly well with all the injuries. Like Niall said, it's guarding the guys like Duncan, Yao, Dirk, and Pau that we have to worry about. The one thing that'll be interesting is to see if any of the players step up (excluding DW, CP, and Peja) now that Tyson's gone. You never know what might happen when you trade away one of your best players. It's painful, but I'm attempting to be optimistic.
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Apple
02/18/09 06:38 PM
I love Tyson Chandler. I think he's a sweetheart of a guy. He has a beautiful smile. I have his autograph.
But, what's the use of talking about him as if he was playing like he did last year. He just isn't. He's always out with a boo-boo, isn't playing well when he is in a game... how is that going to help us in the playoffs? We can't assume he'll be back at his old form like magic.
If we are to go forward we had to make a change. And as much as we hate it, the bottom line is always what counts. I hope these guys make a difference and bring us to the top.
Tyson is gone now...but it's not like he was really here this year.
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byronscott4
02/18/09 10:01 PM
Trade rescinded as of 9:50 pm, guess we can forget about it?
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