Unlike last season, which ended with happiness, hope and high expectations for the next year, this season ended with disappointment, pessimism and a spectacular disaster. Things had gotten so bad over the past month or so that I'll admit I felt a weird sort of relief when the Hornet's lost last night. Sad, but true.
The ending left enough of a bad taste in my mouth that I'm probably going to skip putting together a comprehensive review of the highs(there were some) and lows of the season. Niall may do one, but if one of you wants to put something balanced together(emphasis on balanced), I'd encourage it and be happy to put it on the main page as a feature. Let us know if you're up for it in the comments or in an email.
For me, I prefer to look ahead. There is no question that changes need to be made. However, it is also true that the pessimistic views of the Hornet's future are greatly overblown.(As is normal when a team fails spectacularly in trying to meet high expectations.)
So in the next couple days I'm going to start a series about what I'm hoping will happen with the team over the next four months. I'll be trying to produce the following posts, in pretty much this order, over the next couple weeks:
- Coaching Evaluation: My take on Byron Scott
- Front Office Evaluation: My take on Jeff Bower
- Salary/Luxury Tax Situation: Sorting out just what has to happen to make this team viable. There are a lot of misconceptions about Shinn's willingness to spend and why certain trades are floated, so I think this one is important.
- Roster Evaluation/Player Values: A little distance from Game 4 will make this be a lot more realistic.
- Team Needs: This may be fairly extensive. Boo.
- Trade Thoughts: I'll try to shy away from specific scenarios since those things are so speculative. I will, of course, have some examples, but will try more to focus on types of players rather than specific trades.
- The Draft: I'll do what I can to review our options. Having watched very, very little college ball this year, however, it'll be mostly stat-based and drawn from the opinions of various experts.
- Free Agency: Despite the cap inflexibility, I think this will be more important than you'd think.
If there is anything else you'd like me to address - feel free to put it in the comments, and I'll do what I can. I hope we can keep the off-season a little more interesting than it typically is.
I'd also like to say thanks to all of you who kept showing up and reading our site all season long. We had a good 50%-75% increase in the traffic we were seeing each month over last year, which is pretty exciting, and greatly appreciate the support.
A special thanks to all of you who comment. You make doing this infinitely more rewarding and enjoyable.
Thanks again,
Ryan


92 exceptional comments post your own
bigindian15
04/30/09 03:41 PM
Question: when can teams officially start trading, after the season, after the draft, or just whenever their individual seasons end?
#1
benreed1088
04/30/09 04:00 PM
trade types: slasher(consistent free throw attempts can create own shot), shot blocking center
#2
benreed1088
04/30/09 04:04 PM
for my trade type slasher i propose bonzi wells lol
#3
Andrea
04/30/09 04:34 PM
Bigindian15: I think teams can start trading the day free agency begins (July 1)
I'm not sure exactly what we direction we'll go in yet but we'll have the 21st pick so I'm not sure if we'll get someone who can step in right away and help. I guess we'll know who might be traded by who we draft.
Speaking of the draft, if anyone's interested in mock drafts (which I find interesting but useless) here's a link to to an NBA mock draft database: http://walterfootball.com/nbadraftdata.php.
Some of the recent mocks have us taking guys like PG Patrick Mills (St. Mary's), G/F Chase Budinger (Arizona), PF DeJuan Blair (Pitt), and PF Patrick Patterson (Kentucky) just to name a few.
#4
bigindian15
04/30/09 04:44 PM
I think DeJuan Blair would be great, and maybe Jodie Meeks in the second round if he falls enough
#5
QueenBee
04/30/09 05:10 PM
I just came across this while doing a search on Bower's last contract signing and got a nice little chuckle out of it. My, how things change.
http://www.hornets247.com/blog/2008/10/20/celebrating-the-new-orleans-hornets-gm-jeff-bower
#6
Niall Doherty
04/30/09 05:26 PM
@ QueenBee: Nice find. I'm guessing Ryan will cringe a few times reading back over that.
Regarding trades, I believe teams can start again once the Finals are over. I know it has to be before July 1 because teams are always trading players and picks leading up to the draft.
www.ndoherty.com #7
QueenBee
04/30/09 05:43 PM
@Niall, we were all pretty much flying high going into this season.
#8
Paula
04/30/09 05:53 PM
Ryan: I am the national sports examiner at examiner.com and I just posted an article about speculation here in Los Angeles about Scott's potential as a Phil Jackson replacement. It has been hot on local radio here since early this week. Not saying the Hornets are interested to deep-six good old Byron but if Phil blows town after the playoffs there is tremendous sentiment for his replacement to be the ex-Laker. What do you think? http://tinyurl.com/czjs9h
#9
QueenBee
04/30/09 06:21 PM
A rumor about Scott coaching the Lakers started at the beginning of this season. Somewhere around November actually.
#10
QueenBee
04/30/09 06:22 PM
Here's the article actually...
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/nov/13/sports/spw-lakers13
#11
Niall Doherty
04/30/09 06:24 PM
@ Paula: Thanks for the link. Honestly, I think the Lakers would be making a huge downgrade if they went from Phil Jackson to Byron Scott as head coach. Phil runs a complex offensive system and develops role players very well, while Byron lacks those two skills. With Byron at the helm, I can imagine Kobe Bryant trying to make everything happen off the pick and role while his teammates spread the floor and hoped for a kick out. As a Hornets fan I'd like to see the Lakers go that route because it would make them much less of a threat in the Western Conference.
@ everyone: I just posted the P.M. updates in the final news wrap. Check it out:
http://www.hornets247.com/blog/2009/04/30/hornets-vs-nuggets-thursday-news-wrap
www.ndoherty.com #12
bigindian15
04/30/09 06:49 PM
@Niall: let's be honest, going from Phil to just about anyone would be a huge downgrade. The only guy I can think of at his level is Popovich, and maybe Larry Brown.
Actually, in LA, I don't think Byron would be such a disaster, because they don't really have young guys to develop, unless you count Bynum and Farmar who already have some experience (oh, and Adam Morrison LOL). Besides, they are a veteran team, and at the end of the day, Kobe will take over and score how he wants and it will work. But then, as their current roster is set, they really need the Triangle, and that's not what he runs. Byron runs more of a Dot.
The Kings are also really really interested in Byron if he leaves because he used to be a Kings assistant under Adelman and he says he would love to coach in Sac town. I'd be fine with that. Personally, my fingers are still crossed for Adelman. Go Blazers!
#13
QueenBee
04/30/09 06:56 PM
Imagine everyone's face if Scott were indeed fired and replaced with some 'interim' type coach. Actually all I'm really saying is "be careful what you ask for".
#14
Niall Doherty
04/30/09 07:01 PM
@ bigindian15: "But then, as their current roster is set, they really need the Triangle, and that's not what he runs. Byron runs more of a Dot." That made me laugh out loud. Good point about anyone being a huge downgrade after Phil Jackson. I can just see Laker fans ending up very disappointed with Byron Scott though.
@ QueenBee: That's my hesitation with jumping fully on the "fire Byron" bandwagon. It's only worth swallowing his contract if we can get an obvious upgrade as a replacement, and that's unlikely to happen, especially with the money Shinn would have to offer.
www.ndoherty.com #15
HornetVan
04/30/09 07:26 PM
Why is it people realize tht PEJA ain't going anywhere? Nobody wants a 14M & 15M year old-grandpa who is hurt 3/4th of every year
#16
TheKeyMaster
04/30/09 07:30 PM
@Ryan
I would like to see you speculate on if we do have a coaching change what type of offensive scheme we should run with CP. Because obviously running a pick n roll constantly or just having people stand around or just pass to David West isn't the answer. I know you didn't want to talk about specific trade speculation and i doubt any of these speculations are very likely to happen but i would possibly like to see the Hornets maybe try to pry Heinrich away from the Bulls as a backup pg and sg. I know his contract is spendy but I think he would be an awesome addition, also maybe try to trade for Outlaw or Fernandez from the Blazers. And as bad as I thought it sounded at first I don't think trading for Shaqtus would be that bad of an idea, b/c we would have a solid post up guy even if he would only play like 60 games and that would be an expiring contract we would have to try to sign the likes of Chris Bosh. Could you imagine a front court with West and Bosh? If they doubled either one we would score almost every time. Oh well just thought I'd put my two cents in and yes I too was sort of sadly relieved by the season's demise.
KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!
#17
TheKeyMaster
04/30/09 07:32 PM
Maybe Peja would be open to a buyout? too bad Isaiah Thomas isn't the Knicks GM anymore, we could unload Peja and Mopete(not that Mo is bad but if we won't use him why pay him) for like 3 first round picks with David Lee and Wilson Chandler. I miss the good ol' times when the Knicks made the Clips look like the Spurs...
#18
QueenBee
04/30/09 07:34 PM
@Niall, that's exactly what I'm talking about on the coaching thing.
Who knows? For all we know, next year we could have a 2007-08 Peja. And then he'll suck again in 2010-11. After the 06-07 season and after the surgery, we didn't think he'd be all that good going into the 07-08 season but we were pleasantly surprised. The best thing we all can do is hope for a healthy Peja so he can earn his paycheck.
#19
TheKeyMaster
04/30/09 08:03 PM
? non basketball related does anyone watch "Meet the Browns" or "House of Payne", because i've never heard anyone say they've watched either one, and i've never witnessed an episode on t.v. i think it is all just an elaborate hoax by TBS. plus hawthoRNe get it....she's an RN (insert fart noise here)
#20
bigindian15
04/30/09 08:40 PM
@TheKeyMaster: Why on earth would Peja take a buyout? No one in his right mind would give up the $45 mil that he has coming to him. Our best hope is to the Clips for a second round pick lol
I think Peja is still tradeable if included with another piece (like West) because, while he was injured this season, he showed at times that he still has something left, and he's still one of the best and most feared shooters in the game when healthy. He can really help a team spread the floor. Either someone with a really good pg or big man. Unfortunately, I can't think of any teams with those who could use him.
First choice would be Orlando, but they already have 2 oversized 3's who shoot well
Boston has its own salary/injury issues and great wings
Chicago has too many guys, and I don't think they'd want Peja anyway
Utah...I don't think he'd fit their system
Can't think of anyone else off the top of my head. I think our best bet is Detroit
#21
bigindian15
04/30/09 08:40 PM
Also, both those shows suck
#22
QueenBee
04/30/09 09:02 PM
I've watched a couple of episodes of House of Payne. It's ok. Some of the issues addressed on the show are serious.
#23
QueenBee
04/30/09 09:06 PM
$45mil? I thought Peja has about $29 or $30mil coming to him over the next 2 years.
#24
Dmon3k
04/30/09 09:11 PM
Anyone have ESPN insider or news on this Pistons pursing D West thing?
#25
Ryan Schwan
04/30/09 09:37 PM
It's speculation Dmon3k. It's a writer stating "Dumars has cap space. Hornets only want to slash payroll. Dumars will take West because they want him, and the Hornets don't want anything but to slash payroll."
www.hornets247.com #26
nikkoewan
04/30/09 10:23 PM
i have posted a 2009 10 offseason plan for the hornets. check it out at the hive. i didnt cover trading that much, but with regards to making very sound and simple trades( like Peja - Dalembert) or drafting and signing. I also would like to see Byron get another shot with a healthy roster. We are so badly hurt right now( check out the Spurs). The problem is I cant see any team wanting any of our players except for West(pls no), TC(pls no), Butler, Hilton and Brick Brown(expiring contracts). the only trades I can see is all of our expiring contracts for Hinrich( and mix and match salaries). I'll do a comprehensive research on this and post it at the hive( i dont know how to post here. LOL)
#27
nikkoewan
04/30/09 10:26 PM
oops, forgot to add daniels
#28
bigindian15
05/01/09 12:09 AM
Pistons apparently wants him because they want a good, physical post player, and West fits that if they can't pry Bosh from the Raptors, which they probably can't. Also, they probably prefer West over Boozer (because of injury history) and Millsap (because West has a more refined game)
#29
benreed1088
05/01/09 02:29 AM
free agents cannot be signed until a week after the draft. you can trade signed players but not free agents i believe
#30
ticktock6
05/01/09 09:07 AM
While cooking jambalaya, mW and I came up with a brilliant 4-move plan to instantly spruce up the roster and get younger. Unfortunately.... this morning I can't remember it.
hornetshype.com #31
bigindian15
05/01/09 11:09 AM
@ticktock: umm, what exactly was in this "jambalaya" you were "cooking?"
#32
BeesGivingEffort
05/01/09 11:48 AM
Please Please Please do not trade Big Game James. I'm sorry but that man is an absolute warrior who constantly has his head in the game whether he is hitting shots or not. Best of all he looks like he enjoys bringing his game to the table every game. Big Game James was the only person in the playoffs worth the money we were paying him. (Stein said a rival West exec thought they might try to trade him.)
Everyone else is expendable imo. Package JuJu, Hilton, Mo, DW with TC and Peja if you need to. I would prefer not trading Butler but I have a feeling he is actually one of our few assets teams would actually want.
Go after Tayshaun and Rip please. We need slashers and people that can create their own offense to compliment Mr. Paul. Maybe MoPete, Hilton, JuJu, Peja for Rip and Tay?
NO MORE SELLING FIRST ROUND PICKS. We could have Mario Chalmers as our backup PG right now for about 2million a year. Draft picks in the NBA are the best bang for your buck possible as the contracts are fixed cap, low, and normally 3-5 years.
#33
BeesGivingEffort
05/01/09 12:04 PM
I know people will disagree with me on Posey but I just have this feeling with the right starting lineup Posey would flourish and that his play/impact was underrated this year.
There are other intangibles. How well did the people Posey was guarding do against him in the first round? I very rarely saw BGJ getting beat and typically people didn't even try to shoot over him. He gets in people's heads as an elite defender and not in a Dahntay Jones way.
Posey was the man on the boards when we needed it this season.
For all the people that want to think getting rid of Pargo and signing Posey was a mistake. I do not think Pargo would have made a bigger difference this season. Remember early in the season Posey kept up afloat a couple games. He was the difference in game 3. Posey won us ballgames also and brings intangibles to the games he's not having an offensive impact in.
Pargo was overrated. Everyone has a mancrush on him because we were worse this year than last year and he was the only piece missing that got actual PT last year. He shot 40% from the field which is pretty awful. Did not get the others from the bench involved. His D was ok and he could shoot us back into games occasionally, but also shot us out of games occasionally too.
We won 7 less games than last year with a HUGE amount of injuries. The rest of the west minus the lakers didn't fair much better record-wise. How can you expect a team without its big man and no backup bigs to flourish? Look at the rest of the playoff teams and their bigmen. Bynum/Gasol (Gasol/Odom when bynum is hurt. Odom was a beast in the SL.) Yao/Scola, Aldridge/Oden, Nene/Martin/Andersen, Duncan/Thomas (Duncan hurt), Dirk/Dampier, Boozer/crap sub(went down in 5 to LA w/out Okur), and try not to laugh Marks/West. Notice, the crappiest of the bigmen are now done and look at what is left. Lakers/Rockets/Mavs/Nuggets.
KEEP BGJ!
#34
QueenBee
05/01/09 12:10 PM
Why get rid of Julian? We keep saying we need to get younger and more athletic so why get rid of Julian? Hilton is young too but for reason he can't seem to put it all together. He needs a better big man coach. People talking about CP remaining a Hornet yet they want to blow up the entire roster while including the 2 players he hoped that would remain when he took his new contract into consideration. Now of course we all know winning is the most important to CP and if Tyson's ankle will not get better than of course he'll understand that if the guy can't help him and the team then it's best he goes elsewhere but why get rid of his 17 foot assassin if he's healthy and is still able to play? And yes, I do think Pargo would've made a difference this season. Maybe not so much a difference as to the Hornets going on to win a championship but the guy was never injured and has done more than either Mike James or Antonio Daniels. He played decent defense in that he was able to stay in front of his man and he gave quick points off the bench when needed.
#35
bigindian15
05/01/09 12:42 PM
"Maybe MoPete, Hilton, JuJu, Peja for Rip and Tay?"
UMMM why on Earth would the Pistons EVER do that????? That's 2 really bad contracts, one bust, and one question mark for an all star and a lock down defender. The only way we're getting Rip and Tayshaun is by trading D West. Also, Rip is like 32 and has like 4 years left on his contract. His game is built on speed and athleticism. I really don't wanna risk having him grow old on us...
#36
Caleb462
05/01/09 12:49 PM
"but I just have this feeling with the right starting lineup Posey would flourish "
He absolutely would... I don't think there's any question about that. As a complementary piece playing 20-25 minutes a night (not the 25-35 minutes he played this season), Posey can be a great help. The problem is the Front Office thinking this team was at the point where all it needed was a Posey-type player, which was obviously a big mistake. There were flaws in this team that needed to be addressed before signing a guy like Posey. Serviceable backup big (Neither Hilton nor Sean Marks is that guy, as much as I like Marks and despite Hilton's one good game out of every ten), shooting guard that can get to the basket/create his own shot, offense off the bench... and more than anything just more depth in general (preferably more youthful and athletic depth) so that the team can effectively deal with injuries and not be crippled by them.
neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com #37
QueenBee
05/01/09 12:51 PM
I'd hardly say Rip's game is based on 'athleticism'. Sure he can run, catch and shoot but I don't really see Rip as "athletic". LOL! I don't know. Maybe it's just me. Both Rip and Tayshaun are older than West. I think Tayshaun is only 29 though as West is currently 28. We certainly don't need to get any older that's for sure. And once we blow up this roster as some are suggesting, how long do you think it will take for chemistry to grow and for so many new guys to get acclimated to the system?
#38
QueenBee
05/01/09 12:52 PM
What are you guys' opinion on Travis Outlaw?
#39
QueenBee
05/01/09 12:53 PM
Would Outlaw basically give us what Julian possibly can?
#40
Caleb462
05/01/09 01:10 PM
Re: Rip... athleticism might not be the right word I agree, but he does do a hell of a lot of running and banging into people.
Re: Outlaw. I haven't watched him all that much... but he's mainly a jumpshooter no? He's definitely a below average rebounder for his size, and I don't know one way or other about his defense. 1.2 points per shot - not terribly efficienct but not bad either.
But I wouldn't compare him to JuJu... I see JuJu's ceiling as a Shawn Marion-type, great rebounder, defender and finisher on the break.
neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com #41
BeesGivingEffort
05/01/09 01:11 PM
They don't want hamilton either at what he's getting paid and how many years he has on his contract.
Pargo is not a 6million dollar player. sorry he never will be.
#42
BeesGivingEffort
05/01/09 01:28 PM
Byron isn't going to play Julian, he's shown that. This would have been the year to get JUJU minutes.
#43
420ftJesus
05/01/09 02:27 PM
From reading everyone else's comments, there are only a few courses of action:
1) wait out the salary situation with the players we have, with slight hope someone will have some misfortune that will make our guys on the block worth trading
2) take a sucker deal with someone to speed up the process
3) get rid of Scott and replace him with no-one-who-has-been-identified who can do better things with our apparently broken roster
Wow. That's gloomy.
Did I miss something? I sure do hope so.
A nice draft pick to back up D West and another that help help out at point would help.
I have to take umbridge with the idea that we have nothing anyone would want. We wanted alot of people that can play at 2 or 3, which is why we have so many of them. Logic would dictate that someone would need a 2,3 and have a 1,4,5 to give. Sure, they might not be stellar, but you don't know if you don't try, and what we have now is not a champioship team.
Where these guys are, I don't know, but that's not my job.
There has to be another Devin Brown we can trade Devin Brown for, right?
Denver seems to have really flourished with some players that weren't highly regarded at one point under good leadership (coach, Billups). We have the leader on the floor (CP) and I know there are questions about Scott, but has he really failed to develop the players, or are some of these guys just limited. DWest, Tyson, and Chris have all developed well under Coach (tyson regressed this year, but it may be due to injury, not injury and getting worse too).
Anyway, why can't we do what they did, but better?
My two cents: We need someone mean. Not puppy-kicking mean, but mean. Made of steel. Like D West but more extroverted on the court. Like Bonzi.
#44
QueenBee
05/01/09 02:35 PM
@Caleb462, I've watched quite a few Blazers games and Outlaw reminds me some of Julian. He has a nice outside shot and he's a pretty good slasher as well. Will dunk the ball in your face in a minute. His defense appears to be pretty good and he hustles. Sometimes he may get a bit lazy on defense but not usually. Perhaps you can go to youtube and pull up a few of his highlights to give you a little idea.
Here are just two..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Niry4ob9k6E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_CHFaZUL-I&feature=related
#45
Caleb462
05/01/09 02:41 PM
Yeah, I hear ya... like I said I've only watched a few Blazers games here and there - just got the impression that his primary role was jumpshooter from what little I did see.
Thanks for the links.
neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com #46
BeesGivingEffort
05/01/09 04:04 PM
Mean and extroverted. Tyler Hansborough? Just a thought. I prefer Duke for the record.
#47
QueenBee
05/01/09 04:48 PM
Tyler Hansborough? Now that's funny.
#48
Sosh
05/01/09 06:55 PM
Byron Scott was blatantly handicapping them all season because he refuses to adjust their style of basketball. Chris Paul needs to run, and they need to surround him with guys who can run with him. Thats why it is such a shame that JuJu doesn't get enough burn to build his confidence and build chemistry with Paul. He has shown year after year that he has zero patience for young players. That is why Brandon Bass and JR Smith are no longer in NO. Instead they are gearing up for the West Semis. With that in mind I would almost prefer to package our picks to get someone who can run and shoot with Paul now, someone who Scott may actually give a chance to shine. Having said that, it may not be financially feasible to bring on anyone who would be worth getting at this point...
#49
joe
05/01/09 07:52 PM
OK a few things
If the hornets try and trade dwest i will officially stop being a hornets fan, how can you do this? Our main weaknesses are frontcourt depth and get-own-shot players and dwest is both of these and trading him is supposed to fix this? please come on
I dont want to trade julian, butler, and chandler (at least not until during the season to give him a chance to prove that this year was just a fluke attributed to injuries, everyone else is tradeable
i also dont understand the whole the sky is falling feeling we got over here, i mean look at the bracket, the spurs were out in 5, the blazers out in 6, they were also teams with high expectations and they fell flat on their faces also (maybe not by 58 pts but that was just the perfect storm of fail so i just want to forget it)
I also think as bad as it might sound we need to do some camby trades with peja and daniels (more peja than daniels) get some money so we can . . . .
go after von wafer, he is a solid scorer and energy guy, i watched a couple rockets games and realised that he was the rockets version of devin brown, a late late cheap pickup , the only difference is that wafer can play and really help (helped in the middle of the season when tmac and artest was out). I would like then to draft pattrick patterson (over on draftexpress they got some kind of numbers that try and prove that he is the best low post scorer in the country and he looks good). And then go after hakim warrick just that highflying big (like a mini chandler with a jumpshot i think i havent watched any grizzlies games at all)
RESIGN PARGO
with all of these things our lineup should be this
paul-butler-wright(as long as he gets a shooting coach like i heard on some blog)-west-chandler
pargo-wafer-posey-patterson-warrick (it be small but it would be good)
thoughts?
#50
bigindian15
05/01/09 08:05 PM
@joe: where do we get the money to do that? I'd be all for doing a Camby trade with Peja, but even if we could've pulled that off last year, we can't this year because of the economy and no one wants to take on cash, especially oft-injured cash that's on the downside of his career.
#51
lilrip133
05/01/09 09:00 PM
the main thing im praying for is that they do NOT re-sign devin brown. He was easily one of the worst players in the league this year to get substantial playtime. You can say "yea but he gives us an option as a slasher" all you want but the man did way more to hurt the team time and time again than he ever did to help.
I would like to see a coaching change too. If Byron Scott wants the hornets to be a half court team I have no problem with that. But if the team is going to be a half court team, there have to be half court sets that include movement. Not just pick and rolss and isolations of chris paul and david west. It's not effective.
If we're going to keep David West (who i would more than not mind trading) we need to bring in either a solid defensive small forward, or bring in a defensive specialist to come off the bench at the 4 or 5. West is too much of a liability on the boards and the defensive ends to have a subpar defensive player coming into the game every time that Tyson leaves
#52
QueenBee
05/01/09 09:10 PM
Everyone is not going to average 14 rebounds like Dwight Howard. I think in a good season West can get to 10. I wouldn't really say 8.5rpg is an actual liability. I don't really think his rebounding is all that bad. Sure, he can play a little better defense but he isn't exactly the worst defender either.
#53
lilrip133
05/01/09 09:42 PM
As far as the mock draft speculations i love almost every one of those fits for our team, especially patty mils. he reminds me of an already more matured and well polished pargo. the jury's still out for me on budinger- athletic, yes, consistent, no- could easily be a bust. And to whoever said it, I wouldn't mind a jody meeks pick either. He's got the tools, the only problem I have with him is the volume of shots he's gonna need to be effective.
As far as the travis outlaw mentions, i absolutely love the guy. good mid range jumpshooter that does an adequate job of creating his shot. very long and athletic, and a solid team defender.
I'm still sticking to my wish to bring in James White from overseas. He would give us a young, absolutely un-human athlete and solid wing defender. Sure, the kid can't shoot and isn't too great at creating his own shot, but the amount of energy he could provide off the bench and the upside for him is humongous.
I'm gonna throw another name out there, but his effectiveness would completely depend on whether the offensive philosophy was changed to more of a running team. EARL BOYKINS. Yes I said it. He's got som years under his belt and was out of the league all last year, so chances are he could be brought in for a pretty cheap contract. He's a feisty defender, a good outside shooter, unbelievably quick, and able to wreak havoc in the lane. The only downside is there wouldn't be much of an option to play him and cp at the same time because of the lack of size, but he could be a steal for a backup point guard, especially if we were able to steal dejuan blair in the draft.
And another name I'd like to throw out there is sophomore Dar Tucker from Depaul. He reminds me a lot of JR Smith except not so dumb. A pure athlete that can shoot the three very well and score at will. 6-5, 215, good size for a two guard, and coming from a low(ish) exposure school could drop far enough we could get him for one heckuva value.
#54
lilrip133
05/01/09 09:48 PM
@queenbee- yea i wont go as far as saying he's a HORRIBLE defender, but he's far from solid. He's not a good interior defender at all and is nowhere near an intimidating force. And 8.5 rebounds a game for a 4 is relatively weak, especially considering that the team as a whole is pretty weak on the boards and he only gets 1 a game on the offensive boards. I just want a scrappy hustle player to be playing beside him to make up for what I see as the main flaw in his game (other than the fact that he takes wayyyyy too many contested fadeaway jumpers.. but i wont get into that)
#55
lilrip133
05/01/09 10:04 PM
lol was just looking over the stats from the season..
devin brown- shot 35% from the field and 29% from 3
played half as many minutes as tyson chandler and hilton armstrong but attempted one hundred more shots than either of them
made double digits LESS shots than either of the aforementioned
attempted only a little over a hundred less shots than james posey, who played 3 times as many minutes
and made over 100 less shots
has an assist to turnover ratio of 1:1, with a point to turnover ratio of 5:1
the only players with a worse point to turnover ratio were hilton armstrong and melvin ely and the only players with worse assist to turnover ratios were hilton, melvin, sean marks, and tyson chandler... o yeah and none of them are guards.
and despite being heralded for being able to get into the lane and get to the line, shot the same number of free throws as antonio daniels and made 2 less while playing the same amount of minutes per game.
get rid of homeboy
#56
Mark
05/01/09 11:14 PM
lilrip: I wouldn't say Devin Brown is a slasher. More like 'bulldozer' that inevitably misses the layup due to putting his head down.
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Dmon3k
05/01/09 11:26 PM
Ok I will admit I was one of the first to say fire Byron after the debacle that was round 1. I don't think we can find anyone better than him to coach, I'm just not confident that this team will play for him. It would have been different if it was just in the playoffs, but this was a team that didn't play with fire for most of the season, and while that isn't all on the coach part of it is. He has to be able to get these guys fired up at times, and I just don't see him being able to do it anymore.
I'm also not for blowing up the roster anymore either, but changes do have to be made. One move for sure is no more Devin Brown. He hasn't brought anything to the table at all.
Hopefully Hilton and JuJu can pick it up. I think if they get coached up some more and are given meaningful minutes they might be able to develop. I would just hate to see them get let go and then become instantly better.
I like Sean Marks and the energy he brings even if he isn't the best player in the world.
But the real issue is coaching. We need to develop a real offense that isn't just Paul penetrates and kicks out to a jump shooter, or the pick and roll because when Chris is out there goes the offense.
#58
QueenBee
05/01/09 11:45 PM
The way the other guys come in when Paul goes out makes it look like the offense is wayyy more than just penetrate and kick out. If that all it were seems it should be easier but instead they act like they don't know what the heck to do most times when he goes to take a rest. I think I remember once reading where Tyson said their offense includes a lot of 'reads'. Dmon3k, you say Scott has to be able to get these guys fired up at times but most fans complain that Scott himself doesn't even get fired up but instead stands there like a statue most times. LOL!
#59
Niall Doherty
05/02/09 06:53 AM
I'm not opposed to trading David West for three main reasons.
One, he'll get us the best return; teams value him as a player and would be willing to give the Hornets something substantial in exchange for him.
Two, there's a good chance we could offload one of our bad contracts in a deal involving West. I'm not sure if Bower will ever be able to convince someone to take on Peja's contract, but perhaps someone like Daniels or Peterson could be thrown in.
Three, we'll be built much better to run. (Of course, that's assuming we get some athletic guys in return for West.) I see West as the main reason we're one of the slowest teams in the league. Yes, he's one of two reliable scorers we have, but for him to be effective the game has to be slow enough for him to plod up and down the floor. If we're going to stick with Byron as head coach, I feel we'd do much better as a running team, since Byron isn't very creative with a halfcourt offense.
www.ndoherty.com #60
lilrip133
05/02/09 11:47 AM
@niall i agree completely with your post.
@queenbee ive seen the same watching the game. rarely does he make any facial expressions, or even get up off the bench at all for that matter.
i see that as a problem. on a team where there essentially is one vocal leader (maybe two if you count posey, but even he looses composure) the coach has to be able to lead vocally too. the hornets' situation with byron scott is kind of like a girlfriend who is can't dump a bad boyfriend because she's scared she'll only get worse in return. honestly, when you weigh the plusses and minuses of byron's coaching, i don't see anything he does that he does that another coach couldn't do, interim or not. He has no locker room pull right now because they don't wanna play hard for him, he's not doing what he does best (coaching a running team), and he doesn't have a good feel for half court sets. Basically, we stand a better chance of getting something that we're missing with an interim coach or unproven head coach than keeping byron and knowing exactly what to expect... which is the same old same old
#61
joe
05/02/09 01:07 PM
with the whole byron situation do we really want to do that?? I mean we were talking about how great he was after last year and this year has been the complete opposite but was it really his fault? sometimes yes it definitely was but it cant all be blamed on him. And him and cp have a good relationship do we really want to get cp on our bad side by trying to trade chandler, then firing a coach he actually respects, it wont help when trying to convinve him that the hornets are the right team for him
On the whole free agent thing does anyone think we have a shot at landing Andre Miller?? He looks like he wont be in Philadelphia any longer and would do good on our bench. I dont know for sure if he would accept less minutes and less pay but if he does he could be a huge help
#62
QueenBee
05/02/09 01:18 PM
Byron Scott gets off the bench. Matter of factly he stands most of the game, with his arms folded. He directs and yells out things at times but for the most part, he just watches. I don't think we should get an 'unproven' coach in here that's for certain. We'd be taking a risk of going backwards. I think we should possibly give Scott another season. I won't cry if they let him go though but my only hope would be if they do replace him, please replace him with someone better. Who can do better with the same roster? Roster changes need to be made as well. Which coach would want to coach the Hornets? Sure, just about every coach would love to coach CP3 but which coaches want to work for Shinn?
#63
bigindian15
05/02/09 03:00 PM
Question: where is the proof that CP3 and Byron have a good relationship? I mean, let's look at the only article actually written about this, by ESPN's own William Simmons (lol). He said that they don't have a great relationship just by body language, and since we are all beginning to think that he was right back then (wanna point out I always agreed with that because even though Simmons is sometimes a fool, he usually is dead on with basketball. Just look at his Celts-Bulls column and he frickin predicted an all-time great series where ANYTHING IS POSS-A-BULLLLLL).
How do we actually know that CP3 respects Byron? I mean, he can see that the offense failed a lot this season. He can see that guys aren't getting chances off the bench. He can see that guys like JR and Brandon Bass are still playing when he isn't. He's not Kobe or Allen Iverson (or Jason Kidd), so he won't come out and publicly rip his coach, just like he probably won't ever demand a trade. He's always gonna be politically correct and say the right things and stand by his coach and organization, but we never REALLY know how he feels about Byron
#64
bigindian15
05/02/09 03:03 PM
@QueenBee: there are proven coaches out there. Jeff Van Gundy. Eddie Jordan. PJ Carlisemo (please no). Maurice Cheeks. Avery Johnson (you guys want a screamer...).
I was kinda hoping Lawrence Frank would be fired, just for the hellacious look on Byron's face if he got replaced by Lawrence Frank AGAIN
#65
Mark
05/02/09 03:08 PM
QueenBee: Obviously an interim coach would not provide immediate benefit, but it's something we need to consider. Rarely do teams go from point A to point C (C for championship mwahaha) without a transition period. We're not looking for something 'better than coach Scott', but someone who would offer something different, in hopes it invigorates anything.
This is what's so fun and depressing about speculation on improving your team. Nothing is guaranteed, and if we could get a coach that is better than coach Scott then so much the better. I've never regarded Scott too highly, so I'm open to see any changes on that front. Can't be much worse than letting CP coach this team, which is essentially our offensive scheme.
What's sad is SOMEBODY needs to take accountability for the poor effort this season. In a 'what have you done for me lately' [(c) Eddie Murphy] industry, it doesn't matter that we were injured beyond belief and still stumbled into seventh seed: we need a martyr. But since nobody, especially coach Scott, seems to know how to take responsibility, it's basically up to the fans or management to determine who's at fault. The athletic trainers, perhaps? Haha, just kidding. Maybe not.
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Tobi
05/02/09 03:28 PM
Fire Scott! That's the only way out. The roster is better than they've played, especially the bench. You don't get amything if you trade. And trading West just because he is the only tradeable player is stupid as hell.
Fire Scott!! The Hornets were the only team which didn't get solid minutes out of low-salary and/ or younger players. That's all Scotts stupid proud and arrogance!
#67
joe
05/02/09 03:37 PM
The proof is that cp came out and said that he and Byron have a good relationship and even though it hurts to say NBA tv has all those cheesy shows that show how Byron and cp are actually very good friends
Oh and for possible coaches I don't like alot of them
We talk about how Byron develops younger players (I.e doesn't) isn't avery Johnson the one who wouldn't take the leash off of harris? How did that turn out for the mavs
Jvg was always a great defensive coach but what does he bring different to the offensive side? Isn't that why he got fired (besides not being able to get past the first rnd)
Eddie Jordan couldn't do anything defensively
I didn't watch any sixers game so I don't know about mo cheeks
My dream hornets:(in order) rudy gay, caron butler, jeff green
#68
Caleb462
05/02/09 04:34 PM
Re: Van Gundy... yes his teams were always very poor offensive teams but excellent defensive ones. Some of those good Knicks teams he had were actually ranked in the 20th-30th range in offensive efficiency but still managed to be 50 win teams. I doubt Van Gundy will be going back into coaching anyway though.
Eddie Jordan is the opposite, good (although I don't know about great) offense.. poor defense. Based on efficiency stats Eddie Jordan is who people *think* Mike D'Antoni is. D'Antoni's Suns were decent defensively... Jordan's Wizards were not.
I'm only for a coaching change if the change is an upgrade... and I don't see any available upgrades. If Flip Saunders hadn't been hired by the Wiz... I'd be all for that, but alas... the Wiz grabbed him.
And besides, I don't think Byron will be fired anyway. With the financial situation what it is, I don't see Shinn wanting to have to pay two coaches at the same time.
neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com #69
bigindian15
05/02/09 05:31 PM
@joe: I would love those guys, but the only way I see it happening is if the Thunder draft Griffin and have an extra forward and trade us Green for Chandler, which they won't do. Or if we trade West for him and an expiring or something (which I'd be all for really)
Also, I don't like all those guys either, just saying they are options. Regarding Avery, he wouldn't "take the leash" off of Devin Harris because the team already had Dirk, Howard, and Terry. I mean, why would Harris be your primary scorer with those guys? The Nets only have one other scorer, VC, that's why Devin Harris gets free reign. That system is designed for him to dominate
JVG did get kinda screwed in Houston because Knee-Mac and Yao were always injured while he was there and there wasn't near the supporting cast there is now around Yao. But yeah, he's a great announcer I hope he stays on ABC
Sure, Eddie Jordan wasn't a great defensive coach, but then again, Gilbert Arenas and Antawn Jamison are below-average defensive players, and they never really had a good defender inside (except maybe Brendan Haywood), so I'm not entirely sure how much we can pin on him
I'd be all for Mo Cheeks though. He at least got his guys to play hard the whole time he was there in Philly
#70
bigindian15
05/02/09 05:32 PM
@Tobi: LOL if you actually think that this roster, as currently constructed, with all the injuries and inconsistency, could have won more than 49 games simply because of a different coach, then I can't help you. Looking back, 49 was a damn miracle
#71
joe
05/02/09 05:59 PM
I'd just rather the front office focus more on the players rather than the coaches
I mean is a new coach really gonna make Devon brown good at basketball? Is a new coach gonna show peja and Tyson how to stay healthy? Is a new coach going to teach Hilton how to get a rebound? See where I'm goin? We got alot more pressin issues other than who's wearin a suit on the sideline
#72
Mark
05/02/09 07:35 PM
bigindian: THANK YOU for pointing out the Lawrence Frank's dribble-drive system. Nobody who complains about the Kidd-Harris trade considers A) The mistakes Harris made in Dallas... in his third year B) The coaching system and C) The generally modest improvements (-scoring) due to his increased role.
Plus everybody said Kidd can't guard CP3 because he's too old. What? You think a hungry, healthy* CP3 in his first playoff appearance could be stopped by Harris either? We're talking Chris Paul. 'Nuff said. Nobody mentions this also, but Horry's back-pick on DX DID affect us against the Spurs, a factor on why we didn't finish game 6/7 strongly. Remember that play? The idiotic fans chanting? It wasn't like CP was stopped by the Spurs, but Popovich diagrammed a genius gameplan of stopping everybody else.
I do not like Harris from what I saw with the Mavericks, but Harris is a good offensive player. But the Mavs didn't need that, nor a need to implement a system to cater to his skill set.
Off my Safeguard-brand soap box.
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QueenBee
05/02/09 08:30 PM
@bigindian15, yes, there are proven coaches out there. I'm just wondering which ones wouldn't mind playing for Shinn. Some of them, especially if they're looking for stability, are probably concerned and wondering if there's still a lot of uncertainty surrounding the franchise. I'm just gonna sit back and watch.
#74
bigindian15
05/02/09 09:51 PM
@joe: another coach could definitely teach Hilton how to grab a rebound, and Devin has talent, he just makes bad decisions, and a new coach could totally help with that, or bench him if he can't
#75
byronscott4
05/02/09 10:06 PM
Did you ever have a baseball card you didn't want or perhaps an item at a garage sale and you offer it up for a low price, hoping someone takes it? When someone comes along and enthusiastically grabs it up, it starts to make you wonder if you undervalued it somehow. I'm wondering if the same will happen with Byron now that the Kings are interested. I mean, all these people want Byron gone (and I admit, I'm a Byron fan but hey, I really don't sweat reading the negative stuff) and once he is, what if the team isn't as good or does worse for any number of reasons? The Timberwolves fired Flip Saunders a few years back and haven't been the same since and there was even talk of trying to bring him back. I think the worse the team is there is bound to be some better coaches who don't want to come there and that can make a situation worse.
#76
BeesGivingEffort
05/03/09 01:47 AM
@ QueenBee- Why the heck is Tyler Hansborough such a funny idea? The dude hustles and I bet he'd be a damn fine backup PF in this league. You dont post career totals in the best basketball conference in the country by being a complete scrub. Oh yeah, and it's pretty obvious if you watch any David West, he is a liability on defense and for a PF defends the paint ridiculously poorly. He is way more of an usher than a bouncer. "Here, your driving to the hoop, let me stand here and make sure that you are going to score." Sorry but it'd be nice to see someone besides CP3 and BGJ actually want to play basketball into June and let's face it, noone even looked like they gave a crap and the biggest culprit was Mr. West. Give me basketball players before whiny playboys. Make no mistake bout it, DW is a whiny playboy. How does whining to refs and pouting when things are going poorly translate into being ferocious and tough? Sorry, do not see it.
For all you Pargo lovers out there, order NBA Russia if you want to see him cause that's bout the only spot your gonna watch him play for 6mill a year. He shot THIRTY NINE percent from the field. Get over it. I could find a handful of guys for 2million a year that could get told "Go out and shoot 8 times when CP is on the bench" and post better than 39 percent.
Personally I don't get why everyone is passing a flyer on this nonsense that happened in the first round. You get blown out at home by 58 points, you obviously do not care one single lick, top to bottom.
You know what this series reminded me of regarding CP3? Kobe vs the Suns when he refuses to take more than a dozen shots a game because he knew his team sucked and wanted to showcase that.
#77
Tobi
05/03/09 02:39 AM
@HornetsGon: You are absolutely right about the 2 million guys. But instead of signing a bunch of those guys they signed Posey and blew up the whole financial situation! Signing him an and Mo-Pete the year before were huge mistakes! Scott wanted them. He doesn't get along with unproven guys. And now, the hornets have to trade the players, who are actually playing well, like west did??? That's bullshit.
#78
nikkoewan
05/03/09 04:08 AM
front office: i believe jeff bower is good( great even) but the problem is he's too intent on making the team fit the coach( Byron Scott), that he is willing to lock us down financially for 3/ 4 years. If bower was given a coach who is willing to wait and develop players like McMillan, Popovich, Jackson, SVG etc., their fan base would be raving bout the talent that the team had( not have, HAD). but...
court side: Byron Scott IS a great coach. I think he can coach a championship team. HOWEVER, it should be noted that his assistant coaches do not do their jobs efficiently or effectively. It is not only the coaches job, but also the assistant coach. We had 4 heads working on the court side, 3 are under 1 head, and none of the 3 had the guts to tell byron that we need to change our game plan? its not entirely byron's fault. 70 % percent is Byron's, 30 % the assistant coaches. THEY(the 4 of them) did not find a way to adapt, THEY( the assistants) did not find a way to develop JUJU and *gulp* Hilton and Bass and JR. THEY did not do their jobs to the fullest. Look at the Spurs, no wonder theyre so good because everybody( basketball operations) see one goal and one goal only, that is: win as many championships. not just compete. it is not a surprise that many of their scouts, assistant coaches, assistant GMs, assistant janitors and ballboys are being hunted by the league, because they have a culture. NOLA doesn't have a culture that stands out. We had one last year, we lost it this year. We were supposed to be the underdog team who plays with heart and passion and a sense of underdoggedness. But the coach lost it, the assistant coach lost it, the scouts lost it, the front office lost it, and they wanted to go up the ranks quickly( when they signed Pose, we all knew that we were in win now mode). We never took the long road of championship teams, as I explained in my fan post at the hive. Shortcuts are long and risky. Just ask the Celtics. But overall, Shortcuts are bad. Even if you get returns( see Celtics), it is only short term and can have huge implications for the future of the org( look at Celts). The celts still have about 2 years( including this year) before they dismantle the core. All that will be left of them is nothing except Rondo, Big Baby, and by then Perkins will be entering his prime( which is not that much). Who else? the big three will be the 33+ by then. And as we all know, only shooters regress quietly. Big men decline sharply. Guards decline, but not as sharply as big men( exception Jordan).
#79
nikkoewan
05/03/09 04:20 AM
players: I believe, the players gave it their all in the regular season. They just lost all their mojo after the all star break, when the fatigue and road weariness kicks in. CP3 did all he could for the Bees to reach the playoffs, and when we did, he just did not have enough energy, but still had the heart. I should note that because of the lack of front court depth, Dwest HAD to play more minutes than CP3( see split stats, Dwest has played more minutes than CP3 since Dec. Dwest is a great D player, He uses his smarts to find a way to use his physical skills to play D. but since his physical skills have left him weary, his mental game did not come into effect. He was late on rotations, did not jump that high, etc etc. But we all know, he was great for us last year.) Thus, it was not surprising that Dwest sucked in the playoffs he played a total of 2982 min in 76 games while CP3 played in 3002 minutes in 78 games. I think cp3 only had one real CP3 game in him( game 3). first 2 games, he was a normal point guard. after 2 games of not playing many minutes, he had enough strength to push the hornets to a win, then had nothing. looking at the box score, it is clear that both cp3 and dwest sucked( although cp3 had one normal CP3 game). Both do not diminish their place in the league( cp3 one of the best point guard of his generation, if not the best. and dwest, a creative one on one player and a 17 foot assassin.
After that, it is all injury. I believe, as in i have constantly said, that we do not need a major change, just a few minor ones, directed at going young and athletic. We should find a way to trade anybody not named cp3, dwest, chandler and juju. You will see...
#80
Akademik_Hooligan
05/03/09 06:09 AM
I'll be very upset if West was traded - for me more than any other player, he represents the organisation. No-one thought he'd amount to much in this league, he's quiet, unfashionable, and constantly having his status questioned, by arrogant big market fans & pundits.
He poor playoff performance came about because he had nothing left to give. He wasn't being lazy or slow, he was fatigued, simple as. He was never the most explosive of athlete to begin with, and him playing all those minutes this year finished what was left.
#81
joe
05/03/09 11:20 AM
i agree with the whole west issue about him being tired, and hopefully the front office agrees because i dont want to see west traded.
I also do not want to trade butler. Even though he would get some good trade offers i think, he went from being one of my least favorite hornet players (right around the whole gun inncident) to being one of my favs. He came out and played with confidence and it showed hitting big shots at big times, id hate to lose him when possibly he could come back next year even better
#82
bigindian15
05/03/09 01:06 PM
It's really simple: our two best chips are West and Daniels' contract. If we're going to overhaul our team, those two will be gone
#83
BeesGivingEffort
05/03/09 04:42 PM
Sorry I don't buy all this minutes nonsense. If you asked any star whether playing 39mins per game in the regular season is an excuse to suck in the playoffs they would laugh at you.
Blame injuries if you want but 39minutes isn't absurd. Plenty of stars have averaged over 40mins per game.
#84
bigindian15
05/03/09 04:57 PM
That's right. West didn't suck in the playoffs because he was tired, he sucked because Kenyon Martin did an amazing job defending him. Give credit where credit is due
#85
nikkoewan
05/04/09 01:08 AM
i agree that kenyon martin did a hell of a job. but im not downgrading dwest's ability. its just kenyon martins defense plus dwest tiredness( either lack of conditioning or pure tireness) is the reason for dwest poor play against DEN. It seems to me that your degrading dwests ability to play, so lets trade him. No. And come on ask any superstar, without the proper conditioning, they wouldn't survive the strain of an NBA year. See Shaq.
#86
BeesGivingEffort
05/04/09 10:07 AM
Without proper conditioning...and who's fault is that if that's the case. On top of that note, DWest doesn't exactly motor it up and down the court. People want to make excuses for DWest and whether you want to trade him or not, he still got flat owned in the series. I'm sorry I just don't buy all this stuff. Just because someone doesn't play up to his potential doesn't mean he's tired. If anything, he was mentally taken out of the series by his poor play in the first 1-2 games.
#87
SaveYourBoredom
05/04/09 11:54 AM
All very good points. I was absolutely sure the Hornets needed to get rid of Byron Scott [and I didn't think he would get fired, I thought Sacramento would buy him out (although why the hell would they do that? they would be just awful with him) or Phil Jackson would win the title in LA and then retire, so the Lakers would buy him out], but I will admit I'm having some doubts.
I know, however, that it really, REALLY seems like he didn't hold any sway over his players. They never seemed motivated to play hard under his guidance. They lost countless games to crappy teams simply because they weren't playing hard. That has to fall on the coach, right? Isn't it the coach's resonsibility to say to his players, "Guys, we're losing to the freaking Bobcats right now. Do something about it!"?
Also, Scott's an easy scapegoat for fans. We can see the ways he lets us down. We see it every time the opposing team goes on a 10-0 run and he absolutely REFUSES to call a timeout to stop it. We see it in the way he blames everyone else in the world but himself to the media (Like the other day when he told the Times Picayune that the fans didn't have the right to boo his team for losing by 58 at home in a crucial playoff game, embarrassing themselves and their city.). We see it in the way he doesn't let Julian Wright play, even though Wright did a more-than-solid job starting in place of Peja for 20 games.
It's easy to blame Byron Scott. The old sports cliche is that it's easier to fire the coach than the star player, and, really, what is it that Byron Scott gives us that no other coach could give us? A great relationship with Chris Paul? Chris Paul has a great relationship with EVERYBODY IN THE WORLD. Everyone's one of his best friends, according to him he spends 28 hours a day sending text messages to his best friends from other teams. So I'm sure it wouldn't be hard for him to develop a good relationship with a new coach.
Also, consider, Byron Scott needed three years with Chris Paul to even reach the playoffs, when in those first two years you only needed to win 43 games to get there.
I don't know. It just seems that in the NFL the new trend is to give the head coaching job to a young, hungry, up-and-coming wippersnapper (like Mike Tomlin or John Harbaugh) instead of the washed up, "experienced, seasoned" veteran coach (like Denny Green or Jim Fassel... or Mike Ditka), and it's paying dividends. Why hasn't the NBA caught onto this? Especially when the guy you're replacing has won a ton of NBA championships as a player and probably won't lose any sleep over never having won one as a coach.
God, I'm sorry for how long this post is.
#88
Juncti
05/04/09 12:53 PM
"Niall may do one, but if one of you wants to put something balanced together(emphasis on balanced)"
Here's my contribution: http://www.hornets247.com/journals/2009/05/04/the-season-that-never-was
Think I wound up more balanced than I had anticipated.
To the off season we go...
#89
ChrisTrew.com
05/04/09 02:14 PM
Chris Bosh.
www.christrew.com #90
joe
05/06/09 07:03 PM
even though i kno that hindsight is 20/20 it pains me to see this:
Von Wafer: PER 14.8 $ 797K Devin Brown: PER 9.7 $ 998K
Chris Anderson: PER 18.2 $ 797K Melvin Ely: PER 6 $ 998K
If we dont get posey (who im not that negative on i just hate his contract so much) we could have this bench
Pargo-Wafer-Wright-Marks(i like his hustle)-Anderson
that would be a crazy bench with two scorers who dont need cp to set them up, two pretty good defenders, and an all out hustle and energy 5 . . . . .if only
#91
lilrip133
05/14/09 10:56 PM
id like to see us go back on the royal screw up we had this year and sign bobby brown this time around. minnesota will likely not re-sign him, and if anybody else watched the hornets' summer league games last summer, the kid absolutely tore it up.
not to mention, he's making $442k as opposed to devin brown's $998k
bobby brown couldve slotted in and replaced pargo quite well imo. could get in the lane well, maybe not as much of a scorer, but a better distributor.
and if we really want a pargo-esque guy we could go after Sean Singletary if Charlotte drops him. He's a born scorer at the point guard position, and with some development could be a helluva player.
as far as our woes at the other positions.. either the management can pull some magic out of their hats trading around, the draft can drop a gem out of the sky, or we can stick with what we've got (except for devin brown).
but im still sticking by james white and jr pinnock until someone in the league gives them a shot. especially jr since he did drop 31 on OUR summer league team this summer.
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