This one is hard for me to write. I think I've changed my mind three times over just the last weekend about whether I think Byron Scott should go or not. There are perfectly valid reasons why he should go. There are perfectly valid reasons why he shouldn't. In an effort to fully evaluate Byron as a coach, I'm going to split this post into three sections - one for each of the major coaching job requirements as I see them: Forging a team identity, developing young talent, and gameplanning.
Forging a Team
I don't think there is a lot of question that Byron Scott has been successful at building team identity and cohesiveness. When he arrived in New Orleans in 2004-2005, it was too late for the team he had inherited from Tim Floyd. That year Scott had to cope with a team in full disintegration mode as Mashburn retired, Baron Davis quit, and Magloire got injured and then wanted out himself. In my opinion he did a masterful job. That team may have only gone 18-64, but I watched every minute of that team play and after Baron got "injured" and front office began to blow things up. Not once that season did I see that overmatched team not compete. Under Byron's direction, the team knew what it was going to do, and they relied on each other despite their obvious weakness.
That's been a hallmark of all the Hornets teams since he's arrived, and it should not be underestimated. The Hornets were a franchise in seemingly constant turmoil as it skipped between three cities and had to rebuild the team from scratch. Through it all, Byron was a rock. He told his players what he thought. The players who got time were the players that would buy into what he was selling. Knuckleheads were not tolerated. That's Byron Scott. Even during the struggles this season, did anyone see real cracks in the teams facade? The most I saw was some frustrated comments from Julian Wright early in the season, and some random speculation by outsiders. Recent comments by Posey and West bear witness to that. The team still felt like a team.
Player Development
Despite recent popular opinion, Scott has given young talent the chance to excel. As we watch the struggles of Julian Wright to be a contributor, it's important to remember that Byron Scott has developed young players successfully. Chris Paul was going to start for any coach anywhere, but David West? He was injured and wasn't even the backup to the backup in Byron's first year(West's second year) - but that off-season he insisted West would be starting, and the team moved Magloire to make room for him. The only real memories I have of West's previous two years were energetic rebounds and missed putbacks, followed by West clapping in frustration and getting back on defense. I thought Byron had lost his damn mind when he insisted he'd be starting him.
West wasn't the only young player either. When Tyson Chandler arrived he was coming off of his worst pro season, and started off very rockily for the Hornets before Byron pushed him to be all that he became. That core of West, Chandler and Paul? It wasn't a sure thing. It was built into an effective core under the guiding hands of Byron Scott - and that's something to respect and not forget.
To me, the way Byron handles players like JR Smith, Kirk Snyder, Cedric Simmons, and our own Julian Wright and Hilton Armstrong has been perfectly reasonable. They may have gotten limited time - but every one of them got at least a couple 15-20 game stretches with about 20 minutes a game to show what they could do. Every one of them showed as many flaws as they showed ability, and Byron, in normal Scott fashion, made them accountable for those mistakes. I'm not about to argue with that.
The only player I don't think he gave a fair shake to was Brandon Bass, but I'm able to let that slide for a variety of reasons I won't get into here.
In the end, I'm fine with Byron's handling of the team's youngsters.
Gameplanning
All of the above is possible because of the very nature of Byron Scott's personality. Scott is a self-assured, strong personality. He's got a sizeable ego, and has no difficulty telling the players under him what he thinks of them and their abilities. It's that ego that allowed him put his stamp on the team and build it into a playoff contender.
And that ego may also be Byron Scott's downfall when it comes to gameplanning.
That ego allows Byron to be certain his way is best. It makes him certain that what he is doing is right. That may allow him to sleep well at night and control the team, but it also makes him stubborn and inflexible. That inflexibility shows up in his gameplanning - and has in every year he's been with the Hornets. Byron installs a gameplan during training camp, and from that moment on, it will not change.
Injuries be damned. Personnel be damned.
How else can you explain the force-feeding of Desmond Mason in the post two years ago, when Mason couldn't post a comment on a blog. How else do the Hornets insist on using the high pick and roll with Tyson out and Hilton Armstrong in, when Hilton sets crappy screens, can't finish an alley-oop, and has stone hands? How else do the Hornets continue to use a hedging perimeter defense that funnels players into the big men when Hilton Armstrong and Sean Marks pick up fouls like Captain Kirk picks up green women?
Despite the decline in results, there really was no difference between the systems our team ran last year and this one. The difference was the personnel trying to execute it due to injuries. Despite the fall from the third most efficient offense to the twelth, I saw no meaningful adjustments to what the Hornets were trying to do as the season went on. Defensively, other than a few games where Byron was willing to give a zone a try, there weren't any changes. Granted, I'm not sure the backups were capable of all that much - but shouldn't Scott at least try something new for a time?
And that's where I struggle about Byron Scott. That tells me that if the Hornets manage to field a fairly stable team with limited injuries, we can expect a pretty good season. If we suffer through injuries again, we can expect another excercise in frustration. With Peja and Tyson looking increasingly injury-prone - can we expect a healthy team? Do all the benefits Byron brings outweigh him not being flexible?
And what worries me the most: when the team is in the playoffs and facing a coach with the ability to make changes and be flexible, what happens then? When the Hornets played the Spurs last season, they didn't make any substantial adjustments at all from game to game. Is that what we'll see in the future? Is Byron a closer - or is he a starter? Is his best skillset taking poor teams and turning them into contenders, but in general being unable to finish the deal? Should Byron move on to a rebuilding team like Sacramento, rumored to be interested in hiring him away from the Hornets?
Today, as of this moment, I'm leaning towards yes. Unfortunately, ask me again tomorrow and I might have another answer.
What do you think?


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bigindian15
05/04/09 02:16 PM
I think we need a new guy to bring us to the next level. You made some really good points, and I agree 100% on the personnel thing, which is why I think trading Julian while he still has some value wouldn't be the end of the world, because all we've seen tells us that he isn't consistent enough to be reliable at this stage of his career, and we have a core good enough to compete now.
I think the benefits that Byron brings, though, have already done their work. He built a cohesive team with a solid philosophy. That won't leave if he leaves because it's already ingrained in Chris Paul, the one guy we know will not go anywhere. He instilled in CP the professionalism and level-headedness (usually) and CP won't let whoever is on the team whenever Byron leaves (if he ever does) change that.
So, it comes down to his gameplanning, and I think that's where we need to upgrade. The problem is, where do we find an upgrade? We definitely need a veteran coach (or an assistant to a hardcore vet, like in San Antonio or LA or something), because I don't think a new coach would be able to handle coaching a superstar. He either would undercoach and look lost (Vinny the Black) or overcoach and screw everything up (Avery Johnson and Vinny the Black at times). There is such a think as overplanning, which we saw when the Mavs lost to the Warriors a few years ago.
The only way I think a long-time assistant would work is if it's a guy who has learned how to manage superstars from someone like Pop or Phil Jackson or something. I dunno how many of those are out there, just throwing it out there.
Regarding Peja and Tyson, I think Peja at least will be healthy next year. What makes me say that? Absolutely nothing, just a gut feeling. Also, he doesn't really seem like the type to get significantly worse as he ages (he isn't that old anyway), because he just runs off screens and shoots, and those guys typically last a while (Reggie Miller, Ray Allen). The difference between him and those guys is his height, which may be causing his back problems, coupled with the fact that he always has to guard big guys who take him to the post.
I think Tyson will be healthy but will probably need surgery. The problem is he might take a while to regain his athleticism (a la Amar'e) or he might just be a little scared to test it out for a while.
Back to Byron: I think he would be amazing at Sacramento, where they have young guys like Kevin Martin and Jason Thompson and lottery pick X that he could work with.
Also, regarding CP and West's progression...a little credit also has to go to CP lol
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Byrdsman13
05/04/09 02:30 PM
I like your post for many reason. The praise u give Coach Scott for his obvious success and handle of the young talent on the team speaks volumes. Coach Scott has done a great job of working with the player he has before him. Everyone talks about our great success last year and that is true we did great last year but we don't have the same pieces we did from last year for one. For two yeah we did take the Spurs to game seven but the Spurs are on their last leg as it is. They didn't fair too well this year either and for good reason. Injuries to key players. Its a tough job in its self to get a team to go out and compete at the highest level when the players u put on the court aren't at full health. I take my hat off to Coach Scott and the job he did this year. He didn't do what he did with the Nets because he is an ok Coach. He is great at what he does. Look at the team from last year to this year. Pargo gone, Chandler injured most of the season and traded to OKC, Butler a starter and inconsistent, Peja injury on top of all the other drama and we still made the playoffs and were in contention to be the forth seed. Give the man some credit. U don't cut a man loose for not getting u to the level u were at last year when A.the western conference has gotten better B. We don't have the same players we did last year and C. We have injury on top of injury to our core group. I don't blame anyone for the season going the way it did. We exceeded expectations if u think about it. Can't blame Coach Scott for that. Injuries happen. Cut him some slack.
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benreed1088
05/04/09 02:32 PM
It is looking like byron scott could be heading to sacramento....on espn it is a rumor and all the sacramento boards and sites are buzzing
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Byrdsman13
05/04/09 03:18 PM
Our loss if he leaves. Who else is out there for us?
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benreed1088
05/04/09 03:19 PM
not many people....lawrence frank.......van gundy, avery if we can get them to unretire
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Juncti
05/04/09 03:20 PM
"Do all the benefits Byron brings outweigh him not being flexible?"
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein
#6
Andrea
05/04/09 04:39 PM
Did you right this post or did I? It's like you're in my head because I've felt the same way since the end of the season...
@Juncti: Spot on. It's what we've been saying all season.
On Bass, JR Smith, Snyder, Simmons, etc.: I have no problem with the the way he handled those situations. True that Bass is the only one who didn't really get much opportunity here, but I really can't say that he would've developed here the way he has developed in Dallas.
About his ego: It's truly a double edged sword. I don't have any problem with the way he handles players, but that inability (or unwillingness) to make adjustments has always rubbed me the wrong way. As good as he is with the guys, the way he handles Xs and Os won't ever sit well with me if some things don't change.
We all witnessed this season a prime example of that inability: the game against Portland where CP got injured. He brings in Antonio Daniels to run the exact same offense that the league's best point guard runs and expects the same results; while it's failing miserably during the late 3rd and full 4th, I can remember one or two timeouts being called but no adjustments being made. That's the main problem in a nutshell.
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Byrdsman13
05/04/09 05:07 PM
To me it depends on Ýour definition of flexible. How much more do we need this man to be? He did the impossible with the team we had. Rasual Butler starting at shooting guard and Devin Brown and AD as backup point guards to CP. That's being thrown lemons and asking for wine. He worked with what he had and did pretty well is what I believe. Getting rid of the coach isn't the answer. The players he has to use aren't great at all. They suck. What player did we have besides our core three could go to another team and start?
#8
joe
05/04/09 05:11 PM
@Byrdsman13: I agree with what your saying but i thought Butler did an excelent job this season doing everything he was asked to do
I also would like to say to all that think that Byron couldnt develop any young players i think he did an okay job on cp. Cp was gonna be great anyway but you dont think it helped having a pg who played with magic and coached kidd helping him? cp has even said that Byron has helped him tremendously, and i dont know about you guys but i would like to believe our franchise player when he says something
#9
Mikey
05/04/09 06:06 PM
Just for the sake of doing so, here are a list of some veteran coaches, as well as a couple of assistants looking to make it big:
Vets:
Jeff Van Gundy - He seems to love the TV gig, don't know his interest level in a coaching return
Doug Collins - see also Jeff Van Gundy
Avery Johnson - Somehow I just don't see Chris Paul being comfortable with a coach that calls EVERY offensive play, and gets upset when you deviate from it
Eddie Jordan - A former Scott assistant in New Jersey, said to be the mastermind behind NJ's rise to the top of the eastern conference in the early 2000's
Assistants maybe looking to move up:
Brian Shaw - LAL
Mario Elie - DAL
Kenny Gattison - NOH
#10
The_big_H
05/04/09 11:59 PM
Scott has always surrounded himself with excellent assistant coaches. Look at his NJ crew. You had Eddie Jordan and Lawrence Frank, both of who are/were NBA coaches. Last year you had Darrel Walker, another dude with NBA head coach experience, but this year he was in Detroit. The assistants make a big difference, and this year, probably due to cost cutting Scott was a man down. One less voice, one less good idea, one less person you can turn to when **** isn't working.
Does it matter? I don't know
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bigindian15
05/05/09 01:36 AM
Brian Shaw got a lot of buzz last year when all those coaching spots opened up. He's learned from the best, I say go for him. We could get him cheap. Trade Byron for a second round pick to the Kings (can we do that?)
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Mark
05/05/09 02:39 AM
bigindian: They did trade some minor league player (RIP) for some baseball bats, so...
Off topic, but the officials have been consistent in Denver series'... consistently biased for the Nugs. Apparently the game was very lop-sided. Although everybody always complains about the officiating, it seems this year is especially horrendous. Interesting if the NBA publicly addresses it (Tin Donaghy, anybody?).
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Dave
05/05/09 03:03 AM
I think Byron Scott is a very talented Head Coach. I'd be very disappointed if the Hornets let him go.
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The_big_H
05/05/09 03:38 AM
@bigIndian: We sure can. The heat got a draft pick for Van Gundy. Never even considered it but we sure can trade his ass out of town...if he wanted to go and someone was desperate to get him
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bigindian15
05/05/09 11:11 AM
Kings sure seem like they want him, and I personally think he's be great in Sactown
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Ryan Schwan
05/05/09 11:20 AM
Minor Addendum to the Sacramento Kings getting Byron - a lot of the speculation about the Kings picking him up assumes that Byron wants to go.
That's laughable. Who would seriously choose a 17-win bottom-feeder with only one player better than average over a 49-win team with one of the three best basketball players on the planet?
If Byron goes to Sacramento, it's because George Shinn makes it clear he should probably start looking.
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Niall Doherty
05/05/09 12:24 PM
I'm gonna say no, Byron shouldn't go. Reason being that I don't believe a simple coaching change will make us a contender next season. So, since we're damned if we do and we're damned if we don't, might as well choose the option that costs less money.
Also, At The Hive has a good take on Byron's coaching ability here:
http://www.atthehive.com/2009/5/1/860620/the-past-present-and-future-of
And there's a poll on NOLA.com right now asking if Byron should be retained as head coach:
http://blog.nola.com/hornetsbeat/2009/05/do_you_think_the_new_orleans_h_2.html
As of this posting, 67% of 549 people think that yes, Byron should remain as head coach of the Hornets.
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Niall Doherty
05/05/09 12:24 PM
One more link. Juncti has a nice season recap posted in Journals:
http://www.hornets247.com/journals/2009/05/04/the-season-that-never-was
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Tobi
05/05/09 01:26 PM
Player Development:
I don't think he is very good at that. Yes, the willingness of giving opportunities is there. But he has no sense of finding the right spots for his players. Great coaches like phil jackson are able to get the most out of players with less talent. The best example is Bass, but I also think JuJu is a victim of Scotts' ignorance. The confidence of our younger players just isn't there and it has a lot to do with the way they are handled.
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Andrea
05/05/09 03:15 PM
Should Byron Scott go?
Right now, I'll say no BUT that offensive scheme has to go if we want to be successful. Obviously, we would've won more games had we been healthy but I think if we stick to what we're doing now, we'll have a lot of trouble moving on when the postseason comes around.
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Mark
05/05/09 03:50 PM
Developing our 'key' players (DX, CFRM), you have to realize, came at a time where we were essentially written off. We didn't need a PG. We didn't need a PF. We needed ANYTHING: an identity, even. Granted it's easier to improve in a terrible state than with high expectations, but we know theoretically what we need: At our current state, I remember we've been complaining of needing a slasher/scorer since the playoffs last year. JuJu is that 'could've-should've' player.
I don't know if he's good. Honestly. He might be immature/terrible in practices, which would explain his bench-time, but that's the problem: I don't know. The fact of the matter is, we have a hole in a scorer, and we didn't do anything to address it (I was hoping for experimentations during the regular season). Blame coach Scott. Blame management. Blame our players. But whomever at fault, we didn't address it. Plain and simple.
So I'm totally with Andrea. Scott shouldn't go (financial reasons foremost), but there needs to be change and accountability. As opposed to the bandwagon fans, I don't mind watching a team 'rebuild' (in fact, I rather prefer it!). All I ask for are the players putting in obvious effort on court.
I'm content when the other team wins. I'm not content when we lose... does that make sense?
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djtoneyblare
05/05/09 04:49 PM
It's about money. I'm not one of those who thinks the team is hurting sooo bad for $, but unless someone's picking up Byron, we can't afford to eat the $6.5mil. And if I'm looking to lay out a bunch of cash on a new coach to get my lottery team going, I'm probably spending it on Eddie Jordan (fun style, good with younger guys) or Avery Johnson (winner, organized, maybe a choker). I don't see Byron (successful when he has a great point guard, just led team into a national laughing stock loss, kills young psyches) as that hot of a commodity right now, and I'm not so sure Sac-town wants to spend what it would cost. Unless the Hornets' front office has had some young assistant in mind all along, I think we're stuck with the expensive option we already know. Which sucks.
Because I worry about next season being 1/2 year too many, when things go wrong mid-year, we tune him out because of the on-court stagnation (partly his fault, partly some expensive decisions by Bower), so the off-court goes bad and he's gone in February and the team is a mess with an interim coach. Will trying to save the $6.5mil be worth it? No, but right now, I don't see another option.
Oh, and the support from Posey and DWest in the TP? Call me when Chris makes a statement. Pretty sure we'll be waiting til next year.
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bigindian15
05/05/09 05:56 PM
@Ryan: I could see him choosing it. I mean, in NOLA he has a cheap owner, fans who are pissed that the team lost by 58 in the playoffs and many of whom are blaming him, stars with injury history, and huge, huge expectations.
I could see him preferring Sacramento. Just because they won 17 doesn't mean anything, coaches want fresh starts all the time. In Sacramento he has Kevin Martin, Jason Thompson, possible Blake Griffin or Ricky Rubio, cool owners, and basically freedom to do whatever he wants and a lot of fan support right now.
Also, every NBA team has the best basketball players in the world. That's what the NBA is lol.
Besides, it's not like the Kings are a laughingstock like the Clippers or Hawks. It wasn't too long ago that they were perennial title contenders with some really great players.
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lilrip133
05/05/09 06:25 PM
im definitely convinced he needs to go. for one, his lack of flexibility is truly stunting the very players that he did so well to grow. defenses have adjusted to the hornets' stagnant pick and roll offense, david west has become less effective in isolation situations for the same reason, and we've all seen what goes on with hilton armstrong on the daily. His development of juju has also been unfair. sure, he's shown plenty of flaws, but does that excuse him getting less minutes than arguably the worst player in the nba to average more than 10 minutes per game, devin brown? no. basically, byron will only be able to function with either a new team or in a perfect situation with a good team. he can't take us to the next level we need to get to, and it's time for us to move a different direction and at least give ourselves a chance. if we keep him, we know what to expect: exactly the same as we're getting currently. if we let him go, sure we could get worse, but how bad can you get with chris paul at the helm.
basically, you can't steal second with your foot on first. gotta take a chance to win.
#25
Mark
05/05/09 07:18 PM
bigindian: I feel coach Scott might not want to undergo a project like Sac-Town. I'm not sure at this point in his career does he want to undergo new management again and overhaul a team like he did with the Nets and our Bees. Realistically, I see him finishing his contract year and us not renewing it.
Credit due, however, he's good at initially assembling a team (which is why I feel he'd be great as an assistant coach). I mean, see the immediate change with the Nets (26 to 52 wins) and our Bees (18 to 38 wins).
And regarding 'best basketball player in the world': one we never really got to see was Arvydas Sabonis. Quite possibly one of my favourites of all time, drafted in 1985, then almost rookie of the year in 1996. Geez, seriously. I feel the Blazers could've gotten a 'chip during that TEN YEAR hiatus. Hopefully that will never happen again.
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bigindian15
05/05/09 10:03 PM
Apparently Arvydas Sabonis is the best ever international player, and he had some great years with the Blazers here towards the end of his career. I wonder what that dude could have done if he came here younger. Maybe helped a team really challenge the Bulls in the 90s?
@Mark: I'm not sure what you mean by "at this point in his career," dude is only 48 lol. Younger than half the coaches in the league. He also has expressed a huge desire to coach in Sacramento because that's where he got his (coaching) start. He would be closer to home (lives near LA in the offseason) and would become popular with California fans, leading to possibly coaching the Lakers down the road (his other dream). He probably does want a championship, but if he doesn't think he'll be able to get it with this roster, I think he might be ready to move on.
I do understand what you mean about not wanting to overhaul a new team, though. He kind of lucked into two once-in-a-generation players in Kidd in his prime in NJ and CP now. The thing is, if Sacramento gets the #1 or 2 pick in the draft, I think he might want to go there. Kevin Martin is a good player. Jason Thompson shows a lot of promise. Blake Griffin is apparently a guaranteed all star, and Ricky Rubio could be a once-in-a-generation type player, plus another point guard for him to mentor. For all the bitching we do about player development, Byron knows how to raise point guards. Kidd had his best years by far in NJ, and I don't think anyone expected CP to be this good this fast. Maybe that comes from playing all those years with Magic?
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Mark
05/05/09 10:08 PM
bigindian: Haha nononono. Completely different wavelengths, haha. I'm just saying the 'best players in the world playing in the league' didn't work with good ol' Sabas. Nothing about coach Scott at the end. haha
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TheKeyMaster
05/06/09 01:26 AM
I'm still 50/50 on Byron staying or leaving. On the one hand he is a proven coach in the league which is kinda a hard thing to find these days, but on the other hand he is too stubborn for his own good. He seemingly refuses to make any types of changes in the defensive or offensive schemes, even though some of that can be put on the assistant coaches. Also he shows no emotion, but then it does seem like he has a good relationship with most of our key players.
On another front, I've been working feverishly on the NBA trade machine over at the Worldwide Leader and think I've found some trades for us that would solve a lot of problems. First of all we shouldn't resign Ely or Bowen (although he gives us great energy, he doesn't get PT let another team snatch up his great hustle), hopefully we can talk Devin out of his player option. Resign Marks.
Now here is the blockbuster trade, very far fetched but the salaries match up and I think every team involved gets something they need. http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
In this trade we first trade Posey to Portland for Outlaw and Fernandez which gives us two players off the bench who can score and play D, if needed we could throw in a draft pick. Portland gets a proven veteran which they desperately need.
Second part of the trade: We send Peja to Philly who needs a 3 pt shooter and I think Peja could excel in their offense. In return Philly sends us PF Jason Smith, never seen him play so I can't comment on his ability. Philly then sends Dalembert to LAC. LAC then sends us Camby and a backup PG Mardy Collins, don't know who he is either to us for Hilton. In this scenario we could give a draft pick if needed to Philly or to LAC or some type of draft pick trading.
Ok now I know that sounds insane and that this post is getting long. But I think Philly would be willing to part with Dalembert bc they have a lot of expiring contracts this off-season and have a healthy Brand coming back Next year, so they will have money to re-sign another big man. Most Importantly this gives us everything we need: a great backup big man, and young bench players who can score. On the downside we don't shed any salary relatively, but we do have expiring contracts of Daniels 6.2mil and Campy 10mil. Also if Tyson is still injured we can trade him during the season and not have to worry that much about getting back a lot since we would have Camby. I think this trade would fill everyone of our needs while giving us plenty of options for the future. Now this would probably never happen in a million years but hey its fun to dream.... Lineup:Pg-Paul/Daniels, Sg-Butler/Fernandez, Sf-Outlaw/Juju, Pf-West/Marks/Smith, C-Tyson/Camby/Marks.
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TheKeyMaster
05/06/09 01:36 AM
Sorry to everyone who reads the previous post, I know most people hate wild trade speculation, but I was bored and wanted to share what I came up with, with fellow Hornets fans. Maybe we could trade CP3's left pinky for David Lee?
#30
Mark
05/06/09 01:44 AM
KeyMaster: Rumour has it Dalembert wants out too.
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bigindian15
05/06/09 04:04 AM
@TheKeyMaster: I think the Peja for Dalembert thing is wildly overblown, because I can't see any way the Sixers want Peja that badly. Yes, they desperately (DESPERATELY) need 3 point shooting, but I think of our guys, they would much rather have Mo Pete because he has less miles and no injury history. Peja wouldn't start for them because they already have Iguodala and Thaddeus Young at the wings, and he just isn't good enough to play PF (unless they go ultra-dultra small and put him at SF, Young at PF, and Brand at center). Also, they would give them two overpaid guys with injury problems in Brand and Peja. I think they stay away.
These are the ones I've been contemplating:
1) http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=d4k94d
I know it says it fails, but the Pistons have trade exceptions and I can't figure how to add those on the trade machines. I had another version of this one involving Peja and West cooked up real nice while I was on the toilet, but I can't remember it now.
Anyway, Pistons get West, whom they want, and in return take back Mo Pete who gives them solid defense, a good shooter, and an all around great guy (Joe Dumars type of guy). We get a great starter if we can deal Peja (which we can in my other version of the trade, I'll try to remember it) and a great backup PF in the Brandon Bass mold who actually might be a starter, I dunno, haven't watched him enough
2) http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=dxgl85
Plus the Bulls 2 first round picks in this year's draft (numbers 16 and 26). Look, I know it sucks, but really I'm not sure what else we can do to flat out cut salary. I think Bulls.com suggested this one. The other option was to include Mo Pete and have the Bulls throw in John Salmons, but I don't think the Bulls will do that after how Salmons performed in the playoffs. Then again, if they re-sign Ben Gordon, who knows. We would then have 3 draft picks and pretty much force the team to trade up (or package the other picks to unload another crap contract) to save cash. While we're at it, how much do teams value first round picks anyway? Is there any way in hell we could trade 3 picks between 16 and 26 and get a top 6 pick? James Harden or DeMar DeRozan would look mighty nice next to CP...
3) I had another one and have no idea how to execute it, it basically involved Utah pulling a sign-and-trade with Millsap and sending him to us, we send West to Philly, and Philly sends Brand to Utah with some other guys in there to even it all out, but I don't know really how sign and trades work so dunno if it's even possible. Then I realized that West would be terrible for Philly just like Brand is, so ignore this whole paragraph
Ehhh I just spent about an hour on the trade machine trying to remember my Pistons one to no avail. Oh well. There are two huge wild cards in all this: how teams see Tyson (my guess is as damaged goods) and who gets the #1 pick. I think OKC could be persuaded to part with Jeff Green if they get the #1, and we could work them into a 3 way deal involving West and probably the Bulls, but damn it's hard to tell right now. I can't wait til free agency just so I can stop thinking up trades on the pot!
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bigindian15
05/06/09 04:05 AM
My bad, also didn't mean to go off on a trade-machine-binge there, but it beats studying for finals lol
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NOEngineer
05/06/09 08:37 AM
Ryan,your post was fantastic.
The ability to set the proper expectations and develop those people who want to be developed is called leadership. Gameplanning is called management. History and business are full of leaders who could not manage and managers who could not lead. I would rather have the former. It is MUCH easier for a leader to hire managers (a good set of assistant coaches) than it is for a manager to hire leaders. The only reason I would let Scott go is if he refused to bring in the required assistant coaches (this year) or refused to listen to them (next year). In my opinion we need a coach dedicated to big men and someone to expand our offensive options (some guys other than CP3 moving would be nice) . Then of course we need some better big men and some more players with better 1-on-1 offensive skills.
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Ryan Schwan
05/06/09 09:38 AM
No worries about the trade speculation, guys. That's part of the fun of being a fan. I'll probably indulge in a little myself at some point.
Excellent way of expressing it, NOEngineer. I agree entirely.
I'd like to see Byron Scott operate the way Larry Bird did in Indiana. He came in with a plan, and essentially said, "I'll get the guys on the same page and motivated, but I need someone else to do my defensive and offensive X and O's"
He then had Donnie Walsh provide him with two skilled assistants known for their aptitude in each of those fields: Rick Carlisle offensively, and Dick Harter defensively.
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Niall Doherty
05/06/09 12:30 PM
Very good point, NOEngineer. I think hiring specialist assistant coaches is catching on in the NBA. I wouldn't rate Doc Rivers as a great head coach, but he's surrounded himself with good assistants like Tom Thibodeau. I believe Mike Brown has done the same in Cleveland this season.
However, for a head coach to say "I'm not that good at coaching this aspect of the game, so let me bring in an assistant who is" requires swallowing your pride, and Byron might not be capable of that.
Thinking of the Hornets assistant coaches, the only one I know who has specific responsibilities is Kenny Gattison, who's our big man coach. I'm not sure what parts of the game Paul Pressey and Charlie Parker specialize in.
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benreed1088
05/06/09 02:24 PM
charlie parker has been all over the place coaching everything.
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StefanC
05/06/09 06:26 PM
I think it's funny how BADLY everyone on here wants to go back to being that 56 win team contending for a title really quickly. We're already looking to deal every player not named CP3 to get "great" again. It doesn't happen overnight.
#38
Sosh
05/06/09 08:15 PM
I always thought Paul Silas was a better coach then his reputation, any chance we could bring him back? But seriously, I think StefanC makes a good point. If the idea is to rebuild around Paul, then chances are we will not be in the playoffs for the next 2 seasons. Is everyone cool with that? Its highly unlikely that the answer will arrive via free agency this summer or next. Or do we think a different coach can get more out of the guys we have? I think you add 2 consistent shooters and RUN.
#39
chefcdb
05/07/09 01:50 AM
I waver about our coaching situation only a little bit, but overall I'd rather Coach Scott stay. Sure, I'd like to have a more athletic offense with more slashing to the rim and just a more spread out responsibilities for ballhandling (so CP3 isn't worn to a nub at the end of the year), but those are really GM things as much as coaching issues. Coach isn't that flexible in schemes, but he always seems to draw up solid game winning pressure shots out of timeout plays. Byron has forgotten more basketball than most of us will know, and he still commands respect as an ex-player with championship rings.
If he decides to leave, soon for Sactown or later should the Lakers job open up, I will worry most about team chemistry. I think the players know where Coach Scott always stands, and his old school demands aren't so drastic. Mainly, he's a winner, and he has the guys understanding what winning takes as a team. The Hornets had to learn a hard lesson this year about playing to your best capabilities, not to the hype of your own mind's expectations. If we can improve our bench depth especially another versatile PF in the Kurt Thomas to Paul Millsaps continuum, find another ballhandler who is willing to score yet patient enough to create open looks for teammates, we have a great chance to rebound from this debacle.
I hate to burst anybody's bubble but the idea that the Blazers would trade Fernandez & Outlaw for Poz is simply ridiculous. Even if they got other great pieces, the upside on those two guys is unbelievable. They have great careers ahead! The strength of that Portland team is their band of youth, and besides, they have just as bad salary cap issues as the Hornets if they can't scrape salary due to the Darius Miles shenanigans, although I think they have Raef LaFrentz's hefty contract expiring this summer.
I would like to see the Hornets get committed to run more. We were a plodding team in half-court and one of the slowest pace teams. Despite CP3 leading the NBA in assists, our overall team assists were poor. We just were not a multi-pronged attack, and it showed up in the stats and in our spectacular playoff destruction. It was strange this year because one of the few things I don't like about Coach Scott is his typical half-court offense is not real dynamic, yet his good teams had that ability to surge and dominate. Kidd and the Nets certainly did it, and last year the Hornets were terrifying in the 2nd half -- the other team knew a run was coming, and it would be crushing, decisive, and frenzied. This year's team never had that fear factor on their side, yes injuries blah blah blah, but that killer instinct to roll a team outta the game was missing.
Del Harris is a very experienced assistant who has coached bigtime all-stars before. I still like Alvin Gentry a lot. Avery would be a risk, but he's a gutsy player who learned a lot from coaching Dallas. I'd rather keep the one who brung us in Coach Scott, if he wants to stay....
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bigindian15
05/07/09 11:29 AM
Word is we're keeping him. So...that's that I guess lol
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benreed1088
05/07/09 02:38 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4148419
it is official hornets retain scott
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