Before we get to the meat of this post, I do want to say speculationg about trading Peja makes me feel a little sad. I like Peja, and I think he's still a valuable player. Unfortunately, I also think he is redundant, and that Posey, Butler, or in some respects, Julian Wright, can provide similar or more contributions - or would be easier to package into the cap relief the Hornets need. That, of course, leaves Peja and his contract to help the Hornets make any actual roster changes they might need.
To follow up on yesterdays proposed trade of Peja for Randolph, I figured I'd do a little more real analysis on whether Peja is moveable. Up until now, my first assumption was that Peja was with us until he was an expiring contract, and built trades around that assumption. However, it's been proven again and again that no player is untradeable - if a player has a huge salary and is underperforming that salary, there is always another player doing the same somewhere else. So I completed an excercise listing underperforming and highly paid players on other teams, and figured out whether I think the Hornets could, should, or would move Peja for them. Enjoy:
Zach Randolph: See the Trade Speculation Post, Part 1. Could it happen? I think this could get done.
Samuel Dalembert: Dalembert appears to have worn out his welcome in Philadelphia, and carries a contract that's fairly close to Peja's. Since Philly is likely to start Brand at center next year and run Thaddeus Young at power forward in an all-athletic lineup, this could get done. Peja would be a solid contributor in such a situation, providing shooting from the wings the 76ers currently lack. For the Hornets, Dalembert is still a very good rebounder - though I worry because he's now worn out his welcome both in Philly and the Canadian National Team - and both those teams could really use a determined rebounder. Could it happen? I think this could get done.
Shaquille O'Neal: It looks like Phoenix would like to go back to being run n' gun. Shaq doesn't fit that style - but does fit the Hornets slower style. Peja would be useful in a run and gun style, too, firing from deep. However, I do wonder if Phoenix would want to bring in salary that will still be on their cap during the summer of 2010. Still, this wouldn't be a disaster for the Hornets, particularly if followed by other moves. Could it happen? Maybe.
Ben Wallace: Wallace may retire, he may not. He's still a serviceable big man reserve, particularly as a rebounder, but he is greatly limited at this point in his career. The Cavaliers are looking for that one piece to put them over the top NEXT YEAR, however, and I'm not sure they'd view Peja as that piece, particularly with LeBron James playing the same position. Though I will say - Peja's better than Szczerbiak, both offensively and defensively. Could it happen?: Doubtful. But how desperate is Cleveland GM Danny Ferry?
Golden State's Wings: Golden State has a myriad of overpaid players - Ellis, Crawford, Maggette(sorta), and Stephen Jackson. Peja actually wouldn't be a bad fit for the Warriors, since he can run the floor and take three pointers all the freaking time, and all of those players (other than Crawford) have contracts that run much longer than Peja's does so it could be moderately enticing. If I was Bower, I'd at least make an offer. Could it happen? Doubtful.
Jamaal Tinsley: Here's an interesting thought. Tinsley didn't even play this year, as the Pacers exiled him. But combine him with the also overpaid Mike Dunleavy Jr, and this could have legs. Tinsley, though injured a lot, wouldn't be a terrible backup at the PG, and Dunleavy would be a little bit of an upgrade on the wing for Peja. The Pacers finally get rid of Tinsley - and don't have to worry about playing Dunleavy getting irritated playing behind Danny Granger. Of course, the likelihood of Byron Scott saying "Sure, let's get Tinsley" is about as likely as him suddenly growing out a full-on afro. Could it happen? Doubtful.
Gerald Wallace: The Bobcats always seem to be considering trading the somewhat injury prone and seemingly positionless Wallace.(is he a 3 or a 4?) Peja's contract runs two years shorter than Wallace's, which could be attractive to the Cash-strapped and poorly shooting Bobcats, especially if the Hornets took another bad contract like Nazr Mohammed at the same time. Still, I have a feeling the Bobcats could get a much better package for Wallace than Peja + a Pick from a team like Portland. If the Hornets did pull this off, I'd dance naked in the street. Okay, maybe not. No reason to scar the children in my neighborhood. Or their parents. Could it happen? Doubtful.
Andrei Kirilenko: Kirilenko frequently ends up being persona non grata in Utah, and is clearly overpaid despite the myriad of things he does well on the floor. Though Peja would be an asset in a Sloan's offense, coming off screens for shots, I'm not sure Sloan would see him as tough enough of a player. Both players have the same contract length, but Kirilenko's is slightly bigger, so the Hornets would have to send someone like Armstrong along with him. Still, if I had to pick a player to be on my team, I'd go for Kirilenko, which makes this trade: Could it happen? Doubtful.
Gilbert Arenas: I can't see anyone trading for him until he proves his knee isn't swiss cheese. If he does, he may not be overpaid either - though I doubt that. Could it happen? Unlikely.
Kirk Hinrich: I put him here because he makes 9.5 mil, and is probably worth more like 6.5 or 7 mil. He's in a bit of a logjam with the Bulls fielding Salmons, Rose and Gordon as legitimate guards, and he'd make a nice ballhandler for the Hornets off the bench. Still - Peja makes a lot more than he does, and though the Bulls would have Peja come off the cap quicker, he doesn't fit their youthe movement, would compete with highly-paid Loul Deng for minutes, and there are teams out there who can offer more for a pretty solid piece. Could it happen? Unlikely.
Eddy Curry: Curry has two more years, but at a lower salary number than Peja. In D'Antoni's system of running and shooting, Peja would actually have some value. Curry is essentially a poor Zach Randolph: A headcase capable of scoring inside, but without the rebounding. If we were going this route, I'd prefer Randolph hands down. For the Knicks, any trade that would increase the amount of salary the Knicks have in 2010 is most likely dead on arrival. Could it happen? Unlikely - Plus, just think how huge Curry would get eating N'awlins food.
Kenyon Martin: I have a feeling after Martin's defensive performance in this year's playoffs, the Nuggets will be unlikely to move their heavily overpaid Power Forward, particularly for a Small Forward, since I hear they already have a small forward or something. Could it happen? Unlikely - which is good, because I can't stand Martin. The lips tatoo on his neck is bad enough, but his arrogant demeanor just sets my teeth on edge.
Erick Dampier: Dampier is pretty heavily overpaid, though not as much as Peja. Cuban is known to take risks, and not have any issues at paying big salaries, but Peja doesn't seem to be the sort of splash he likes. The Mavs already have Howard(he could be on this list too) next year at the small forward, and his contract expires sooner, so trading Dampier for a second small forward seems pointless. Could it happen? Unlikely.
Tracy McGrady: McGrady is persona non grata in Houston, and I would be stunned if he came back and produced much of anything next year. Houston's GM Daryl Morey sets heavy store by statistical analysis - and Peja rates well in adjusted numbers - but terribly in efficiency. In the end I can't see Morey trading a valuable massive expiring contract right before the 2010 free agent bonanza for two years of a declining wing shooter. Could it happen? Unlikely.
Vince Carter: He's not as overpaid as some think - and New Jersey will be looking to take back shorter contracts than his, not ones that last the same amount of time. Could it happen? Not a chance.
Michael Redd or Richard Jefferson: Both players are paid like superstars, but aren't really. However, both are better than Peja, and are paid for the same length of time. The Bucks gain nothing by trading for him. Could it happen? Not a chance.
Jermaine O'Neal: O'Neal may be underperforming, and the Heat do need a decent small forward, but O'Neal's contract is expiring, the Heat have no other viable center under contract for next year, and there is no way they are messing with the huge amount of Salary Cap space they've been amassing for 2010. Could it happen? Not a chance.
So there you have it - three trades that at least wouldn't be laughed at by the GM receiving the call - and a bunch of really unlikely scenarios. Happily, those three trades are three more than I thought were possible when I started this excercise - and all address one of the primary Hornet's problems: Front Court Depth and Rebounding.
Hope your having as much fun as I am with this pointless speculation. :)


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The_big_H
06/02/09 05:22 PM
Trading Peja would make me sad too. I really like him, and for some reason a Peja triple is soooo much better than a butler triple.
Yes he is overpaid, but he is tradeable, though probably not straight up
I think this was posted on here before but Peja, West and Mo-Pete (all for 2 years) for Knee-Mac, Scola and Lowry (all expiring).
Or Peja and Mo-Pete for Chuckford and Maggettee (which would help take the scoring load and ball handling duties off Paul)
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bigindian15
06/02/09 06:07 PM
Trading Peja would make us all sad. One of my faves even before he came to New Orleans.
I don't think the Shaq trade will happen without Tyson Chandler. I'm almost 100% sure of that. I think the Warriors trade is more likely, just because they have shown a knack for making really really bad decisions in the past, like the Knicks or Clippers lol
#2
ticktock6
06/02/09 06:10 PM
One of the Philly blogs posted Dalembert for Peja straight up, and then thought *we'd* be crazy to do it.
Heh. I corrected them. Because then if the Hornets want to try a second time to give away Tyson Chandler for money and random players who aren't going to actually replace him, there would be someone to, you know, sort of replace him.
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Mikey
06/02/09 06:16 PM
The Sixers scenario does have some intrigue to it. That would actually be a good trade for the Sixers as well. It would drastically improve their 3-point shooting. And Peja is actually a pretty good passer when he wants to be. Dalembert's contract is the same as Peja's, so it would work straight up. I'd even throw in Hilton Armstrong for cash, or maybe Jason Smith's expiring contract.
#4
commentcava
06/02/09 06:27 PM
Update: WDSU now reporting we're not selling our first round pick. As per Jeff Bower.
#5
joe
06/02/09 07:48 PM
i agree i really dont have a problem with anyone on the team (except maybe brown but hopefully hes gone anyway) and would hate to see them leave but peja is the only one i would be pretty okay with leaving
I like the sixers trade if we can also try and gets something extra in return possibly like a 2nd round draft pick
I like the shaq trade but it leaves us in a serious problem with shaq and chandler who do we start??
the gerald wallace and golden state trade have no negatives now it only needs to get done thats all . . .
Oh and on the gs trade why would they take peja and mo for maggette and crawford???? i dont think their front office is that dumb
#6
Andrea
06/02/09 08:13 PM
I'd take on Dalembert or Shaq
I have a question though: Let's say we bring Shaq on this season. After the season, he comes off the books and we get $21 mil in salary cap space. Could we make a legit run at a guy like Dwyane Wade or Chris Bosh? I think it's a legit question. Even though we're a small market and baring anything unforseen, who wouldn't want to play with Chris Paul?
#7
bigindian15
06/02/09 08:29 PM
@Joe: The Warriors front office signed Maggette to replace Baron Davis even though they're completely different guys when they already had Monta Ellis playing the 2. They also traded for Jamal Crawford when they had a logjam at the position because of the aforementioned signing. They started Anthony Randolph in only 21 games even though they were TERRIBLE this year and he was their one exciting player who clearly needs pt to develop (that's probably on Don Nelson though).
So yeah, they are that stupid. Maybe they would like Peja to either a) tutor some of their young guys in the fine art of shooting, or b) stick it to the Kings on the other side of the Bay. You never really know lol
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Ryan Schwan
06/02/09 09:22 PM
I doubt GS would take Peja AND Peterson. That's probably our two lowest value contracts - and their players aren't so bad, there's just too damn many with the exact same skill set.
Andrea - if we drop 10 mil in salary to get under the Luxury Tax line this year(taking us to around 66 Million) AND trade for Shaq, taking into account Shaq expiring followed by increases in salaries that be owed to the Hornets other players, they'll be between 45-50 Million in Salary. The Salary Cap line is 56 million now and will probably drop some. The really big name free agents like Bosh, Wade, James and Amare will demand salaries starting at about 17 Million, which takes the Hornets out of the running unless they can get that players home team to sign the player and then trade them to the Hornets.
It's not out of the realm of possibility, but it would be tough.
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QueenBee
06/02/09 10:29 PM
Zach Randolph. Really? The guy seems to be oft injured and even when he's healthy it seems he's always in some kind of trouble. There has to be a better option to replace Peja with. There just has to be.
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Andrea
06/03/09 12:54 AM
@Ryan: Thanks
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Mikey
06/03/09 10:50 AM
Ryan,
How about a post on how the Hornets can possibly shed enough salary to get under the cap AND keep the core of the squad together, if that's even possible. I personally believe that Shinn will do everything in his power to get under the cap first. Believe me... that is George's 1st priority, no matter what Hugh Weber or Chad Shinn say to the media.
I don't see the Hornets selling their draft pick. There still may be some value in picking a player in the 20's. I can see them working a sign-and-trade like they did last season. Difficult to see; always emotion is the future.
In about half the mock drafts out there that I have seen, they have the Grizzlies take Hasheem Thabeet at #2. That brings this question.... If they go that route, then what do they do with Marc Gasol? Just throwing that out there. Gasol isn't the best rebounder, but he's already light years ahead of Hilton Armstrong, and he's not a turnover machine either.
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Ryan Schwan
06/03/09 11:35 AM
Yeah - that's coming next. It's not so easy, unfortunately. The Luxury Tax Line hasn't even been estimated - but could be as low as 65Mil - and as high as 70Mil.
I'm going with the median 67.5 Mil with the post I'm working on.
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corndeaux
06/03/09 12:03 PM
Never underestimate the stupidity of NBA front offices. Even though Isaiah is gone, there still are plenty of clowns- both owners and gms. I think the Hornets have a great chance of getting a deal done with Peja or with someone else.
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joe
06/03/09 04:26 PM
Any chance we could get Haslem from the heat?
Daniels and Armstrong for Haslem and future pick
Heat get a good point and a center (if they dont sign anyone their backup is mark blount i think they would want armstrong)
We get a workhorse with a 15 foot jumper and a draft pick for a furture year where they may not be in the playoffs (it matters on whether or not wade is healthy)
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bigindian15
06/03/09 05:17 PM
@trey: amen
@joe: Haslem is expiring too, they could probably get a better deal than that if they really, REALLY wanna get better. Otherwise, I actually like the trade for both teams.
We never really factored in a 3 team trade anywhere in this post. I really like Richard Jefferson on our team. And the Bucks tried like crazy to dump him at the deadline because they have a lot at that position too. Thoughts on something like this:
3 team deal - Dalembert to Mil, Jefferson to NOLA, Peja to Philly.
I know the Bucks already have Bogut, but they really don't have much more up front.
#16
joe
06/03/09 06:30 PM
i really like that 3 team trade alot and think it could work, dan gadzuric cannot be your backup center in this league
the thing about jefferson is that he is a solid defender, already had scott as a coach, a respectable shooter, but he is an even better slasher and thats something we desperatley need some movement, he would also run the floor well along paul and butler
only thing is we gain another million in salary, possibly daniels if miller/sessions dont resign?? I think that might help mil agree to it
(i know all i ever do is try and trade daniels but i just dont want to lose our core of paul, west, chandler, and julian (i just got a strong feeling about him and want to wait) so daniels is our most expendable peice)
#17
saltandcarbon
06/03/09 08:28 PM
@joe - I love the comment that Dan Gadzuric can't be a backup centre. We've got Hilton. Hilton friggin Armstrong. Or an undersized kiwi who has played admirably but probably should be backing up the 4. I don't think we need a Richard Jefferson-type-player, price or ball usage wise. Unless we get rid of Mr West also. I think we need to target a solid backup big and a 2 man. RJ is another wing. I like Rasual/Mo enough there.
#18
bigindian15
06/03/09 10:02 PM
@saltandcarbon: Ummm, moving from Mo Pete/Rasual Butler to RJ is a HUGE upgrade. It would be like moving from Rafer Alston to Deron Williams. He's somehow never been an all-star, but he's a good scorer, a good rebounder (numbers down this year though), a good shooter (numbers down this year because he had to carry the team because of injuries), he's a good defender, and a good slasher. He could come in and average 19/6 for us immediately and keep those numbers up for 3-4 years, he's only 28.
Another thing is, he's really versatile. He can guard the most athletic 2s and 3s, he's been to the Finals twice and has experience playing on bad teams (and carrying them) in NJ and now Milwaukee. He also has experience playing off of a great point guard, and most importantly, he is a Byron Scott guy, so his minutes most likely won't get yanked around like all our other wings.
I think we'd have to include Julian Wright (or a first rounder) to the Bucks to get the deal done, but I'm not as high on him as most people who comment here, so I'd be fine with it.
Just imagine if we get that trade done. Our starting 5 would be CP, shooting guard x (Butler, Mo Pete, or draft pick I guess), RJ, DW, and TC. Isn't that a really good starting 5?
Let's say we make that trade, then, in another 3 way deal (I'm big into 3-ways):
We send D West to Chicago and Daniels to Miami
Chicago sends John Salmons to NOLA and Tyrus Thomas to Miami
Miami sends Udonis Haslem to Chicago and maybe a future first to us to balance the salaries (somehow)
Then we have a starting group of CP, Salmons, RJ, Haslem and TC, with Posey, Butler, and draft picks or FA's off the bench at center and pg (Pargo maybe?). With that group, our offense definitely wouldn't be as stagnant, we'd still have good shooters spacing the floor, and maybe we could run an actual Princeton office without someone having to dominate the ball all the time. Ummm, that's a much much much better team than we had this year (or last year for that matter). I know it's kinda implausible, but hey, can't I dream?
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joe
06/03/09 11:13 PM
@saltandcarbon: I'd take hitlton and the kiwi over the flying Dutchman anyday don't even get me started on how his game makes me want to search YouTube for Hilton Armstrong highlights and watch his stone hands
Also how is mo pete and butler at the same level at Jefferson? Trust me il be the first to say that butler is the best two guard you've never heard of and I was also a bug critic of byrons desicuob to keep mo on the bench while he played brown way too many minutes but Jefferson is a great third option scorer and he's just everything I think we need in that 3rd scorer doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective and on the other side of the court he ain't no slouch
Love the first trade we need to find a way to get it done ( instead of Julian goin how bout a future 2nd rounder? Were gonna need areplacement crowd fav since Bowen is likely not to be resigned sadly, and doesn't everyone else get goosebumps when he shows flashes of his potential at home and the crowd goes crazy)
2nd trade not as much I want dwest back for at least one more year, even though I'm very high on salmons and on the lineup you said haslem was goin to Chicago
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saltandcarbon
06/03/09 11:21 PM
Of course RJ is an upgrade over Rasual, Mo and Peja. My point was, the wing position isn't our most pressing need. We already traded to get Posey for a crowded wing position. To me it isn't so far from saying let's go after Millsap to back up DWest (rather than Marks/Ely). We'd be deadly at the 4 - awesome - but still get bounced in playoffs because of lack of solid depth. If we're getting new players, I'd much rather see them focus on solving the backup centre and 1/2 position than wing position. If we can get rid of Peja and get RJ, I'd be estatic. But it doesn't address our MOST pressing needs, which was my point.
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joe
06/03/09 11:34 PM
But in the trade we do get rid of peja and get rj in return, I also beleive that front court depth isour biggest problem and thats why I think before we go after Thornton or some other guard I want to try and get gani lawal someone who looks like they could help us now while also having enough upside that he could become a key contributor down the road. One of the major reasons I want to try and get an early 2nd round pick so we could get a chance to draft a two guard
#22
ketirav
06/04/09 12:25 AM
Focus on these guys:
Von Wafer
Flip Murray
Rodney Carney
Chris Mihm
Lindsey Hunter
Draft picks I like:
Thornton
Ellington
If we draft that big white slow guy from Ohio State I'll get violent.
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saltandcarbon
06/04/09 03:42 AM
What would the chances be of getting the rights for Petteri Koponen from Blazers. Given what he showed against Bayless and Rose and co in the summer league, the Fin can play. And he's 6-4 and can play either guard spot. Does he just not want to come to the league or are Portland sitting on him becasuse of their logjam or is there some severe deficiency in his game I can't see? Anyone know?
#24
nikkoewan
06/04/09 04:48 AM
im really getting excited for next season. So many possibilities for the Hornets. All i am asking is that they should not trade their picks for money ever again( see Suns). That is so stupid. You are trading a player who has the potential to be something with a cheap contract. If he doesn't fare well, what is the difference with ely, or marks or ARMSTRONG?!
I could see 4 possible trades by the NOLA.
Jamal Crawford, ZBo( although I would much rather have Camby), Shaqtus and Dalembert.
Just hoping that Bower and Weber do what is right for the team both at present and in the future.
#25
joe
06/04/09 08:48 AM
@saltandcarbon: about koponen its definitely because of the logjam, i remember watching him play in the summer league and the announcers were talking about it
@ketriav: For some reason im wary about ellington, sure he is a great shooter but i just dont see him able to create much of his offense and do not want another stand around shooter, with thornton he can make plays himself, i also like the guy the hornets are working out soon Jermaine Taylor a solid 2 guard who over at Draftexpress has a whole bunch of offensive strengths (three point range, ability to create shot, ext.)
But i still think in the draft we should focus on the bigs, Earl Clark if he falls, Gani Lawal, Dejuan Blair, and i'm with Ketriav if BJ Mullens is on the board dont even look at him, everything positive about him is his "upside" and i dont want that right now i want a contributor
#26
joe
06/04/09 09:25 AM
also has anyone heard if devin brown will use his player option and stay on the team?? I dont know why he wouldnt it looks like he will get his minutes no matter what and probably wont find a better contract somewhere else, i hope he dosent but i havent heard anything
#27
Mikey
06/04/09 10:15 AM
@ Joe.... I do believe Brown picked up his player option, big shocker.
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Ryan Schwan
06/04/09 10:23 AM
He did, Joe - we have it posted over in the News section.
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joe
06/04/09 11:20 AM
My life pretty much just ended
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Ryan Schwan
06/04/09 01:13 PM
Over Devin Brown? Really? :)
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joe
06/04/09 04:44 PM
that and what it means, another 1 mil wasted, and if he wasnt playing that would mean his minutes would probably go to peterson and wright, so having brown means alot of other bad things that i just didnt want
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bigindian15
06/04/09 05:54 PM
Hahaha wait, you want this guy Petteri Koponen because of a SUMMER LEAGUE performance??? BIG mistake. Most misleading ever. Remember that foreign dude a couple years ago who constantly threw up 30 point games as a rookie in the summer league? Anyone know his name? Exactly.
We can't afford Paul Millsap, otherwise he'd solve a lot of our problems.
Look, RJ plays wing, but one of our biggest needs (more than another big guy in my opinion) was a slasher, someone who can create for other guys other than CP. He's also another consistent scoring option. The reason we were so dead in the middle is because we had Tyson injured and absolutely nothing backing him up.
Ok, I was bored at work so I came up with this:
3 way deal:
Peja to Philly
Dalembert to Bucks
Jefferson to NOLA
Trade: NOLA-Chicago
West to Chicago for Thomas and Salmons
Trade: NOLA-New Jersey
Daniels, Wright, Armstrong, and Salmons to NJ for Vince Carter
Then, we use our first round pick on Tyler Hansbrough, whom I've done a complete 180 on after he tested pretty well athletically at the combine.
Then, we roll out CP, Vince Carter, RJ, Tyrus Thomas, and Chandler, backed up by Butler, Posey, Hansbrough, Marks (when we need a big white 7 footer), and random point guard (Pargo?)
I really don't know if that cuts cash, but seriously, that's a great team, with really diverse scoring options because RJ and Carter can both go in the post (and maybe Tyrus will develop there too)
Also, we would have TWO white backup big men off the bench, so Chris "High as a" "Birdman" Andersen could go suck something
#33
BeesGivingEffort
06/04/09 07:23 PM
It's looking like Hansborough and Blair will be gone by 21 (Blair will be LONG gone) now and that Ellington may drop. Ellington didn't test poorly at the combine for his supposed lack of athleticism and size.
Bigindian we'd be the most exciting team in the league with that lineup. The best PG in the league with 4 high flyers around him? I have a feeling that we can't even come close to affording RJ and VC both tho, especially while keeping TC, but maybe I'm wrong.
Also, running over combine logs and stuff, CP3 apparently dropped a 38inch vert at the combine. This doesn't surprise me as I've seen him sky for rebounds vs big men and dunk on Dwight Howard but why doesn't he dunk more with that type of hops?
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BeesGivingEffort
06/04/09 07:38 PM
Looks like we save 1milllion dollars with the trade but than factoring in 1st+Pargo we'd be +4mill which we know shinn can't afford. But if Shinn pulls off a miracle similiar to this he is welcome to sell that 1st rounder imo.
#35
Ryan Schwan
06/04/09 10:16 PM
There is no reason for the Bucks to take Dalembert for Jefferson. Plus, every time they've tried to move him, it's for expiring deals. They want cap space, not someone else's multi-year problem.
Besides - if you are Philadelphia - why would you take Peja for Dalembert when you can just take Jefferson? Peja's one claim to fame is his shooting, but Jefferson shot almost 4 a game, and hit them at a better percentage than Peja did.
HornetsGoneSoft - there's one thing to remember about those stats. Players spend two-three months specifically working out to make those stats as impressive as possible.
When they go back to their standard regimen, focusing on endurance, conditioning, shooting and rebounding, etc, those numbers will sleep.
As for Paul - there are three considerations I can give you as to why he doesn't dunk:
1. His playing weight is 190+ now. More weight to lift up there.
2. His rookie and sophomore year, he took some VICIOUS hits trying to dunk in game. He bruised a tailbone, three ribs, and tore a ligament in his thumb while going hard to the hoop in just his rookie season. Since then, he's learned it may not be worth it.
3. He does still dunk - but usually only in exhibitions. He's generally gotta be going at full speed.
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Mark
06/05/09 12:38 AM
HornetsGoneSoft: Steve Nash said it best when he said it takes too much effort to dunk. If you're going to dunk ON someone, it's a chance the little guy's gonna get hurt. If you're on a fast break, it doesn't make much of a difference, as long as you get the points.
This was one reason I was critical over Devin Harris when he played for the Mavericks. I've seen my share of flopped dunks to appreciate it when a lil' guy goes for the layup.
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BeesGivingEffort
06/05/09 01:04 AM
That does all make sense, but still gotta give the little man credit, 38 was pretty far up that board.
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saltandcarbon
06/05/09 02:13 AM
I'm pretty sure Koponen was rated as an NBA ready backup by draft watchers in 07 too. But now we get Devin Brown. Awesome.
#39
Ryan Schwan
06/05/09 11:54 AM
No worries, guys. Devin Brown is being paid the league minimum. That means the league pays 80% of his salary. The only impact of having him on board is that he ties up a roster spot - and the Hornets don't really fill the roster anyways.
As for worry about his playing time - Scott only played Brown when he was desperate for someone, anyone, to come in, be aggressive and take some ball-handling duties away from Paul for a bit.
Bower has said he needed another ball-handling guard - and judging by the workouts the Hornets are conducting, that's what they are looking for. If they find that, Brown won't play. Worry little.
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bigindian15
06/05/09 02:37 PM
I think Hansbrough may still be on the board when we pick. I'd rather have Ellington, though
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joe
06/06/09 12:54 PM
Anyone read the story talking about Chandlers ankle/toe?
It says that it was worse than expected but after his rehab he should be back to performing and running the court like 2 years ago
Is this to generate positive trade buzz with other teams, or is it a sign for good hope for the hornets?
I hope its the latter
on another topic my list of who i would be okay with drafting (in order)
1) Gani Lawal
2) Marcus Thornton
3) Tyler Hansborough
4) Wayne Ellington
5) Jeff Teague
6) Patrick Mills
7) Jermaine Taylor
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Ryan Schwan
06/06/09 03:00 PM
If you mean the article in the Times-Picayune on Friday, Joe, it's linked up in the news.
I haven't done enough work on the draft yet to comment, but your list seems pretty solid, Joe.
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bigindian15
06/06/09 04:04 PM
I'd put Jonny Flynn above Hansbrough, but there's not a chance in hell he falls that far. Also, DeJuan Blair, whom we have a puncher's chance of getting...
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joe
06/06/09 04:48 PM
i took that it thought, other wise it be
1) Blake Griffin
2) Hasheem Thabeet
3) James Harden
4) Demar Derozan
ext.
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