The Hornets will need to cut about 10million in salary space. With a Salary Cap around 55 Million next year, the following teams will be significantly below the cap and able to take on salary freely next season:
- Atlanta - 40 Mil, Qualifying offer to Marvin Williams for 7Mil outstanding
- Detroit - 34 Mil
- Memphis - 34 Mil
- OKC - 42 Mil
- Raptors - 45 Mil
There will probably be about half a dozen teams or so vying for their cap space, so whatever deals the Hornets offer are going to have to trump the offers made by any other team. That means, of course, that we shouldn't be expecting any deals that make us fans particularly happy. That's reality, let's suck it up, folks.
So, this post is Rampant Speculation and some simple examples of the sort of trades we'll probably be facing in the off-season. They range from cringe-worthy to interesting, but there are some trade options amongst those five teams.
First, some things about those five teams for you to remember when you go off to make your own trades up:
- OKC already rejected Chandler once - and there aren't any assets the Hornets will be offering that would excite them much.
- Memphis has some bad financial issues, so they aren't going to take on salary unless they get a very good offer.
- Detroit has no pieces that are particularly attractive. Hamilton is past his prime and with a long contract - Prince is very well paid for what he does, and the rest of his team aren't even necessarily starters. Plus, they are eyeing Free Agents like Boozer and Millsap with their cap space.
- Atlanta hasn't been too keen to make trades due to their confused ownership situation. Their biggest need is also at point guard - which means the Hornets ain't playing.
- Toronto - They could be intriguing. I'll get to that.
Some Simple Cost Cutters
So here are some very simple trades to save the Hornets big gobs of money. These can be a bit painful, so brace yourself.
- Tyson Chandler to Atlanta or Detroit or Toronto for their first round pick. Memphis and OKC's picks are 2nd and 3rd respectively, and most likely won't be available for Chandler alone.(especially OKC) Saves about 9.5-10 Million.
- Tyson Chandler and Rasual Butler to Detroit for Amir Johnson and Will Bynum. Amir has a lot of hype - and Bynum was decent in limited minutes last season. I wouldn't expect much, though. Saves 10.5 Mil.
- David West and Rasual Butler to Memphis for Rudy Gay. Memphis's biggest lack is a power forward, and Butler will serve as a small forward in Gay's stead. The Hornets get Cap space - and a scorer on the wings. And make their big man problem worse. Ugly, because Gay is very overrated as a scorer(1.18 points per shot), and West is the opposite. Saves about 9 Mil.
Those are really the best possible scenarios I could come up with simple trades. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised to see Tyson Chandler traded to OKC for a second round draft pick or something.
One Interesting Possibility
In my opinion Toronto is probably the Hornet's best trading partner. Why? Because they have a premier star they are willing to move, as well as cap space. If the Hornets want to put together a deadly one-two scoring punch, they may have an opportunity here to do so.
Toronto also has a few things on their wishlist that the Hornets may be able to provide: A real center, wings to replace free agents Marion and Anthony Parker, and a backup point guard. Toronto also wants to shed Kapono's contract - or Marcus Banks contract with whatever trade they do make.
I like two different offers for Bosh, and I think each offer has its attractive and negative qualities for Toronto.
Chris Bosh 15.8 Mil and Jason Kapono, 6.2 Mil, total 22 Mil for:
- Option 1: Tyson Chandler, 11.8 Mil, James Posey 6.0 Mil, Hilton Armstrong, 2.8Mil expiring, Rasual Butler, 3.9 Mil expiring, Antonio Daniels, 6.6 Mil expiring, 31.1 Mil total
- Evaluation: Toronto can push Bargnani, whom they feel is a Power Forward, into the starting lineup next to Chandler. Rasual Butler and Posey, joined by a re-signed Marion or free agent, would provide a solid wing rotation and give Calderon shooters. Daniels would give them a back up point until/if Roko Ukic figures things out. Hilton provides them with a back up center - which they don't have now. To sweeten it all - Chandler's deal runs as long as Bosh's and is much smaller. Posey's is longer, but they'll need a tough wing player next to Bargnani, and Butler, Daniels and Armstrong are all expiring after the season.
- The Hornets Get: a Class A scorer who isn't the best big man match with their current power forward, a gaping hole at the wing, two crappy(probably) seasons of Kapono, and 90% of the cap space relief they needed in return.
- The Final Question for Toronto: Is Ditching Kapono's contract and acquiring Chandler and Posey worth losing Bosh and pushing their cap flexibility to next summer? I'm inclined to think not.
OR
- Option 2: Tyson Chandler, 11.8 Mil, David West 9 Mil, Rasual Butler, 3.9 Mil and Antonio Daniels, 6.6 Mil expiring, 31.3 Mil total
- Evaluation: Toronto picks up an All-Star in exchange for Bosh, a good center, a backup point to fill in until Roko Ukic steps up, and Rasual Butler to shoot from the wing position. This doesn't solve their Bargnani situation, but West can easily be moved again for a wing scorer and allow Bargnani to enter the starting lineup.
- The Hornets Get: a Class A scorer, a gaping hole at the center position, two crappy seasons of Kapono(probably), and 90% of the cap space relief they needed in return.
- The Final Question for Toronto: Is ditching Kapono's contract and acquiring West and Chandler worth losing Bosh and reducing cap flexibility greatly over the next two summers? I'd say so. I'd almost ask them to swap draft picks too if I were the Hornets.
If the first trade happened, I'd sit on Peja(after trying my damnedest to pry a long-contract swingman out of GS) - running out a lineup of Bosh/West/Peja/Kapono/Paul. The bench would again be weak, since they'd be reduced to Wright/Brown/Peterson, a rookie, and whatever minimum salaries they can sign, but that's a scary scoring lineup - if not much on the boards.
If the second trade happened, I'd burn up the lines to the Sixers, trying to get them to take Peja for Dalembert in the hopes of rolling out Dalembert/Bosh/Posey/Kapono/Paul, with Armstrong/Wright/Peterson/Brown, a rookie and some minimum contracts off the bench.
Bad benches in both situations, but the team would then be committed to a Paul-Bosh core. Both players are young, 25 and 24 years old respectively. In a season or two, bad contracts will leach off around them, and with judicious selection of a rebounder,a slasher, and some shooters, the team could be downright scary.
Oh - and just cause I like to share, my fantasy series of trades - none of which are beyond the realm of believability:
- Chandler/Posey/Armstrong/Daniels/1st round pick to Toronto for Bosh/Kapono. Sheds 5.2 Mil in salary.
- West/Butler to Memphis for Rudy Gay and Hakim Warrick. Sheds 6.7 Mil in Salary.
- Peja to Philly for Samuel Dalembert. Sheds 2 Mil in Salary.
- Total savings of 13.9 Million in Salary
Depth Chart
C: Dalembert/Marks(resigned minimum)
PF: Bosh/Warrick
SF: Gay/Kapono
SG: Wright/Peterson
PG: Paul/Pargo(If he re-signs at 3 mil per year, dropping savings to 10.9 Mil)
That would be sweet. So - what would be your own makeovers? To see salary numbers, use Hoopshype(an essential) to figure it out.
Best makeover wins a mural made out of Niall Doherty's toenail clippings.


26 fluffy comments post your own
Harry Davidson
06/08/09 05:33 PM
Could you get any reaction from bloggers affiliated with the aforementioned teams? Like you did with the Eric Gordon ramblings.
Btw, I love this blog. I'm a hornets fan living in a village in England and you do a great job of bridging the gap between here and N.O..
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Ryan Schwan
06/08/09 06:35 PM
Yeah - I already sent them a message.
Thanks for the nice feedback. :)
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Mikey
06/08/09 07:00 PM
Question... what the devil is a qualifying offer?
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bigindian15
06/08/09 07:58 PM
I'm more intrigued by Rudy Gay. He's not efficient at all, but maybe that's because he's on a terrible team and has been either the leading scorer or sharing the load with OJ Mayo, who naturally had an inefficient rookie season. And he played with inconsistent point guards who were always developing and getting their minutes yanked, not Chris Paul.
Tyson to Toronto for their first (#9), then draft DeMar Derozen, then Peja for Dalembert. Wishful thinking, I know, but hey, why not? lol
#4
Caleb462
06/08/09 08:16 PM
Man getting Bosh would be so awesome. I'd be okay with the Hornets giving up a LOT in terms of talent to get that guy, just because I believe a Paul/Bosh core could truly lead the Hornets to continual championship contender status... as long as a decent roster is maintained around them. MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!
neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com #5
Ryan Schwan
06/08/09 09:32 PM
Qualifying offers must be submitted to players who are Restricted Free Agents in order to allow the team to match an offers given to them by other teams. If a Qualifying offer is not submitted, then they can go where they want.
Marvin Williams qualifying offer is 7 million - so basically their cap functions at their Salary level + 7 million until they either renounce Marvin Williams, submit the qualifying offer, or flat out sign him to a new contract at a different number.
The fun minutiae of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
I agree Caleb. I think a potential Bosh-Paul core would be something you bet the farm on. Paul and Bosh working together and Dwayne Wade were two memories that really stood out from the summer's Olympic team. Bosh and Paul caused damage on both ends of the floor.
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LSUhornet17
06/09/09 12:20 AM
Either scenario for Bosh works for me. Though the second one seems the likelier of the two for sure. I'd love to see what those two guys could do together. I think Bosh would even prefer it. He didn't seem to happy after that let down this year. Hopefully him and CP became tight last summer and this seemingly far-fetched deal gains some legs.
#7
berlinhornets
06/09/09 12:31 AM
Greetings from Berlin. Love your work. It just seems there is no way around dismantling the team. would lve to have Bosh too, but wouldn't they want TC and DX for him. What about the Hornets saying they wont let fiscal reason dictate their decisions. Maybe I am naiv but I'm almost inclined to believe them. Assuming this, we wouldn't have to give up that many pieces. I actually would love to draft Hansbrough. I guess Byron must love him.
#8
The_big_H
06/09/09 01:58 AM
You are forgetting one aspect of salary dumping - Partial or non-guaranteed contacts.
For instance B.Scott best friend Jerry Stackhouse, Indy's Daniels, Cavs Crappy-o-vic.
We can trade guaranteed salary for non-guaranteed salary and simply cut and run.
For instance this deal
http://www.hornetsreport.com/HRForums/showthread.php?t=55838&page=2
(refer that link for original references)
$12,250,000 Tyson Chandler
$6,031,800 James Posey
for
$2,000,000 Jerry Stackhouse (waived)
$2,416,067 Shawne Williams (expiring)
$4,700,000 Matt Carroll (declining)
For New Orleans: They save $9,165,733 lowering their payroll to $67.8 mil for 11 players, After adding their #21 pick (12th man), they would be at $68.82 mil. They avoid the tax next year too with a clean slate when Peja comes off the books afterwards.
Crap deal i know...
#9
Ryan Schwan
06/09/09 08:57 AM
Naw - I know about trading for partial guarantees. However, I can't see the Hornets wanting to make Dallas stronger - and there aren't any other teams with a large salary available in partially guaranteed contracts.
I believe Chandler and Posey still have trade value, and I'd rather get something back, even if it's a mid-round draft pick.
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bigindian15
06/09/09 11:06 AM
Chandler still has trade value. I know it's the stupidest phrase in the world, but "you can't teach 7 feet!" and he's a legit starting center who can defend Duncan, Stoudemire, Oden (heh heh), Howard one on one as well as anyone.
#11
ticktock6
06/09/09 01:07 PM
Damn, the Sixers just messed up a bunch of these scenarios by trading Reggie Evans for Jason Kapono. Now they won't want Peja...
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jared
06/09/09 02:09 PM
If we would acquire bosh/kapono I would be sick if we start kapono over juju. Wright has all-star potential and if we do make cost cutting trades I say we just start him for a season and let him develop.
#13
Ryan Schwan
06/09/09 03:14 PM
@ticktock: It may kill the Peja-Dalembert idea, yeah. It doesn't much impact things in Toronto. They had a thinner frontcourt than the Hornets did, and we can swap out Marcus Banks's 4.5 Million dollar contract for Kapono's with a few adjustments.
So question to all of you:
If Toronto insisted that Julian be included in a Bosh trade - would that be a deal breaker for you?
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Caleb462
06/09/09 05:01 PM
@Ryan. Nah... not for me. Like I said above, when it comes to pairing a guy like Bosh (who has been and will continue to be a 20-25 PER guy for years to come), with CP... you have to be willing to give up a lot. "Bet the farm," as you said. I really like Julian and I still think he can become a productive NBA player... but when it comes to a blockbuster trade like that, I think anyone on this roster is fair game.
neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com #15
TheRonin
06/09/09 05:23 PM
I am going with Caleb on this. I would be sad to see JuJu gone, but as long as Bosh is healthy that is the 1,2 punch that produces rings. You have no rings in LA without a big to compliment Kobe, Rings dried up real quick without an effective big in Miami. I believe if you put Bosh on either of those teams you have a ring. Likewise, if you give CP3 that weapon and just some consistent, not necessarily great, play out of the bench we would be on the cusp if not actually attaining championship level play.
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Niall Doherty
06/09/09 06:34 PM
I'd throw in Julian if it would land us Bosh, definitely. Put first things first, lay the foundation, then fill in around it. There's a reasonable chance we'd be able to pick up another JuJu-type player via the draft or free agency, but the Bosh's are much harder to come by.
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bigindian15
06/09/09 09:15 PM
There are 3 Juju's in every draft. Huge potential, but just need pt and some grooming to realize their potential. I'd say about 9/10 don't pan out, and the others turn into Shawn Marion, but they still won't be as good as Bosh :D
#18
HarryDavidson
06/10/09 01:36 PM
How likely is it that there is correspondence between Hornets and and the Raptors?
And would CP3 and Bosh be talking?
Because Bosh wants a ring right? And we want to cut costs.
I guess I'm ultimately asking how would this trade happen?
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Dodgerblue15
06/10/09 04:00 PM
Before you guys go jumping all up on Bosh's potential, remember that kid has averaged only 73 games per season for his career, and over his past four that's dropped to around 70. If you bet the farm on him, he absolutely NEEDS to stay healthy for at least 78 games for the Hornets to have a legit shot at making the playoffs, let alone contending for a championship. I mean, the West will be even tougher next year (think about how much better the Warriors and Thunder will be for example). Also, I don't think you mentioned this, but if the experiment fails, the Hornets could potentially be left with Chris Paul and scrubs at the end of the season seeing as how Bosh can opt out of his contract. The Hornets might be better off waiting for a sign and trade, or demanding that an extension is in place before they trade for Bosh. Also, not sure if it works out, but I would make sure that Pops Mensah-Bonsu is included in the deal to make up for giving up all of their competent bigs. In all honesty, the Hornets would be better off with Amare Stoudemire, as much as I hate to say that. His game fits better with CP3.
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bigindian15
06/10/09 04:58 PM
@DodgerBlue: Bosh doesn't have chronic knee/foot problems like someone like Yao Ming or Gilbert Arenas though. He has one time injuries that clear up after 3 weeks, like a sore ankle or ribs or whatever. He played 77 games this season on a garbage team (where he would be pissed and fake injuries if he was gonna be like that).
Also, I don't know why you say the West will be tougher. I REALLY don't see how the Warriors will be better, and the Thunder will be better but still probably fringe playoff team. Utah will be worse because they'll either lose Boozer or Millsap (or possibly both). Houston might lose Knee Mac and Artest, and Yao probably won't be healthy a full season again (even though they were better without him last year). Denver will be worse (most likely) because they'll probably lose Kleiza and maybe Andersen and Billups will be older and without that big chip on his shoulder. And nobody knows what will happen with LA if they lose this finals. Kobe could opt out for all we know (as a Laker fan I know it's hard to hear, but let's face it, you never know what Kobe's gonna do). The only teams I see definitely being better next season are Portland, OKC, and Phoenix with a healthy Amare.
And, let's say CP + CB doesn't work out. Then we have a huge chunk of cap space open for the summer of Amare, Wade, Bosh, LeBron, etc. Even if we don't get one of those guys, teams with huge amounts of cap space will blow it on those guys so other solid guys (haven't checked out the list of 2010 FA's yet) will be available. And I gotta think NO is a pretty desirable location now, having warm weather, a revived party city, and a great point guard.
Also...Pops Mensah Bonsu?? You mean the 6'10" guy who shot 35.4% from the field this year? Not exactly gonna replace TC and DW there lol
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Dodgerblue15
06/10/09 05:37 PM
BigIndian,
Good point about free agency. If I were any of those free agents I'd be drooling over playing with CP3. But, ownership is shaky at best financially, so that could be a sticking point with big time free agents.
As for the GSW, Monta will be fully healthy and ready to go. Biedrins has done nothing but improve each and every year he's been in the league. That team won 34 games in spite of all their troubles. Loads of talent, just a bunch of identical types of players. They might not make the playoffs, but they'll be a tough team to beat. As for the Rockets, look what they did without T-Mac and Yao in the playoffs. Don't write them off. Loads of talent on that team too. Utah might be worse, though, they'll have either Boozer or Milsap, so they won't fall off that much. Plus, they'll have a healthy Deron Williams to start the season. Still more talent, even without Boozer, than the Hornets right now. I forgot about Minny too. They were playing really well until Al Jefferson went down. Could be a much improved team next year. San Antonio will have Ginobili, and perhaps Bouroussis. And don't laugh, but the Clips have a shot at being good based on talent alone.
How is Phoenix going to be much improved? They still can't defend and no way Shaq plays that many games again, not at 36. Amare wants out and Nash is 35.
And, for the record, Pops averaged 15 rebounds per 40 minutes, far better than anybody the Hornets have right now. And, playing with CP3 and getting lob passes for dunks with all of that athleticism, he'll be a Tyson Chandler in the making yet...He's only 25. At the least, a poor man's version, which is more than i can say for Armstrong...
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Niall Doherty
06/11/09 07:27 AM
Thoughts on the Bosh trade ideas from Raptors Republic:
http://raptorsrepublic.com/blog/2009/06/10/goodbye-k-fraud-bosh-trade-speculation/
Quote:
"What neither package includes is draft picks which to me is a deal-breaker. Depending on the Hornets’ valuation of Bosh and their belief that their current squad as assembled isn’t going anywhere, they could be suckered into giving up a pick or two. They were already willing to trade Chandler for Wilcox so the question is whether they’ll be willing to give up West and picks for Bosh. What the proposed trades also don’t addresses is our need for a scoring guard, we’d be swapping big man for big men plus Rasual Butler who is at best a great role player. The Raptors’ most glaring need is at the wing positions and these trades don’t address that in a starting capacity."
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Mike Yonker
06/11/09 10:22 AM
you need to pee in a cup. I don't think the rest of the league is "in it" to help the Hornets get better and not go over the cap...
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Mikey
06/11/09 03:09 PM
I'd take Pops Mensah Bonsu over any backup big the Hornets have right now. I'd be willing to take a chance on a guy who's a bit unproven over a guy that has proven he cannot contribute consistently. (Sean Marks, I'm not talking about you) Gotta agree with Dodger on that.
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lilrip133
06/17/09 08:16 PM
id take the second in a heartbeat. especially if we could ask for a pick switch and grab some wing talent. dumping peja would be wonderful, especially since i honestly believe kapona could be equally effective (which is relatively ineffective). but sadly, i doubt we'll be able to unload his contract. a frontcourt of dalembert and bosh would be an absolutely perfect combination, and having posey and paul on the perimeter would do a great job of covering up kapono's lack of interest in defense. regardless what happens, our bench is going to suck, especially with devin brown still in town (ugh) so i dont mind trading our bench players.
and the mention of pops. i'd salivate over bringing that dude in. he's got ridiculous upside. was possibly the most athletic center in the ncaa back in his college days. and i wouldnt be too opposed to a rudy gay/ hakim warrick trade. honestly, david west is a high post scorer anyway, which in terms of spreading the floor (when you dont have a consistent offensive big) is no more helpful than having a wing scorer like rudy.
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