Now that I've finished speculating(read: drooling) over trades that will most likely never occur, it's time to move on to the draft. Through various methods, the Hornets have indicated that they are most likely not selling their pick this year, and intend to use it.
(Now, to me, that means we'll probably see a trade (Tyson Chandler probably) on draft night. Jeff Bower is a pretty conservative GM, so he's not likely to be willing to take on a guaranteed rookie contract unless he already has something in place to start cutting salary. I both fear and anticipate the outcome.)
Anyways, the purpose of this post is to get an idea exactly what draft picks are worth historically. Long time readers of this blog or the blog I wrote before Niall paid me one billion dollars to join him here at Hornets247 will be familiar with this post, since I've done it the past two years.
Evaluating the Value of a Draft Pick
To determine the value of a pick, I assigned an overall career ranking based on a bastardized Wages of Wins Win Score and applied it to all the players who have been taken in the drafts since 1984. I also cut off my evaluation of players after 2005 since most players don't reach their true level of play until their third season - and I haven't yet been able to upload this seasons stats. Finally I jammed those numbers into a simple Grade ranking. Below is what each grade means, and I give an example player the Hornets drafted:
- N/A - the player never logged an NBA minute. (Tim Pickett, Andrew Betts)
- F - The player never developed and earned only minor garbage time minutes - or was really, really bad. (Cedric Simmons, Marcus Vinicius)
- D - A substitute - possibly in the rotation, but a 7th or 8th man at best. (Lee Nailon)
- C - A fringe starter, sixth man sort. (JR Smith)
- B - A good starter (David West, Jamaal Magloire)
- A - A star (Baron Davis, Chris Paul)
The picks fell rather logically into groups based on their average rating so I’ve collated those groups in the below table and then determined the % chance of receiving each classification of player.
| Pick(s) | "A" Ranking |
"B" Ranking | "C" Ranking | "D" Ranking | "F" Ranking | "N/A" Ranking |
| 1 | 55% | 18% | 23% | 0% | 5% | 0% |
| 2-5 | 35% | 23% | 22% | 15% | 5% | 1% |
| 6-10 | 17% | 17% | 21% | 30% | 15% | 0% |
| 11-18 | 8% | 14% | 20% | 28% | 30% | 1% |
| 19-27 | 5% | 9% | 18% | 34% | 32% | 3% |
| 28-37 | 2% | 5% | 9% | 27% | 41% | 15% |
| 38-60 | 1% | 1% | 10% | 18% | 30% | 40% |
So what does this tell us? The 1st pick is worth a lot more than any other pick, period. With the 1st pick of the draft, there is a 72% chance to land a major player. However, as soon as the pick drops to any of the spots between 2nd and 5th, only a little more than half the players are starter quality, and one out of five will be awful(D ranking or worse). I should also note there is no significant difference between picking 2nd and picking 5th. The players taken in those spots produce almost equally in the NBA.
The next group are Picks 6-10. As you can see, the odds of picking up a starting-caliber player or better has dropped to one in three. Still, with one of these picks, there is a great chance of landing a useful player(54%), and a solid 17% chance you'll get a star.
Picks 11-18 are where the numbers start bottoming out. While still likely to land a rotation player, the chance of getting a star is small. You are also more likely to get a total bust(31%) than you are to get a starter.(22%)
19-27 continues the trend, with more players falling into grade D and lower(69%) though it is still possible to land a good player. The odds are that one of nine the players picked in this range will at least be a starter, and another two will land in a rotation. The rest? Yuck.
Picks 28 through 37 are essentially the last chance to get anyone worth drafting. Almost half the players taken here will only stick with a team for a couple years while a rare few will pan out and be good.(7%) The bad news is a team has the same chance that a draft pick will never play an NBA minute(15%) as it does finding a valuable contributer.(16%)
Players taken after 37 are pretty much throw-aways. Almost half will never play in the NBA, and a bare 2% will ever be considered good. Two teams will probably dig up decent rotation players, but they've clearly beaten the odds.
Value of the 21st Pick
To wrap this post up, here are the stats specifically for the 21st pick of the draft, which is currently held by the Hornets:
| Pick | A | B | C | D | F | N/A |
| 21 | 0% | 23% | 18% | 27% | 32% | 0% |
The numbers are slightly misleading as Michael Finley was a 21st pick, but due to the last few years of low production on the Spurs, has slipped to a "B" ranking for his career. Rajon Rondo was also taken 21st, but was drafted in 2006, and I didn't include players drafted after 2005. Other than those two, players like Boris Diaw, Jeff Foster, Anthony Parker and some guy named Erick Murdock top the rankings, with Morris Peterson, Nate Robinson and Jon Barry not far behind. Of course, there are also disasters like Pavel Podkolzine, Qyntel Woods, Joe Forte, and Dickey Simpkins.


22 glorious comments post your own
bigindian15
06/09/09 01:17 PM
And all that isn't factoring in that this draft really sucks pretty bad
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bigindian15
06/09/09 01:18 PM
Also, just noticed that today is Peja's 32nd birthday. Is this something we celebrate, or does it just decrease his trade value?
#2
corndeaux
06/09/09 01:33 PM
One of the best ways for the Hornets to remain financially viable is to keep their picks and develop players. Its young talent at a very reasonable price for a good chunk of time even if the odds of getting a star are slim where the Hornets will be picking for the foreseeable future.
I can see them selling Chandler (similar to the Camby deal last year) to a team for a couple of 1st rd picks. I would nominate Memphis or OKC but they draft way too high. Chandler for future number 1s would send the bloggerati into a tailspin, but be fine with me.
#3
chefcdb
06/09/09 02:03 PM
I would bet it's Antonio Daniels who is moved on draft day, perhaps with Hilton. This especially makes sense if all the talk about Jannero Pargo returning to the Hornets is gonna happen. AD has an attractive expiring contract, and perhaps the Hornets may even use the potential for trade bait to move up a few spots to nab their targeted player.
While Marcus Thornton of LSU would be a popular pick, and he seems to have a good upside as a hot shooter who will work on his defense; I wonder how Tyler Hansborough will turn out as a pro? Will he be like an injury prone undersized Tar Heel such as Scott May or does his jump shooting truly have enough range (I remember him hitting a few deep shots last year early in the season) to allow him to hang with the variety of athletes who play the 4 spot?
Either guy being there at #21 would seem to be surprising to me...
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Mikey
06/09/09 02:35 PM
"bloggerati" I love it! Can I use that, Trey? That's not copywrighted, is it? I wouldn't be opposed to Trey's stance on selling off someone for picks. I just don't know if it would be Tyson. Teams will be leary of the "$11 million toe".
#5
F******
06/09/09 02:46 PM
Those number-draft-analysis isn't very meaningful. Getting a helpful player out of the draft (at 21 for example) is possible every year!! But it depends more on social factors than on statistical. Find the player, the coach is going to give an opportunity at the right spot for such players' skills! That's it and that's the tough part, too.
It's very difficult to discover a rookie with the experience and lobby that coach scott is looking for!!
#6
Ryan Schwan
06/09/09 03:11 PM
I disagree entirely that the draft outcomes are based on social factors. No amount of love and care was going to turn Hilton Armstrong's stone hands into something useful.
Talented players who end up with a coach that don't use them successfully typically land somewhere eventually where their talents are used appropriately. Anthony Parker, for one, who ended up in Europe for years before finding the right place in the US. Pargo, who found the right mix in New Orleans after two years of a whole lotta nothin' in LA and Chicago.
I'm a strong believer that talent and drive wins out - and those are inherent to the player, not a system. A system may support them, but is only a small part of the puzzle.
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The_big_H
06/09/09 07:48 PM
Your analysis should include how the Hornets have performed in the draft as well, because for all we know the Hornets are drafting A players no matter where they draft because a Tobi says you can get one every year if you are good/lucky enough.
And there is no way of knowing (percentage wise at least) if it better to sign a FA or draft.
But given that only 5 people can be on the court at once, and given that you must have top level talent, the only way of winning in the NBA is to try your luck at the draft, no matter the odds.
#8
saltandcarbon
06/09/09 08:27 PM
Well, Philly just got their shooter. Kapono for Reggie Evans - both proof that the Peja for Dalembert speculation was pretty hopeful and also that the Raps are strengthening their front line for when Bosh high-tails. I like the Bosh trade better for us anyway...
#9
joe
06/10/09 10:30 AM
Anyone think that memphis would want to give up the 27th pick for daniels (they have no backup point, and their not gonna use the 2nd pick on a backup) and maybe Armstrong or a future 2nd rounder?
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bigindian15
06/10/09 04:48 PM
No way, it's a young team and they aren't even close to contending. They don't want an old backup. Maybe they would take Daniels + Hilton for the pick because Hilton is young and they are both expiring, but I wanna get more than just a crappy pick in a crappy draft for that much expiring, because I think a lot of teams need both backup pg's and expiring contracts. I really think Daniels is more of an asset than we're factoring in
#11
corndeaux
06/10/09 04:49 PM
Unfortunately I am not nearly clever enough to come up with bloggerati. Don't know who said it, but I saw it somewhere else. Feel free to use it at will, Mikey.
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joe
06/10/09 05:45 PM
I don't really agree that this draft is so bad, the only reason it's thought to be so bad is because there aren't many superstars, and their isn't much difference between pick number 15 and number 25, which is good for us since we are mainly looking for guys on the bench, not franchise players. And right now in our draft range there are guys like Thornton who can help score from the bench and then there are guys like hansborough and lawal who can provide interior toughness and rebounding, and a chance to get both of those instead of having to choose just one is a good way to get better
#13
bigindian15
06/10/09 07:08 PM
I think this draft is bad because there really aren't any sure things except (IMO) Griffin and Rubio. And by sure thing, I mean legit starter. There are like 6 more guys who could be fringe all stars or busts, and even more who are just complete wild cards.
#14
joe
06/11/09 10:51 AM
What do you guys thinnk about Drew Gooden? He may be getting older, but he can definitely rebound, ok with limited minutes, has an ok jumpshot out to around 15 feet, and he would most likely come cheap,leaves us open to get thornton
#15
Andrea
06/12/09 01:34 AM
@joe: Gooden's not getting old. He'll be 28 a month before the season starts. I'd like the pick up. I've always thought he's been a solid player when healthy.
#16
F******
06/12/09 08:48 AM
Look at the rosters of the most successful teams. There are a lot of players that were ripped before they were drafted. But they are winning championships with the Lakers, San Antonio or Boston. A team needs big talent for their go-to-guys, that's right! But there is so much talent for your role players, which is unseen by general managers and unused by the coaches.
#17
Mikey
06/12/09 11:09 AM
IMO, the draft priority has to be getting a reserve interior rebounder. There is really no telling how many possessions the Hornets gave up, and/or allowed the opposition to extend, this past season because their rebounding was so poor. (Actually that's not true. I'm sure Ryan has some algorithm that determines exactly how many posessions the Hornets lost due to shoddy rebounding.) In the '07-'08 season, the bench had a defensive identity. They didn't score a whole lot, but they were able to hold leads with their defense. This past season, they had a "we suck" identity, which directly has to do with poor rebounding, and lack-of-effort fouls.
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bigindian15
06/12/09 03:44 PM
The problem with getting a big in the draft is that bigs are the biggest wild card. They're like wide receivers in the NFL, most of them just end up sucking because they have no moves, aren't athletic enough, aren't motivated enough, get fat, etc. We saw that with Simmons and Armstrong. I mean, the only big guys I feel comfortable in this ENTIRE draft thinking they will definitely be even adequate rebounders are Thabeet, Griffin, and Blair. I'd rather get a guy like Thornton or maybe Hansbrough
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Ryan Schwan
06/12/09 10:07 PM
Interestingly enough, the post I started working on earlier today was about the big men in the draft. Probably won't be up until Monday though. Figured I'd devote one post to the big men, since that's what I think our biggest need is, and then I'd cover the rest of the draftees.
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berlinhornets
06/13/09 06:58 AM
Drafting a big is probably the most glaring need for us. Nevertheless, I am pretty sold on Thornton to the Hornets. As for the need of a big man to back up DWest, what about Bostjan Nachbar? I heard he is returning to the NBA and pretty unlikely to return to the Nets. I guess he wont demand too much money since at times he wasn't payed at all in Russia. Getting him and Pargo and drafting Thornton would solve a lot of our problems regarding the second unit.
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Ryan Schwan
06/13/09 10:39 AM
Nachbar isn't a big man. He's a small forward who likes to shoot - and not particularly interested in rebounding.
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