Last night, the Hornets selected UCLA point guard Darren Collison with the 21st pick in the draft, and later acquired LSU 2-guard Marcus Thornton (43rd pick) from the Heat in exchange for their 2010 and 2012 second round picks.
Both players will be introduced by the Hornets today at 3 p.m. Central. More info on that when we hear it. For now, let's see what folks are saying about the Hornets' moves on draft night...
NBA.com lists the Hornets among the losers on draft night:
Darren Collison may have been a reach at No. 22. And he's also a point guard. Finding a backup for Chris Paul, who plays a ton a minutes, doesn't seem to make much sense in the Big Easy. The Hornets need scorers, especially on the wing, to play with Paul.
Collison is a bit of a surprise here. The Hornets had one tiny point guard in Chris Paul and now they have two. They had bigger needs than backup point guard, but I do believe he's going to be terrific in that role ... if Chris Paul ever leaves the floor, that is... Thornton played at LSU so he should feel right at home. He's a nice pick. He's a big-time scorer, but his lack of size and athleticism hurt his stock a bit. He has a chance to stick.
More from Ford, who gives a Hornets a B- grade for the draft:
A team with huge holes in the frontcourt addressed, instead, its backcourt.
I think Collison is rock solid and a terrific backup for Chris Paul. He's steady, he defends and he can really push the pace of the game. Thornton is a terrific scorer who slipped because of his lack of size and so-so athleticism.
I like the picks, with my only issue being that Hornets passed on a few big men who could have helped, like DeJuan Blair, B.J. Mullens and DaJuan Summers.
Defensive stalwart ideal tag-team partner for Chris Paul ... Play versatile guard along Paul and Hornets fast break becomes blur.
Collison is probably the fastest player in the draft, and he’s an excellent shooter, which is why he’ll be a perfect second-quarter point guard for the Hornets. He’s not terribly decisive in the halfcourt offense. He tends to over-dribble and is not a strong post passer. Those limitations may prevent him from ever becoming a significant regular. The Hornets might have made better use of Sam Young, but Collison is a solid pick.
At The Hive looks at some stats and finds that Collison may be better than most people think. An excerpt:
...let me address the "8th or 9th best point guard" deal. Collison was absolutely not the 8th or 9th best point guard in this draft. He was the 8th or 9th most hyped point guard in this draft. Huge, huge difference. For two straight years, he'd lost his buzz to more famous backcourt mates at UCLA- Russell Westbrook and Jrue Holiday...
Collison is a college senior, a category of player that empirically does not do well in the NBA. Flynn, Evans, and especially Holiday are absolutely teeming with upside while Collison has almost no upside. But can anyone definitively say Collison is not a top 5 point in this draft, filled with so many excellent ones? Absolutely not.
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33 mighty comments post your own
Juncti
06/26/09 08:47 AM
Seems like some good picks. Thornton pick should at worst put some extra season tickets in the rack with the LSU obsession we have around here. For all the critics of Collison listed above, doesn't seem like they watched many Hornets games except the end of the season respiration.
We don't need this guy to come out do Chris Paul, and Chris Paul was only not coming out of games because we had no other options to give him a rest (which I think burned him out after the previous season/Olympic run). We really just needed someone that can come in and maintain the tempo and not let the game go all to hell the second Paul is on the bench. Seems like we got that.
I don't think any of those few bigs would have been worth burning out Paul again this season.
I'd still go get Pargo if they can package up and move Daniels. I think being 3 deep at guard with Paul, Collison, and Pargo would be pretty solid. Especially with the multi-guard sets Scott likes to mix in when he can.
Paul starts, then maybe Collison comes in and plays with Paul, then Pargo replaces Paul giving him some rest. Some variant of moving them in and out to keep the defense hustling. Since we don't have the big man presence it seems like we should focus on speed and conditioning and let these guys wear out the other teams.
#1
saltandcarbon
06/26/09 08:54 AM
Well, Collison comes across as a stand up kid, so will hopefully command the respect of the Hornets vets straight up. And he looked pretty good in that almost-teal UCLA getup.
Still wish we could've rolled the dice on Blair though...
#2
Zwie
06/26/09 11:41 AM
I love that idea of a 3 guard rotation......!!!!!
not only would that keep the tempo up,, but just think of the havoc we could cause on the fast break......
#3
joe
06/26/09 12:41 PM
also another positive this draft played out so wierd that several other solid big men fell out of the draft and could be picked up for our summer league team. Luke Neville a 7'2 center out of utah who actually played really well already said he has interest from the hornets, and Josh heytfelt also fell out. We can pick up both of these guys onto our summer league team and find a solid big
#4
Mark
06/26/09 12:52 PM
Although Collison seems to fit, now I'm concerned with how coach Scott decides to use him. I hope Collison can adapt well, since I see alot of stagnant pick and roll offense next year (with Armstrong?), whereas he seems like a speedy open court point.
For what was available and how hyped players kept dropping, it appears to be a good draft, but in a conference (division, even) that improves every time you blink, we can't be content with just the relative success of a draft. Let's find a way to get younger this off-season.
www.dogpile.com/ #5
Caleb462
06/26/09 01:29 PM
"Finding a backup for Chris Paul, who plays a ton a minutes, doesn't seem to make much sense in the Big Easy"
Dur... nba.com, CP playing so many minutes is exactly why a backup makes so much sense.
I like the draft.
neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com #6
bigindian15
06/26/09 01:45 PM
Agree 100% with Chad Ford (for once), though I'd give a solid B :)
The problem with re-signing Pargo and having that 3 guard rotation is...where does that leave Thornton? Assuming he makes the team of course
#7
Mikey
06/26/09 04:01 PM
Passing on Blair stings a bit, but i understand the thought process. At barely 6'7", he is definitely undersized (even though I saw him BEAST on the 7'3" Hasheem Thabeet on at least two occasions last season), and he does have some issues with his knees. He does great instincts around the basket, especially in regards to rebounding though. But all in all, Collison's a solid player, and getting Thornton for two 2nd rounders helps me to hold my lunch down. I think out of this draft, the Hornets got two could-be solid rotation players, but I don't see either them being any more than a 7 or 8 man thru next season.
#8
Niall Doherty
06/26/09 04:12 PM
PistonPowered got a doctor to weigh in on DeJuan Blair and Austin Daye’s medical histories: http://tinyurl.com/mrob5t
I wouldn't be surprised to see Blair do very well in the NBA. He landed with a great organization and he has a chip on his shoulder from falling so far on draft night. Sure, he's a risky pick, but there are far more busts than sure things after the first 20 or so picks.
www.ndoherty.com #9
tinyarch
06/26/09 04:57 PM
I like this draft. I was hoping they would get back into the second round to get Thornton. I think they they could get something from golden state. Somebody posted eairler about ronny turiff. That's a good call. Especially if they pull off this amire trade. We could dangle Tyson and Daniels for something.
#10
bigindian15
06/26/09 06:07 PM
Tyson and Daniels for Biedrins and Turiaf and I'm fine with it
#11
bigindian15
06/26/09 06:08 PM
Not saying that happened, but if it happened I'd be good
#12
ticktock6
06/26/09 06:18 PM
I want to see Thornton make the team and I want them both to PLAY. Good cheap guys that need to be given a chance to develop, and I will get annoyed fast if Devin Brown plays over these guys. We've had Pargo... we've gone small before. And it looks like both of these guys should be able to run a little. I think it's good. The people who criticized the Hornets' draft... what else do they think they should have gotten? What's the rate of bigs being a bust as opposed to guards? Probably higher, right? With a 21 pick you target the need that you think you can fill with whoever's left. There were a bazillion guards in this draft. It is what it is.
hornetshype.com #13
urgmasdaughter
06/26/09 06:29 PM
Turiaf is alright but watchin him this season I'm not totally sold. He's a great story and has a good leadership quality but I like the scenario Niall posted earlier:
"An excerpt from Cory Elfrink at RotoTimes.com:
J. O'Neal in return for Chandler and Daniels (the Heat need another point guard unless they plan to use Wade there). O'Neal has the second largest expiring contract and he would be able to replace Chandler in the middle."
Jermaine O'Neal . . . come on. That would be the big move we need.
#14
joe
06/26/09 06:55 PM
@vandalfan: The reason we are trying to trade tyson (besides financial reasons) is that he is inconsistent and injury prone, and oneal is even more in both categories so no way do i want this trade to go through. I do like the biedrins and turiaf trade however giving us 2 solid big men who can play and contribute
#15
Ryan Schwan
06/26/09 07:13 PM
Sorry guys - you're forgetting the reality of the matter. The Hornets still need to shed about 10mil in salary.
Trading Tyson for guys who make the same salary as him isn't going to help.
www.hornets247.com #16
Moam125
06/26/09 07:54 PM
I dunno about J. O'Neal. . . I believe he is on the down side of his career and wouldn't bring anymore if not less defense than tyson. Very inconsistent offensively.
I wish we would have risked some with Blair. . . .
#17
bigindian15
06/26/09 08:49 PM
@Ryan: if we get biedrins and/or Turiaf, we can pretty much just give some other guys away and have a complete team. I think we could easily trade Butler and Armstrong for a second round pick if we had to, and I think those guys might be expendable now
I'm just really really really really afraid we will sign Pargo now. It would be such a stupid move, because that would guarantee that neither Collison nor Thornton will see any minutes. I'm also terrified for both of them, because Byron doesn't really have a history of trusting rookies since he got here
#18
joe
06/26/09 09:37 PM
@bigindian15: I agree on the pargo front, getting him back would make the collison pick a very questionable decision and i dont see the point in going through with it especially with our money situation as it is. I would rather that money be going towards a player like Bass or Anderson
#19
johnny_utah
06/26/09 09:43 PM
Have any of you guys seen the draft review for the hornets and grizzlies? David Aldridge thinks we NEEDED Young. Just wondering what people here think of that...
#20
Caleb462
06/26/09 10:47 PM
I don't see how O'Neal could help. For a big guy he's an inefficient scorer... and he's nowhere the rebounder a healthy Chandler is. Now 2003 Jermaine O'Neal is a different story.... but 2009 O'Neal? I don't know.
Now Turiaf + Biedrins... that'd be money. Biedrins is the European Chandler (Probably not the defender Chandler is... but on the same level as a rebounder and gets his points even more efficiently) and you can't ask for more than Turiaf in a backup big - he gets boards and blocks shots. But why would GSW give up both those guys and is it even feasible financially? Just getting Turiaf would be a big plus.
neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com #21
bigindian15
06/26/09 11:03 PM
Tyson, Daniels, and Armstrong for Turiaf and Biedrins. They'd get 2 expirings, one as a vet pg and the other as a young big man, and Tyson, who is basically Biedrins but more athletic to go with the rest of their guys. I dunno if they really are in search of expiring contracts though
#22
lilrip133
06/26/09 11:18 PM
why would we want turiaf OR biedrins. both suck.
but all in all i think this was a retarded draft. patti mills came in and dropped the fastest end to end time in hornets draft workout history (yes that includes chris paul) and then we pass on him, then spend 2 draft picks in classes that will most likely be stronger than this one to get the guy we shouldve got at 21 in the first place (other than dejuan blair).
the whole acl deficient thing has really been blown out of proportion though. most athletes with acl deficiency at the professional level have such overdeveloped quads, that the quadriceps take over the anti-rotational role that the acl has anyway. if garrison hearst can play running back for a solid career in the nfl without acl's, im sure dejuan blair can be healthy without acl's in the nba. i think picking blair and making the same trade for thornton would've been much more beneficial for us.
#23
Caleb462
06/26/09 11:32 PM
Biedrins and Turiaf suck? What are you smoking? Biedrins is one of the best rebounders in the league and gives you 11 or 12 points a game at an insanely efficient rate. He's a damn good center. And Turiaf, as I said... is everything you can ask for in backup big.
As for Patty Mills... yeah, he's fast, so what? He's horribly inefficient, can't shoot from long-range... doesn't rebound much, and for a point guard he has very low assist rates yet high turnovers.
As for passing on Blair... only time will tell. I wanted Blair, but I'm still happy with this draft.
neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com #24
nikkoewan
06/27/09 03:23 AM
hello guys! its been a long time since i last posted something. studies go first. anyway
i like what they did with the thornton thing. its good for the team( his from LSU so that may help shore up the fan base), good shooter, quick, basically pargo with less money.
Although im a bit surprised with the Collison pick. I never heard anything of him in mock drafts. I would have cried tears of joy had we gotten Blair and Thornton but im fine with Collison.
Now, lets hope we get some value picks for Butler, Daniels and Armstrong( we still need to save cash), then sign Gortat and Diogu then lets start the season!!!!
#25
Moam125
06/27/09 04:59 PM
How come everyone keeps wanting to ditch rasual?? I thought he was a great steal for us to fill the two spot and shoot from the wing. Not saying he is the best but he def got the job done and for a way good price. He will never be the spark off the bench we desperately need but he played great with chris paul. (Thornton isn't going to fill that spot this year if ever. I'm just hoping he turns out to be a solid 7/8 guy who can create his own shot.) I also like butler's wing span as a defender. And all for what? 3 million or something. . . ?
Trade daniels armstrong and peja/mopete (if anyone wants one of those last two) for a back up big while keeping our core together. Collison, thornton, ju ju, posey, and ??? isn't so bad a bench. . . . . Oh yeah. And devon brown! :-)
#26
Caleb462
06/27/09 05:39 PM
Hey I'm a huge fan of the phoenix, and I don't think anyone wants to ditch him. It's just that he's one of the team's most tradeable assets right now because of his bounce back year and because of his contract. Mo Pete is essentially the same player but with a worse contract, so he's less tradeable. What Thorton can be remains to be seen... but to say he can't give the team what Rasual gave them is underestimating Thorton's potential and overestimating what Rasual gave us.
I personally see Thorton's cieling as a 15 PER sort of guy, either as a scoring sixth man or starting shooting guard. The absolute best and least likely case is probably a 16-18 PER borderline all-star. On the other hand, he could spend his career at the end of the bench... we won't know for a while.
neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com #27
moam125
06/27/09 07:00 PM
I sure hope you are right about thornton. I'm just trying to be realistic and not too optimistic about his potential. If we could keep rasual for a couple years, hopefully while getting thornton the minutes he needs to develop, that would be great. I'm all for strengthening the team for the future. But I'd like to win some next year too.
Any reports on what teams are rumored to be pursuing the bigs from the Jazz? I know they are out of our price range but whatever teams pick them up might have expendable bigs the Hornets could get their hands on. . .
#28
lilrip133
06/27/09 10:22 PM
today the pacers anounced that they won't be picking up marquis daniels' option so he's becoming a free agent. i would love to see him somehow make it to the hornets. he may not be as reliable a shooter as rasual butler, but he's much better at creating his shot and can double as another ballhandler to take some of the pressure off chris paul. maybe if we could move rasual as an add-in to get someone to take peja off our hands (and maybe they can take devin brown too as a consolation prize)
#29
bigindian15
06/27/09 11:06 PM
Rasual wasn't a great defender, as the numbers at the end of the year showed (someone posted a big thing about that, can't remember when). We can definitely upgrade at that spot. Let's be honest: 32 minutes per game and only 11 points per, playing next to the best pg in the league? That's pretty bad...sure, he occasionally had 7 rebounds or 3 blocks or something random like that, but for the most part he was only there because we didn't have anyone else that Byron liked.
Also, he wasn't really consistent. He would be lights out for 2 weeks, then off for 3. My favorite part about him was that he was really clutch. Not just game winners, but it seemed like every time we needed a big 3 in the fourth, he came through. But like Caleb said, Mo Pete is the same guy.
With Daniels, Hilton, and Rasual, that's like 12 mil in expirings, and while I don't think we'll trade all of them (because we want some cap relief too), I do think Daniels is definitely on the move. Sign and trade to Indy for Marquis Daniels would work for both sides I think because they need a point guard too, and for a team hoping to make the leap to playoff team, a vet off the bench would be a great stabilizer
#30
BeesGivingEffort
06/28/09 11:24 PM
You need more than 2 tiny terrors to run a fast break...
Thornton has a very well rounded all around offensive game and can nail the big 3. There is a reason so many people were hyped up bout wanting us to pick him at 21. If you think 2 2nd rounders in the low 50s isn't worth Marcus Thornton, I will vehemently disagree. Don't underestimate having the bravado and the drive to be a good player, regardless of athleticism. I would put Thornton in the top 5 of this draft in terms of thinking he's ready to contribute in the NBA and not being intimidated.
On Collison, I think he is a good situation to develop as it should be pretty apparent they want him in that backup PG role. Since we don't really have space or money for anyone that could compete with him, he should develop quicker (especially with Chris Paul). I am assuming Daniels gets shipped out of course, but I think Byron would prefer Collison's athleticism at this point and the kid did play 4 years in college so he will be much more polished for a limited role.
Personally, I would much rather the Hornets shed Daniels contract and one other expendable than trade Tyson Chandler. Tyson fits in really well for us offensively and defensively and if our bench is just a little bit better and we are healthy, we have a very competitive team again. I know it's silly to think but I could very easily seeing Collison and Thornton outplay the crap we saw from Devin Brown and Antonio Daniels last year. Who knows, maybe our young beanstalk would play better under a consistent 2nd team.
#31
corndeaux
06/29/09 11:14 AM
Now is definitely the right time to sell on Butler. There is no way he will match what he did last year (career highs pretty much across the board at age 29?). I wouldn't care if they gave him up for a 2nd round draft pick just to clear cap space.
If the Hornets resign Pargo after this draft, we riot.
#32
Andrea
07/02/09 03:05 PM
Hated the Collison pick. I've seen him play enough that out of all the guys who were analyzed on this site, he was the guy I least wanted us to take. How in the world did we pass on Sam Young and DeJuan Blair?
#33