The NBA Free Agency period commences tonight, as NBA teams may begin negotiating with Free Agents at 12:01 AM July 1st. Usually, free Agency is usually a time for optimism. The past few years, the Hornets have identified primary targets, and then gone out and signed them, picking up Peja Stojakovic, Morris Peterson and James Posey. This time, however, I have a feeling a lot of Free Agents - and the fans of a lot of teams - are going to be disappointed because only a small number of teams are willing or able to offer sizeable contracts.
What the Hornets Can Offer
First off the Hornets are over the Salary Cap. In the NBA, that means they can only make better than minimum offers to their own players or take advantage of a pair of Exceptions offered to all NBA teams. The first is the Mid-Level Exception. Every year a team is allowed to offer a contract or contracts equal to the average salary of an NBA player. The past two years, the Hornets have made that offer to James Posey and Morris Peterson. Teams are also allowed to offer a bi-annual exception every two years as well, which is a contract worth roughly double what most players would make on a minimum contract. Both of these exceptions will be available to the Hornets this off-season. So all together, if they wanted to spend, they could contracts worth about $7.5 million, with the biggest possible contract being worth about $5.6 million.
What Will the Hornets Offer?
I don't have a clue. Really. I've posted a lot here about the Luxury Tax and its effects - and how I think some combination of Tyson Chandler, Hilton Armstrong, Rasual Butler and Antonio Daniels could be moved to get the team under the Luxury Tax Line. That's all well and good - but without knowing what trades may happen, it's impossible to really figure out what sort of players the Hornets might target in the off-season.
The latest rumors have Tyson Chandler(plus a minimum contract like Devin Brown) possibly being traded to Phoenix in return for Ben Wallace. Ben Wallace has expressed a desire to retire - which could allow the Hornets to pay Wallace a much smaller portion of his $15 million guaranteed contract and have him leave, giving them the Luxury Tax relief they are seeking. There are some interesting roadblocks - The Hornets would only want to have to pay Wallace $5 million or less in order to cut the salary they need to - but Wallace will probably want more - and I don't blame him. He doesn't have to retire, in fact, he could just sit around out of shape and collect the $15 mil. That he's giving up any of that guaranteed cash at all seems pretty decent of the guy.
Regardless of what happens on the trade front - whether Tyson gets sent out for peanuts like I'm expecting or not - the Hornets already need big men who can rebound. If Tyson goes, they need it even more badly. So who could the Hornets get? Here's a list of big men they could target - as well as how much each would probably cost.
Tier 1: Will demand the full Exception.
(Some will want more and probably not get it)
Antonio McDyess - McDyess has always been a very solid rebounder, and he combines that with being a low mistake player with adequate scoring and solid defense.
Marcin Gortat - Someone is going to pay the Polish Hammer their full exception. I have no clue if he's worth it because of the limited minutes he played - usually against another teams backups. He did post some crazy statistics, grabbing a huge 20% of available rebounds and scoring efficiently. I think he's probably worth the risk, but who knows.
Drew Gooden - over the course of his career, Gooden's been a pretty good rebounder, and his scoring has been solid too. He's also always been a headcase and lame defender, but he's still an okay player. I doubt San Antonio lets him go.
Anderson Varejao - Varejao is a pretty up and down player. Overall, he's an okay rebounder, a good defender, and a fairly decent finisher. He also thinks he's much better than he is. I'd stay away.
Brandon Bass - Bass is going to be grossly overpaid. I know he's pointed at by a lot of Hornets fans as "the one that got away" and pumped up into some awesome player who the Hornets made a terrible mistake over, but that's not reality. As a scorer, Bass is fairly solid, getting points efficiently on a nice number of shots. As a rebounder, he's pretty awful, actually. his best season as a rebounder he dragged down 13.4% of rebounds. David West beats that number - and like I said, West isn't so hot himself.
[Edit] I somehow let Chris Andersen off the above list. He should be there, right below Gortat - since he's 31.
Tier 2: Probably will get a deal in the $3.5-5 Million range.
Zaza Pachulia - Pachulia is pretty tough, is a better than average rebounder for a center, and scores efficiently. He does turn the ball over more than he should, but he's definitely serviceable.
Jamaal Magloire - Magloire has never figured out he should shoot less often than he does. He likes to turn the ball over and has always been mediocre as a scorer. However - throughout his career he's been good for delivering some pain in the paint - and controlling the boards nicely. He could be serviceable in a backup role.
Chris Wilcox - Wilcox's talent is putting the ball in the basket. He's always scored well and kept his turnovers to a reasonable level. However, he's a worse than average rebounder, and hates passing the ball. I'm still fixated on a rebounder - and he's not cutting it.
Joe Smith - Joe Smith has been Chris Wilcox Lite over the last three years. Same bad rebounding, slightly less scoring. If we're going to go for someone, go for Wilcox.
Rasho Nesterovic - I've always been a fan of Nesterovic, who never got enough credit for what he did well. Unfortunately, he's now 33 and declining - so whoever pays him probably won't get his best. As a scorer and passer, he's at his best. As a rebounder - he's poor. The Hornets need boardwork, so I'd pass on him.
Glen Davis - Big Baby is horribly overrated. He's mediocre at scoring - and the worst rebounder in this group. In fact, he barely surpasses Hilton Armstrong as a rebounder. No. Thank. You.
Tier 3: Scraping the bottom of the Barrel
These guys probably can be had for the minimum. I'm not happy about any of them - so ranking them by preference was too annoying to bother. Instead, I simply ranked by boardwork.
- Aaron Gray
- Shelden Williams
- Ike Diogu
- Sean May
- Sean Marks
- Chris Mihm
- Stromile Swift
- Donyell Marshall
- Mikki Moore
- Austin Croshere
- Joel Anthony
D-Leaguers:
- Richard Hendrix
- Courtney Sims
Tier 4: Please Don't. Please. These guys either suck or are done. Two of em couldn't ever crack the big man rotation for the SuperThunder - where they were desperate for big men.
- Jason Collins
- Jarron Collins
- Robert Swift
- Juwan Howard
- Melvin Ely
- Saer Sene
- Raef Lafrentz
- Michael Ruffin
- Theo Ratliff
- Calvin Booth


40 jaw-dropping comments post your own
JoJo
06/30/09 03:54 PM
Marcin Gortat should be our number one priority. Rarely can you find a big man available who has big game experience, rebounds well (17 per 48), blocks well (3.2 per 48), shoots a good percentage, and is still in the beginning of his career.
The guy was essentially a rookie last year so he has lots of potential. His defense is way above average already and he doesn't seem to be a huge injury risk. I don't see the downside of at least offering him the midlevel.
Truth be told I'd rather have him than Chandler in our starting lineup next year. Even better if it allows us to free up some future cap room to sign someone big in 2010.
Let's compare the two while keeping in mind that Gortat's sample size is extremely small since he played elsewhere before coming to the states.
Age- Tyson is a year and a half older and has likely peaked since he came into the league so young. Gortat has just started his accent to the pinnacle of his career.
Injuries- Tyson has a hustory of injuries and his toe problem appears to be real since OKC declined him as a gift earlier this year. Gortat has no known history of injuries.
Rebounding- Among guys who played over 40 games Gortat was second in rebounds per 48 with 17.2. Tyson averaged 13.1 on a team that didn't have even one other decent rebounding big man.
Scoring- Tyson wins this one statistically thanks to CP3, but how many would he have have scored without him? His offensive game is literally dunks and tip ins. The last time I saw him make a jumper was three years ago in Chicago. His post moves are about as good as mine (which isn't a compliment).
I've seem Gortat hit fadeaway jumpers. I've even seen him beat someone one on one in the post. Can anyone say the same for Tyson? Gortat's offensive game will surprise many if he starts playing with Chris Paul. Just a guess, but it wouldn't be a surprise to see him average 14 or 15 points as the starting center in New Orleans net year.
Defense- Tyson is always hearelded as being this great defender, but having seem both of them fairly extensively now (Tyson the last 5 years and Gortat in this years playoffs), I wouldn't say that Gortat is far behind. When the Magic went big and defensive in the playoffs look who Dwight was paired with up top.
All in all us Hornet fans want to see Gortat in a Hornet's jersey next year. He's the guy we could replace Tyson with for cheap without sacrificing much of anything. Done right we might even acquire some young talent in a Tyson trade.
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Caleb462
06/30/09 04:29 PM
"Just a guess, but it wouldn't be a surprise to see him average 14 or 15 points as the starting center in New Orleans net year."
Actually, yeah - that would be huge surprise. I don't think Gortat has that kind of offense in him... he still seems pretty raw offensively to me. Everyone is high on Gortat right now, and there's no question he's been an absolutely excellent backup... but whether or not he's a starting center remains to be seen. Especially a starting center of a healthy Tyson's quality. Certainly he could be, especially if his per 36 numbers hold as his minutes increase, but let's not jump the gun.
Regardless none of this really matters... at this point the Hornets can't target one of those first-tier guys because they can't afford to offer the full midlevel.
neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com #2
At the Hive
06/30/09 04:44 PM
IIRC, Richard Hendrix signed with Orlando's Summer League team. After all the pimping I did of this guy last year, he goes and totally ignores us? Truly heartbreaking.
(Then again, I'd be stunned if the Hornets FO were even dimly aware of his existence).
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bigindian15
06/30/09 04:55 PM
@jojo: "I don't see the downside of at least offering him the midlevel."
Oh my god, please tell me you're joking. Gortat is this year's annual "guy who plays pretty well for 1-2 series in the playoffs and makes $38 mil from it" only this year, the economy sucks so he'll make like $26 mil.
Gortat didn't really prove anything. He played really limited minutes and no one had ever heard of this guy until the Cavs series, when he was guarding Big Z, who is 500 years old and has no feet, and Varejao, who has no offensive game at all.
Then in the Laker series, like you said he played alongside Dwight Howard (who guarded the toughest guys) when they went big for the sole reason that the only other big guy (not including Hedo and Shard, because they're perimeter) was Tony Battie, who got shipped to NJ as an expiring contract. Nuff said.
Gortat is a backup. That's it. I don't see him being anything more than a backup-good backup over his career. I actually really like the guy, I think he's fairly badass, but look at the last two midlevels we've given out - Mo Pete and Posey. They both have underperformed (not Posey as much) and we have been begging for 6 months to dump their contracts somehow. Now you wanna do that for Gortat?
Also, listen I'm %#@!-ing tired of heard about per 48 minute stats. There's a reason guys don't play 48 minutes. I don't care that Will Bynum or Wilson Chandler average 39 points per 48 when they only play 15 minutes. Gortat is an exception, because he's playing behind the best center in the league, but for the most part, it's a really overrated stat IMO
Also, here's the thing that shocked me the most about this post...CHRIS ANDERSEN IS 31??? I thought he was like 28! Wasn't he like 25 when he got suspended?
One guy I would not mind signing for the minimum is Shelden Williams, just because he performed so well for so long at Duke against the best college competition that I really think he can regain that if he just gets some confidence. It would be worth 2 years at 1 mil a year to take a flyer on him (whatever that means)
#4
urgmasdaughter
06/30/09 04:56 PM
I think a reuniting of the Birdman would be nasty in NO. I think his energy would electrify this team but who knows the reality of him comin back to us, I hope he's our number one target. I'm not too high on Gortat either but we got no room to talk, we gotta shed some money and when the dust clears we gotta hope we have a team that somewhat competes.
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bigindian15
06/30/09 04:58 PM
Also, what happened to Jamaal Magloire? I hadn't heard anything about the guy since we traded him, and that was like 5 years ago. Now all of a sudden he appeared on the Heat and kinda sucked for them too. Also, he had attitude problems. I remember distinctly hearing Wilbon rant about him for a good 90 seconds because he covered his eyes on a dunk to show up the opponent. Why is this guy gonna get 5 mil a year? I'd much rather have Chris Wilcox, who's also younger
#6
Caleb462
06/30/09 05:44 PM
"He played really limited minutes and no one had ever heard of this guy until the Cavs series."
Only sort of true... the general public had no knowledge of him, but people who were really paying attention to basketball knew him. Dave Berri had been hyping him up for some time because he rates so well in the Wins Produced metric.
All that said... I have the same reservations as you. However, I do think he has the potential to be more than a backup... but to say he can come in and replace a guy of Chandler's quality? I'm with you. Way too premature to say that... we will just have to wait and see
neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com #7
Caleb462
06/30/09 05:46 PM
@At the Hive... "(Then again, I'd be stunned if the Hornets FO were even dimly aware of his existence)."
Yeah... and that really bothers me.
neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com #8
bigindian15
06/30/09 05:48 PM
Really, let's be honest: what is Gortat's absolute highest ceiling? Probably a poor man's Chris Kaman. He'd give like 11 and 10, with average defense and take up a lot of space and look kinda goofy doing it. Tyson's already done that with better defense. So what if he's a year and a half younger? Tyson has like 8 years of experience somehow and has a decent contract, even if we are trying to dump it
I think we will end up signing a center though, because I just have a feeling in my gut that Tyson for Tmac is gonna happen with the news about Yao. Then again, with Yao out they might wanna keep Tmac. It's hard to say.
Also, apparently Tmac's contract will be partially paid by an insurance company if he misses time next season. So good stuff lol
#9
Mikey
06/30/09 08:40 PM
Actually, I wouldn't be suprised if the Hornets brought Sean Marks back as a bargain big. (one that can be had for the minimum) When the Hornets moved him to center last year (mostly out of necessity) his production greatly increased. Looking at that "tier 3" list, nobody else really jumps out at me. As far as the "tier 1 or tier 2" players go, I am at a loss. I cannot really even think of a direction to go. Glad I'm not Jeff Bower.
#10
StefanC
07/01/09 02:15 AM
Mikey: "Glad I'm not Jeff Bower."
Amen!!
#11
saltandcarbon
07/01/09 04:38 AM
Am I completely, barking mad to think Sean May is worth the absolute minimum to see what he can do with a change of scene and a second chance? He has always shown flashes, maybe May just needs new headspace and the confidence of playing with a CP3-type (and maybe I'm just high off the Birdman's second coming...)
#12
corndeaux
07/01/09 08:42 AM
Gortat would be a waste at the full mid-level. Hornets will definitely resign Marks for the minimum. Just like Bowen, he's cheap.
Just to throw it out there, I hope we've at least talked to the Bulls about a trade. They drafted two forwards and seem to be down on Tyrus Thomas. No idea how they could make his salary work, but he would be a healthy dose of energy and youth on the front line.
#13
Ryan Schwan
07/01/09 09:22 AM
Gortat isn't just "the guy who played well in the playoffs". His season numbers - even last year - show a guy who rebounds very well - and his other numbers are pretty solid.
No, he's not even close to the defender Tyson is when Tyson is healthy, but Gortat is a guy who could be worth the mid-level.
The question isn't whether he can produce when on the floor. It's whether he can produce for starters minutes. He hasn't even come close to proving that.
It looks like a bunch of rumors are bouncing around that the Hornets might go for Brandon Bass. That could make some of you happy campers.
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cpthunda
07/01/09 03:23 PM
I think Ike Diogu or Sean May would fit very well for the Hornets. Diogu has been in 2 systems in which he simply did not in the style of ball that was being played(Nelson's Warriors and O'brian's Pacers) then he was the 5th man in on a loaded frontcourt in Portland. May is highly skilled but has been riddled with injury problems that lead to him not being in shape. I know these are excuses but think about what Tyson Chandler did before he came to the Hornets, the answer is he did nothing noteworthy b/c of injuries which are still an issue. You can give either one of them for cheap, they both fit in our system, and they'd both be getting a chance at playing decent minutes for the first time in their careers. Oh and both are still reletivly young.
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bigindian15
07/01/09 03:42 PM
Ummm I'd be fine if we re-sign Brandon Bass, but I'd put the over/under for a fist fight between him and Byron at January 15. Problem is, Brandon is going to cash in, probably like $6-8 million per year with such a crappy free agent class this year, especially up front. Who is his competition? Millsap (will get like $10 mil per), David Lee (same), and that's really about it.
I dunno, I'd rather have Shelden Williams than Sean May. May never was much of a rebounder, he's pretty soft, and as far as injuries go, he's off the charts. He's played a whopping 82 games...in THREE seasons in the league. I don't really wanna take a chance on the guy, especially when we have a training staff that, not to be impolite, has guys injured for 100 games every other year. Then again, I'm the guy who wants to trade Butler for JJ Redick, so maybe I just feel guilty for LSU beating them in the elite 8 and making JJ cry...nahhhhh
Chris Wilcox might be the way to go IMO, just because our second unit again might not be so great on offense (if 2 rookies are playing 10-15 minutes per game, they'll take time to get used to nba speed/strength), and getting a backup big with an actual offensive skillset will allow rest for West as well. We do need a good rebounder off the bench, but I kinda think a scoring big might be just as important. West played monster minutes last year not only because of his size, but because we just couldn't score when he wasn't on the floor. A lineup of Collison, Thornton/Butler, Wright/Peja, Posey, and Wilcox would be a solid (probably not spectacular) second unit both ways
#16
JoJo
07/01/09 04:11 PM
@ bigindian
First off, Brandon Bass? Please tell me YOU are joking. First of he's a power forward which we have. Secondly he's a trash rebounder. What does he bring to the table for us?
Gortat didn't just have one or two good playoffs series, he played well the whole year. Sorry you don't believe in certain stats, but his rebounding and shot blocking are what we need in a center. FWIW his per 48 rebounding numbers trumped that of Tyson's best year ever.
Why is he not a starting center? Because in the past (playing behind Dwight Howard) he hasn't been? You realize that outside of Jefferson and maybe Bynum there aren't any good centers left in the west? Then you have Duncan, Gasol and Amare who can player center, but mostly stick at the 4. Who can't he match up with??
And why do you think his ceiling is Chris Kaman?
People are worried about him not being able to play 30-35 a night? You know who else I am worried about? Tyson Chandler (and for good reason). He's had two surgeries this offseason. OKC rejected the deal of Tyson for an old boot and two used scratch off lotto tickets because his foot is @#$@ed. If the doctor who performed surgery says your foot is messed up, it's messed up.
That said we need to shed salary.
There's a ton of interest in Gortat around the league and I can't say I ever really expected to get him, but it is one scenario that puts in in a way better position than we are in now financially without sacrificing much in the way of talent. Gortat still has potential. Tyson has reached his peak.
#17
JoJo
07/01/09 04:21 PM
The most recent rumors are that we are going to send Chandler to the Suns for Ben Wallace (who will presumedly accept a buyout).
@ indian- Not to be a dick, but go through that list of free agents that Ryan so graciously put together and find someone better to sign as our starting center. Seriously man it appears you would rather have Wilcox (who can't rebound OR block shots) or Bass (who we don't have a real need for) than a solid big man.
#18
Caleb462
07/01/09 05:00 PM
Re: Bass. He's not quite the horrible rebounder he's being painted as... as a defensive rebounder he's pretty solid (he was an excellent defensive rebounder in his limited minutes when he played for us), it's his offensive boardwork that is lacking and that drags his total rebounding % down. Would I rather have a big man that is a great rebounder on both ends? Yes, but if Bass is actually an option I think he has to be considered. 16 PER power forwards off the bench are not easy to find. He might not be the garbage man type that so many people (me included) really want... but he would upgrade the bench tremendously. I'd be happy.
neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com #19
dreamteam92
07/01/09 05:13 PM
I'm sick and tired of injury prone players (ahem - reference last year) combined with not a lick of talent on the bench.
Let's get this straight - 2007-08's season was a fluke if you ask me. The entire team stayed healthy for a bulk of the season. These are players named Chandler, Peja, and Mo-P that happened to stay healthy that season...never again will that happen, we need to make BIG some changes.
1st off - CP3 allows for ANYONE to have an opportunity to turn an All-Star...as long as they can play in a rec-ball and they are not nursing their injuries for 1/2 the season. CP3 is "the best point guard in the league," according to B. Scott. (and not to mention MVP to NO fans). Lets get him BIG, healthy players to work with.
2- Think HEIGHT + STRENGTH + DURABLITY for our new guys...while also using that thought, get RID of Chandler (lacks 2 of those 3 qaulities), Arm(weak)strong, and Ely (no talent.). Free up some cap space - PLEASE. Give up these guys to teams that want to run all day and that need all skinny C's. PHX, NY come to mind. I do not mind a possible trade for B. Wallace as long as he want to play (health is a ? which stinks), but I do think a better trade would be for D. Lee in NY.
3 - Using the "big men" list above and the thought process of HEIGHT + STRENGTH + DURABLILITY I'm going to make this selection a basic process of elimination. Cut McDyess(6-9), Bass (6-8), Wilcox (6-10), Joe Smith (6-10), and Baby Davis (6-9) off the list asap. Basically we need someone 6-11"+ perhaps even a 7-0" first, then go get one of these shorter guys.
4 - Gortat ("some of the best footwork I've seen" - said Jeff Van Gundy during the finals), Zaza, Varejao, and Nesterovic are on my short list - get one of them.
5 - Then combine them with another player who will clean up their REBs and solidify the middle against the true big men of the league (Dwight Howard, Shaq, KG, Duncan, Gasol). I'd like this person to be D. Lee (trade), McDyess, or Diogu. Then for the bench we just need the one more good quality ENERGY - having Marks is a good start, then what about Mikki Moore...or Stro Swift?
A majority of these "big men" are not what the Hornets need. They need pure STRENGTH + HEIGHT + DURABILITY. Just get the team a BODY who's a healthy ANYBODY in there and give CP3 a chance to turn him into an All-Star...then get a coach with some passion/ENERGY, but that's a different story...
#20
corndeaux
07/01/09 05:28 PM
This is all tilting at windmills until the Hornets are able to trade away some contracts. Maybe they can get something back, but its doubtful with the talent and contracts they're trying to move.
If/when cap space is cleared, I would love Pachulia. Each time the Nuggets beat up CP in the playoffs, Zasa would have put someone on the floor. Zasa is a eastern European ganster.
#21
Caleb462
07/01/09 07:11 PM
dreamteam...
Going on height and strength as opposed to skill and talent is a mistake in my opinion. Now I agree that the Hornets need those things, but I don't think players should be eliminated from consideration if they are somewhat lacking in those areas. Specifically... Brandon Bass is good at basketball. That's a fact. Yes, he's rather short for a power forward... but I don't care. What the Hornets need more than anything, specifically on the bench, is more players who fit that simple criteria... "good at basketball."
Also, Tyson Chandler has played 8 seasons. In 6 of those seasons, he's played atleast 70 games. Not really what you'd call a lack of durability.
As for 07-08 being a fluke, well I agree but only in the sense that success in sports is almost always a mix of talent and luck. The Hornets certainly had both going for them in 07-08.
neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com #22
winze
07/01/09 07:13 PM
Looks like Detriot are going to be trading Rip and letting Rasheed go
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4301111
They just signed up Gordon and Villanueva.
#23
bigindian15
07/01/09 07:16 PM
@JoJo: Tyson has reached his peak, possibly, but his peak is as a 12/12, dominant rebounder who is a great defender and can (according to some people) guard guys like Duncan and Stoudemire one on one. And he has PROVEN that he can do that. I'm not saying there is no chance that Gortat can do that. I do like Gortat. But he hasn't proven it, and I would not shell out 6 mil a year for a relatively unproven guy on a cash strapped team. Also, Brandon Bass would be a second unit guy, and he brings energy, hustle, toughness, etc. In case you didn't notice, Dallas did just fine with him as really their only big off the bench. You don't need a 7 footer off the bench, because he's gonna be facing the other team's second unit for the most part. And we do need someone to spell West.
@Jojo: I'm not saying Wilcox is the best guy there. He's clearly not. But for our cap situation, and our needs, I think (just me here) that he's the best fit for cheap.
@Dreamteam: wow those are really big words. Mind if I point out some flaws in your thinking?
1) I don't know why you say Tyson will NEVER be healthy again. He is still young and played hurt for a while, so nagging injuries won't take him out. Peja I can understand, but Mo Pete was healthy for a while, he just didn't get minutes (and we don't know why)
2) Armstrong and Ely suck. We all know, and agree. PHX might be a destination for our guys, but NY is not because Tyson has an option to run his contract longer than 09-10, and NY won't take that contract. Also, D Lee is a restricted free agent, so it would have to be a sign and trade, but he will get ~10 mil a year too, and we won't take that contract back most likely.
3) I disagree with your logic completely about the height thing. How many legit 7 footers are there who actually use their size to dominate? Duncan, Stoudemire (who probably won't be on a contender anyway), Bynum (can't stay healthy), Gasol (guarded by West anyway), Garnett (same), Dirk (same), Sheed (insane), Howard (LOL no free agent can guard him anyway), and that's all I can think of off the top of my head. Now, Tyson Chandler is BY FAR our best available option to counter those guys. Just because someone is 6'11" or taller doesn't mean he can actually play like it.
4) I'd be fine with Gortat, Pachulia, Varejao (although he has no offensive game and is an overrated defender, he's just a hustle guy), and Nesterovic actually. Unfortunately, the only one of them we have a chance at is Rasho because of our cap situation and the lack of big men, so these guys will all get overpaid (relatively)
5) "Then combine them with another player who will clean up their REBs and solidify the middle against the true big men of the league (Dwight Howard, Shaq, KG, Duncan, Gasol)"
Umm...you mean like, I dunno, Tyson Chandler? And didn't you cross McDyess off the list already?
@Corndeaux: agree completely
Also, this whole thing about Tyson being injury prone: last year he missed 37 games and played injured for like another 15. In the 4 seasons before that combined, he missed 17 games. I'm fine with him missing 4 games a year for how hard he works and how much he means to our defense. Hell, he can miss 10-15 games per year and I'm fine with it if he's healthy the rest of the season.
Also, to everybody, I don't understand the mad, intense hatred for Chris Wilcox, both at midseason and now. With OKC last year (discounting his time with the Knicks because of the system), he averaged 8.4 and 5.3 in 19 minutes per game. Let's say he gets 15 minutes per game, and he gets 7 points and 4.5 rebounds per game for us. As a backup when we have Tyson and West playing 37-40 minutes per game anyway (gonna happen if Byron is coach), that's really all we need. As a starter if we trade Tyson, he averaged about 13.5/7.5 for 3 straight seasons. Not really scrub numbers, he can play and would be preferable to a Ben Wallace with no legs in my *humble* opinion
#24
bigindian15
07/01/09 07:23 PM
Oh, and also, the fact that our guys got injured a lot really isn't their fault. It's a part of the game. The answer isn't to ship out those guys, it's to build your team to be able to survive if it happens. What would happen if Boston traded KG just because he missed 30 games last year? What would happen if LA traded Bynum because he missed 50 games the last 2 years (actually I think Bynum sucks, but whatever). What if Portland traded Oden because he missed 20 games last year? It's not just cut and dry, trade the dude if he has a bad/injured year. Some guys do have lasting injuries, like Jermaine O'Neal and Yao (who's just too tall for his body). But some guys come back from MUCH worse injuries than ankle sprains, like Amare.
I'm getting upset about how everyone is angry at our players for being injured. Tyson and Peja were our 3rd and 4th best players this year. Take Nene and JR Smith off the Nuggets and they don't win 49 games like we did. If you remove Odom and Ariza off the Lakers for half the season, they don't win all they did. If you remove Parker and Ginobili, the Spurs aren't the third seed. A team losing its key guys, and STILL winning 49 was a damn miracle, especially when we had a bench that was beyond horrible, and I don't think trading them for cap room or old guys like Ben Wallace is any kind of solution. Now, to save cap space, we might have to do it, but it's not the right BASKETBALL decision like some of you (dreamteam) seem to think
#25
bigindian15
07/01/09 07:24 PM
@winze: I think Joe Dumars has lost his mind. No telling what he's gonna do really. Sheed is probably gone, but Hamilton might just be unhappy there for a while lol
#26
winze
07/01/09 07:40 PM
LOL unless they plan to play 3 guards like they tried last season for a few games, i agree Dumars has lost his mind.
Then again he did pull off that cap clearing trade involving AI out of nowhere, so i guess we sit and wait what he pulls off.
#27
Caleb462
07/01/09 07:41 PM
Agreed with basically everything you just posted bigindian. On Tyson... on Wilcox, and on the strange habit of people getting mad at players for being injured.
neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com #28
Gustopher
07/01/09 09:27 PM
First time poster. I like what you guys have done with the place. Very quaint.
Anywho... My 2 cents about the Hornets big man situation.
1 - I really think the Hornets will move Tyson to the Suns for Big Ben and then Wallace will accept a buy out. First the OKC deal, then the almost deal with Cleveland and now these talks. It just seems that the front office is set on getting Tyson out of N.O.
2 - I think at least one, maybe two, of the Summer League centers will stay on with the team because of their low-cost and the Hornets cap situation. Earl Barron and Courtney Sims having the best chance and then the 7-2 kid from Utah (Luke Nevil). Also, Anthony Tolliver is on the squad and he had a 10-day run with the Wasps last year.
3 - If there is a "Please don't bring back Brandon Bass" train then I am definitely on it and possibly the conductor. Someone is going to overpay Bass and I hope that it won't be the Hornets. I don't need a fourth consecutive bad FA deal that N.O. gives out. (Peja, MoPete, Posey)
4 - Ideally I'd love to see Antonio McDyess come here but I don't think that is going to happen. I think he brings the toughness and veteran leadership that the Wasps need up front. Less than ideally I'd want to see Wilcox in a Hornets jersey. I'd loved the Tyson trade midseason (minus the fact that a pick wasn't involved) mostly because we were getting someone who could score in out second unit in Wilcox.
5 - Other than those two these are other players I'd like to see the Hornets go after and get at least one of them - in no particular order.
- Shelden Williams. (Maybe his baby momma will suit up for us instead. That would be a plus)
- Sean May. (Another bad knee injury couldn't happen again could it?)
- Donyell Marshall (Scorer of the bench that would come cheap)
- Stromile Swift (Maybe he could resurrect his career down the road from LSU. By the way... how the hell was he ever the second overall pick in a draft? Seriously? I mean granted it was one of the worst drafts ever but still...)
- Pops Mensah-Bonsu (Restricted but will get after the rebounds. Could turn into a nice energy guy off the bench).
#29
Gustopher
07/01/09 09:35 PM
Forgot to mention... I think Sean Marks is coming back as well.
#30
winze
07/01/09 09:35 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4301324
HMMMMMM
is there ANYWAY for us to get Rudy Gay from Memphis.... and another of their bigs??? Maybe they will take Peja ROFL
Least they won't want West, but they look like they could do with some Vet's on their side, and they have CAP to burn and zero prospects of landing Lebron/Wade/Bosh etc... plus their front court is loaded at the moment from my last check even after the Draft Night trade of Darko
#31
bigindian15
07/01/09 09:46 PM
@winze: why would they want any of our guys EXCEPT for West or Paul? Like you said, the have no chance of Wade/Bron, so expirings are useless (except that the owner is cheap). And their frontcourt isn't really loaded. They have 2 centers and Darrell Arthur, who might or might not suck. They could use David West, assuming they actually want to make the playoffs again.
I think Tyson is gone too, but I'd like to get more back than just Ben Wallace's corpse. Maybe Tyson + Hilton for Wallace + Robin Lopez. He and Chris Paul could see Harry Potter together. It'd be great
#32
bigindian15
07/01/09 09:47 PM
@Gustopher: I agree with everything except I don't really want Donyell Marshall. He would just take minutes from Posey, who does the same things but better and he isn't as fat
#33
winze
07/01/09 09:52 PM
Well they wanted Z-bo lol... so i assumed we could con them into thinking they need some of our overpaid "veteran" wings lol...
Don't they have that Warrick guy as well as a backup PF?
Robin Lopez might actually be a nice pickup, i mean he never really got to play in his rookie season given Shaq and Whinger ate up all the minutes, and both cried if they didn't get the ball in the post. I def agree we need to try to squeeze out something extra for the Chandler for B Wallace Trade.
I just hope we don't splash our full mid level exception again and realize we are not that ONE piece away from being a contender.
#34
Gustopher
07/01/09 10:03 PM
I think a better deal for us would be if we could push off Daniels and Tyson instead of Tyson and Hilton to try and get back Lopez (who has a fantastic last name by the way).
Unfortunately, this sounds like a straight salary dump. Tyson for Ben straight up and no frills or anything. No players. No picks.
#35
Caleb462
07/02/09 12:57 PM
Robin Lopez = Hilton Armstrong.
neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com #36
bigindian15
07/02/09 05:29 PM
@Caleb: I disagree, simply because I want to believe
#37
Zwie
07/02/09 09:15 PM
Im pretty sure a lot of you all know this... but if you dont.....
the Lakers just got Artest.......
WELL...!!!!!
#38
urgmasdaughter
07/03/09 01:47 PM
Times-Picayune says were also targeting - Mikki Moore, Maceo Baston and Jake Voskuhl. WHY?!? I hope Bower doesn't belive ANY of these players will help us. Why wouldn't we just stay with Marks, Bowen, Ely... please somebody explain this insanity to me cause I'm on a ledge man!!!
"http://blog.nola.com/hornetsbeat/2009/07/new_orleans_hornets_looking_to_1.html"
#39
lilrip133
07/04/09 06:14 PM
i love zaza... in atlanta.. behind al horford. imagine if tyson got hurt again and zaza was our STARTER *pulling hair out*. i love his grit, determination, and he is reliable on the boards but no... not zaza.
and i'll faint if we go after verajo.. i cant stand that guy. he's soft, he's a fadeaway jumpshooting big man, which we already have one of that is much better, and he's as inconsistent as they come. he did play respectably in the conference finals, but that's as much credit as i'll give him.
no thank you on gortat as a starting center. that's as far as i'll go into that one.
bass.. good but not worth the money.
mcdyess is intriguing. i've always liked him, but getting rid of tyson and bringing him in doesn't sound too appealing. at the same time, it doesn't sound terrible either.
i wouldnt mind stromile swift... 5 years ago, but ike diogu is another intriguing one. getting him for minimum would be a nice addition, and he's solid defensively and on the boards. id like him coming off the bench for us.. definitely a heckuva lot more than hilton armstrong's airballing-layups-and-dunks self
#40