I said the Free Agency period would be 'tepid' and so far, the Hornets have proven that to be a valid prediction. Other than multiple outlets reporting that Chandler is on the table with Phoenix for Ben Wallace, it seems that most Hornets-related rumors are merely speculation or nebulous at best. There have been rumors about the Hornets going after Brandon Bass, Joe Smith and Jannero Pargo - and Pargo's agent, Mark Bartelstein also reported the Hornets inquired about Mikki Moore, Maceo Baston and Jake Voskuhl - doing what any good agent would do and letting the market know someone had at least mentioned those guys. To me, it seems that almost all of the "interest" the Hornets have been attributed with has been agent-generated. The Brandon Bass rumors were started by his agent Tony Dutt, who reported Bass was interested in the Hornets, but later stated he hadn't met with the Hornets about Bass, but planned on doing it soon. Other rumors - like Chandler to Detroit for Kwame Brown, filler, and a small amount of cap space have even less of a foundation in fact and appear to have more of a foundation in talk radio speculation.
So what are the Hornets doing? For now, the Hornets have cast out a couple lines, and are simply waiting. This shouldn't really be a surprise. They need to wait and see what happens with Chandler before they can make any moves. They already have the largest payroll in the NBA and aren't about to sign any new players without knowing what sort of relief(if any) they can get for Tyson Chandler - and they won't know that until two things happen:
- July 8th arrives and the NBA releases the official Salary Cap for 2009-2010, which will allow the Hornets to more accurately estimate the Luxury Tax line for the same year.[Update: Cap has been announced. The Luxury Tax line will be $69.2 Million, down $1 Million from last year. The Hornets will have to clear almost $9 million this off-season to get below it.]
- Both Phoenix and New Orleans are satisfied with the terms and agree to pull the trigger on Chandler for Ben Wallace.
That last item is key. It appears the Hornets are interested in that trade, but both sides have sticking points. Phoenix wants to wait a little bit and see what other opportunities present before trading Wallace. The Hornets want to make sure that trading for Ben Wallace actually gives them the Tax Relief they require - because Wallace is the wild-card. Wallace is guaranteed to make $15 million, but has indicated he's willing to take a only a portion of that salary and retire instead. What the Hornets want to know is what is the "portion" he's willing to take? If he wants $10 million, that hardly solves the Hornets problems and leaves them with no center and no budget to replace him. If he wants $5 million or less, then the Hornets will probably play ball.
Interestingly, the Hornets don't have a lot of other options. The Raptors, Pistons and Grizzlies have already committed most of their cap space. Portland doesn't need or seem interested in Chandler. The Thunder have indicated they don't want to use their cap space right now and have already turned down Chandler. That leaves Phoenix and a few other teams with much smaller non-guaranteed contracts as options.
Which leaves me wondering - is the perception that the Hornets will never pay the Luxury Tax a reality? If its true the Hornets are insisting on a palatable buyout number, then are they willing to just sit on Chandler and take the hit this year?
Normally, I'd say no, but . . . perhaps it is possible. A week ago, Jim Eichenhofer, who works for the Hornets and writes the Hornets.com affiliated Big Easy Buzz Blog, posted an article refuting the assumption the Hornets would never pay the Luxury Tax and re-iterating statements made by Hornet's President Hugh Weber that the Hornets haven't ruled it out. That could just be standard spin, but it could also be an indication they are considering paying the tax. Or I could just be suffering from wishful thinking.
Either way, here's my take on what to expect: If Tyson stays, the Hornets aren't going to bring in much of anything new other than a couple minimum contracts and their rookies. If Tyson goes out the door, the Hornets should be able to turn the expiring contracts of Butler and Daniels into something adequate at the center position, but that's about it.(Wouldn't it be cool to combine their contracts into a sign and trade for David Lee? Right? Urgh, damn my fantasies.)
At least there is one silver lining: If Chandler remains, even if he does struggle again with injuries, I don't think he'd play as badly as he did last year.(he was below his career averages - and league averages - at almost everything) If Chandler goes, even if the Hornets bring in just a mediocre center to play most of the season, he'll probably at least match what Tyson did last year, and can't help but give us more than Hilton Armstrong managed. So . . . our frontcourt will probably be improved. That's good, right?
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Niall Doherty
07/07/09 12:42 PM
That all seems logical, apart from the David Lee bit of course.
I'm curious though: if the Hornets stand pat, absorb the Luxury Tax hit and roll out pretty much the same team next season, AND they stay healthy, does anyone think we can compete for the big prize?
A year ago, I was convinced we had the pieces to get it done, but I really don't think so anymore. Even at full health, we're still relying too heavily on Chris Paul and David West.
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Diane
07/07/09 02:38 PM
In your article you said "The Hornets already have the largest payroll in the NBA" Are you kidding me?!
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bigindian15
07/07/09 02:42 PM
Boston Globe is reporting Hornets and Spurs are interested in Big Baby. So...there's that
@Niall: I think we can "compete" if "competing" means getting to the WCF. The only two powerhouse teams right now are the Lakers and the Spurs, and I think we match up fairly well with the Lakers with their bench apparently being terrible now with Odom probably leaving and the untimely deaths of Farmar and Vujacic.
Realistically, Paul and West will average 22/11 and 20/9 respectively. Tyson, if back to his old self (probably), will average 11/11 and play great interior defense. Peja will be a third scoring option if healthy, something we REALLY didn't have last season which, along with a complete lack of interior defense, sunk our season. Plus, between Collison and Thornton, ONE of them should be able to provide something resembling a scoring punch off the bench...right?
I mean, it's kinda strange how much the West has gotten worse this offseason so far:
1) Utah got screwed by their guys not opting out, because they can't afford Millsap most likely and if Boozer gets injured they're screwed because they have no backup bigs anymore
2) Portland still is missing something, though if they get someone like Odom we're screwed.
3) Houston got worse with Yao possibly being done, and Artest -> Ariza is a downgrade, because seriously, Ariza and Bynum must have been to the same "how to earn a large contract after playing well for half a season" school. He's the same as Shane Battier, just more athletic and 1/10th the IQ, basketball and normal, so I dunno how he really helps them...
4) Denver is going to lose either Anderson or Kleiza most likely, and I don't think they were THAT much better than us anyway, we were just banged up beyond belief in the playoffs against a physical team. Poor Chris Paul didn't even have one good leg, he was playing on one toe and half a groin
5) Phoenix sucks
6) Golden State sucks
7) Clippers would be good, except that Baron Davis will skip half the season to party with Jay Z while "rehabbing an ankle injury"
That leaves LA, who got better but sacrificed chemistry (or whatever sham for chemistry they try to pass off with Kobe there), San Antonio, who will probably win the West and has their hand in every free agent out there it seems, and Dallas, who got better but might take a step back if they get Marion, who doesn't fit with them at all.
Two years ago, I thought we could beat LA if we played well, and they really haven't gotten better and Kobe is only older now. We almost beat San Antonio then with Duncan two years younger. And we destroyed Dallas because Kidd absolutely can't guard CP. We can contend with our current team, IF we keep Tyson. He's the key
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Caleb462
07/07/09 02:46 PM
"I'm curious though: if the Hornets stand pat, absorb the Luxury Tax hit and roll out pretty much the same team next season, AND they stay healthy, does anyone think we can compete for the big prize?"
No... but to me the realistic goal for last season was conference finals appearance, not a championship.
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SavageHenry
07/07/09 03:22 PM
I'm also skeptical of the Bass rumors, but according to this guy we've already put out an offer for him to consider:
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Chat.asp?CHAT_TOPICS_ID=363
Not sure how credible he is, but there you go.
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Ryan Schwan
07/07/09 04:02 PM
I kid you not, Diane. As of right now, the Hornets have the highest payroll in the NBA. I wouldn't be surprised if the Mavs and Lakers and maybe Cavs and Celtics pass them after they are done signing agents, but most other teams won't approach the $78 million the Hornets currently have on the books.
I agree with Caleb. I thought the Hornets were a WCF level team at the beginning of last year, and hoped something might break in their favor and allow them to go further.
Something broke, but definitely not in the Hornets favor.
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corndeaux
07/07/09 04:52 PM
I could be wrong, but my understanding is that the Hornets need to be under the tax next June in order to avoid the Luxury penalty. If that's the case, then they could easily sit on Chandler and wait until his value goes up/a team gets desperate during the season. No rush to dump if a better deal may come along.
I will be shocked if they can't move Daniels and Butler for preferably a back up big, but at least some draft picks. This team, with this owner, in this market, needs to learn to live on the draft. Slim margin for error on picks late in the 1st rd, but still much better than the albatrosses they now carry from free agent pickups.
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Ryan Schwan
07/07/09 09:53 PM
That's correct corndeaux, but it's somewhat misleading. All that means is the Hornest have to cut their salary under the Luxury Tax line either this summer - or at the latest by trading for non-guaranteed contracts by the trading deadline in February - because whatever contracts they have on their book for the year will not be movable after then.
There aren't a lot of non-guaranteed contracts out there that last until February - so that extra time only gains you the opportunity to shed maybe a few million more.
The heavy lifiting will need to be done this off-season.
Oh - and the Luxury Tax line for next year has been announced, coming in at $69.2 Million dollars. That means the Hornets will have to shed about $9 million just to get under the line - and lose even more if they want to sign anybody else and remain under it.
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StefanC
07/08/09 02:27 AM
I used to be optimistic. Now I'm not.
Days of being a team on the rise are over. We're just gonna stay average it seems. Eventually we'll dump Tyson, Peja will get too old, Chris Paul will want to leave the organization, and this team will fall apart. I see it now :(
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Gerry V
07/08/09 11:36 AM
Lets all keep in mind that Chandler can defend the "pick and roll" and he is a pretty decent " off the ball defender". As you evaluate BIGS keep in mind what they can do in those areas. Also how they excecute the PICK AND ROLL and their abilty to run the floor.
Other areas of their game better offset the above mentioned if they lack the skills Chandler has. I still believe the key for this team is the development of the " swings " Its the one area of play ( of course Chris Paul is the obvious given) that influences all other areas. More trips to the line.....opens the spot up shooters.....creates play room...etc......
If a deal is made I can live with small #'s scoring wise from the 5 spot but he better enjoy rebounding the ball and going body to body vs other bigs.....
A better job is needed from the " wings" to draw coverage...."attack of the bounce !".......PLEASE !!!
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bigindian15
07/08/09 01:23 PM
@StefanC: Can I try to talk you off the ledge? Next summer, Peja will be a good expiring contract to someone who missed out on the 2010 sweepstakes and now needs to clear room for 2011. Tyson won't be dumped just for the hell of it; if he plays at an all star level this season, I don't think he's leaving (if he isn't traded this summer). The only guys that have long term deals with us are Paul, West, and Posey, all of whom are good guys on the team (and the rookies I guess).
Also, I don't think George Shinn will be absolutely against spending money at all times. This is the same dude who overpaid Peja $65 mil coming off an injury. This is the same dude who took on Tyson's long ass contract in exchange for a huge expiring one. If the team is good, I think he won't mind paying like 2-3 mil for the luxury tax, which means dumping Butler, Daniels, and Hilton, but not Tyson, something we can probably do.
Then again, it's all moot if Ben Wallace comes, but I don't think that trade's gonna happen, just because I'm not entirely sure Wallace was serious about the retirement talks. He might have just been pissed that he was injured a lot of the season
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emir
07/08/09 03:17 PM
whats the piont of the luxury tax?
is it just another way for the nba to mooch money of teams with good players?
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Ryan Schwan
07/08/09 03:55 PM
No - it's a way to keep things level. Big market teams like New York and Los Angeles have more money to throw around than teams like Memphis or New Orleans, due to their higher ticket prices and more lucrative cable TV deals, etc. Installing a luxury tax doesn't put a hard cap on how much teams can spend, but it does make it much more painful for those richer teams to just simply outspend their competition.
And the NBA doesn't keep the money it collects as part of the Luxury Tax. The money taken is distributed to the teams that are below the Luxury Tax line.
The Hornets collected $2.9 million for being below the luxury tax line last year.
That's why being above the Luxury Tax line is such a whammy:
1. You are paying double for every dollar over the line.
2. The money you are paying goes to the other teams in the league.
3. You don't get to share in the payout.
If the Hornets stand pat, and end with a Salary of 80 million after signing a couple minimum contracts, they will end up paying 90 million - AND not collecting on the 2-3 million sent out at the end of the year.
In other words, trading Tyson Chandler doesn't save them 11.5 million, it saves them around 22-23 million.
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Dmon3k
07/08/09 04:41 PM
Looks like Dallas is gonna pick up Shawn Marion, yet another conference rival making moves to get better, while the Hornets do nothing.
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JBeard23
07/08/09 05:21 PM
I agree with big indian, if we can stay healthy as we did 2 years ago, we can compete for the west. But it is essential that we get production off the bench. We need what we had in Pargo two years ago. Hopefully we get him back and/or can have Collison/ Thorton step up and have big rookie years. Then we should be able to make a run at a finals appearence and get to play one of the big three in the east.
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bigindian15
07/08/09 06:00 PM
@Dmon3k: how does Marion make them better, really? He's gotten worse each of the last 3 years, he has a bad attitude, and they already have all stars in Howard and Nowitzki up front. I don't think Marion will like coming off the bench because he will demand 35 minutes per game, so where do they play him? The only way I see it working is they play him at PF and Dirk at C, but then they'll be horrible defensively and stacked on the perimeter, and Dampier will be making $250 mil to come off the bench
The Luxury tax doesn't REALLY level the playing field, because some teams like New York and LA still have enough revenue to offset paying the luxury tax, and there are owners who will pay whatever it takes, like Paul Allen and especially Mark Cuban. Then again, it's the best solution short of a hard cap, so kudos to David Stern.
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urgmasdaughter
07/08/09 06:41 PM
@Dmon3k: Marion isn't that big of a jump up for the Mavs but I do see your point, all the good teams are getting better (Lakers, Cavs, Magic, Spurs) & we're still sittin. At least the Mavs have made moves, a move that made their roster somewhat stronger
Looks like Pargo is goin to the Bulls so everone who was hoping for him....he's out
#17
jeffevan
07/08/09 07:49 PM
So why doesn't a Tyson + [someone of value who can run] = Amare? He's on the block, and Phoenix gets a center and a shooter who can run, which are part of the pieces they're missing... Is it just not enough going back to Phoenix?
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bigindian15
07/09/09 11:24 AM
They can get more for Amare. Biedrins + Curry from Golden State would have been more. We don't really have anyone else they would want, except maybe an expiring contract. Phoenix REALLY doesn't know what they're doing right now, so I dunno.
Pargo to the Bulls is good for us and them. Him eating our cap would be redundant with Daniels, Collison, and (possibly) Thornton on the roster, and Pargo can be the new Ben Gordon for like 1/3 the price, and they don't need 20 ppg from Gordon with Salmon now there. They have a really strong backcourt all of a sudden...what happened lol
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Caleb462
07/09/09 12:46 PM
Marion plays his best ball when he's a power forward. Certainly some of his drop off in the past two years is due to no longer playing with Nash... but the fact that's he's been asked to play mostly small forward is also an issue, as is age I imagine. If Dallas can work out the rotation I do think Marion is a nice pickup.
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BeesGivingEffort
07/09/09 03:26 PM
Umm Gortat, Nowitzki, Marion, Howard, Kidd. Why would you think Marion would have to play PF? they are now tall, lanky, and athletic down the line minus Kidd. They aren't gonna be that cakewalk we had before.
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bigindian15
07/09/09 06:36 PM
@Hornetsgon: umm is that their starting lineup or finishing lineup? As a finishing lineup, it fails because Terry is conspicuously absent. If it's a starting lineup, Kidd can't defend point guards (too slow) and Howard can't defend shooting guards (too slow), so their defense would fail HARD.
Marion's ENTIRE game is based on athleticism. He's like LeBron, only not as good and a lot older. A 5 year contract for him is 2 years too long, I don't care what Hollinger says. And believe me, unless they trade Howard, someone won't be happy there. Howard and Marion have a history of complaining about minutes. And with Mark Cuban as the owner, this has "Coming this Thursday on ABC!" written all over it
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joe
07/09/09 08:59 PM
"this has "Coming this Thursday on ABC!" written all over it"
that made me laugh because its so true and the reason why im not that threatened by the mavericks
Also on a different note does anyone agree with me that we SHOULDNT be trying to get Big Baby?? Hes an overweight, small power forward and usually they dont mix well. I understand that he played really well for Boston while KG was out but you have to put that in context. I dont think he could score like he did coming off our bench. Think about it he really only made jumpshots (wide open because the defence gave it to him, credit him for making em though) that came from playing with allen and pierce and rondo on the court at the same time. If he was on the bench and was the focus of its offense i really doubt that he could get many points fighting in the post. If you go back far enough in the season the Celtics bench struggled mightily scoring like ours (one reason they went with marbury to move house off the ball to help him out) and davis was playing in the bench. You cant tell me that he went through a mid season change that suddenly turned him into good scorer, changes like that only happen in the offseason when you get major work done. And thats just the offensive side, he is not a great athlete. or very tall like i said so he hes not a great defender or rebounder, something i actually grade higher than scoring in our search for a backup big. So i really dont care that hes from lsu other than being a good story i dont think it should dictate our choices in free agency
I think we should try and go after Ike Diagou his last two games when given minutes and the ball, was very successful. And i know the arguments about how he was doing that against other bench guys and scrubs since it was the end of the season. But who do we want him to score against?? If he can score against other benches put him on ours, im not looking for a starter. Hes young, and could possibly come cheap if the kings dont want to match any offers
#23
saltandcarbon
07/09/09 09:49 PM
Sometimes I wish I was a Spurs fan. Thank god it passes.
#24
benreed1088
07/10/09 09:28 AM
i really dont understand why we decided we are not going to shop chandler.... http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60470/20090710/bower_hornets_arent_shopping_chandler/
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joe
07/10/09 09:59 AM
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/basketball/mavs/stories/071009dnspomavsbriefs.316644c.html
near the bottom they talk about the possibility of doing a sign and trade for bass, we could give them mo since they need a 2 guard and maybe daniels too, out in some more filler on both sides and this could work
#26
joe
07/10/09 10:03 AM
oh and can anyone explain the process of renouncing a player?? I read that the grizzles did it to save up cap room, i just want to understand what it means and why were not doing it
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Caleb462
07/10/09 11:22 AM
"Also on a different note does anyone agree with me that we SHOULDNT be trying to get Big Baby??"
Yes, completely agree. A lot of people started overrating Big Baby after the playoffs... mostly because of that buzzer beater he hit.
But he's a horrible rebounder and as an offensive player is basically just a jumpshooter... this is not what the Hornets should be looking for in a big man.
neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com #28
Caleb462
07/10/09 11:26 AM
I also like the idea of getting Diogu joe. He's been a pretty productive player in limited time. A 20.3 PER (a 25 PER in the 10 games he played for Sactown!) is impressive no matter who he was playing against. Can any of the Hornets bench players post a number like that? Hell no.
neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com #29
urgmasdaughter
07/10/09 12:48 PM
Don't forget Big Baby pushes lil kids too...
Agreed Big Baby out - Diogu in.
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BeesGivingEffort
07/10/09 02:35 PM
The Hornets don't want to shop Chandler because we likely aren't going to get a Chandler quality bigman in return and on top of that he is our only bigman worth anything. IF he comes back healthy we will be back to a 55win team. The man can defend almost any bigman/power forward in the league, rebound the ball well, and set some massive pick and rolls for our pick and roll super heavy offense.
Glen Davis isn't worth the money he will get.
How do you not think the Mavericks have very much improved? Getting a 17/9 SF that plays good defense is pretty ballin compared to Antoine Wright. Dampier is getting old and Gortat right now is Dampier when he was 25. Delude yourself all you want, but on paper that team has alot of things to be happy about right now.
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Mikey
07/10/09 03:38 PM
Some big guys that are still out there as of 7/10 that I think the Hornets could get on the cheap are:
Sean Marks - Say what you want, he was a definite upgrade over Armstrong in the rebounding and turnover department; then again, so is Tatoo. The Hornets could get him easliy for a minimum deal. He's familiar with the team and the coaching staff. He also didn't suck at center, he just played too many minutes due to injuries to other bigs throughout the year. He also posted career-best rebounding numbers last season.
Jamaal Magloire - There are two really pressing needs that the Hornets need to address; rebounding and rebounding. Magloire, while not the player he was in years past, would still be a significant upgrade to the Hornets frontline from what they had last season.
Pops Mensah-Bonsu - Not a huge sample to pull from on this guy, having only played minimum minutes for Dallas last season. However from that small sample of NBA level minutes, Mensah-Bonsu averaged one rebound for every 2.3 minutes of playing time, not bad.
Mikki Moore - Moore can be had easily for a minimum contract, but in my opinion, he is not a significant upgrade from Armstrong at the backup center position (except in the turnover category). Overall, he's a pretty poor rebounder. I'd be suprised if the Hornets went and got him.
Zydrunas Ilgauskas - Z is a proven commodity, but let's be realistic, this is a pipe dream. The nba.com website has him listed as a free agent, but I'm not even sure thats true, since the Cavs website doesn't have him listed as such. Even if it were true, there is no way he can be had for a minimum contract. The only way to procure Ilgauskas would be via a sign-and-trade with some non-gauaranteed contracts in exchange for Chandler. Even then, it would have to be worth it for the Hornets to even make this move for financial reasons, meaning even if he were to get a full mid-level, that would be too rich for the Hornets' blood.
Honestly, I'm not feeling Big Baby or Diagou. Career-wise, neither of them are really any better than Hilton in the rebounding department, and you lose size with both of them. Diagou is a pretty good free throw shooter, and can get to the line a little. If a gun was to my head and I had to choose one of these two, it would definitely be Diagou.
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bigindian15
07/10/09 03:55 PM
Prettttttty sure Z isn't a free agent. Dunno where that came from
"Delude yourself all you want, but on paper that team has alot of things to be happy about right now."
Well, thank god for them that the games are only played on paper :P
It doesn't necessarily mean they got better. Yes, Marion is a huge upgrade over Antoine Wright, but he is also a dick. He got kicked out of Phoenix because he thought he was better than Amare, who is clearly better. He isn't gonna want to platoon with Josh Howard, and those two have essentially the same skillsets, with Marion better on defense and Howard better on defense.
Sometimes talent just doesn't mesh, and I'm afraid that might happen here (I love the Mavs and would KILL to have Cuban own my NBA team). Detroit, on paper, had Sheed, Hamilton, McDyess, and Prince as former all stars, they had the next D Wade (LMAO) in Stuckey, then they added AI. Factor in that Jameer Nelson and KG went down last season, and they should have easily been a top 3 team in the East, on paper. Instead, they sucked ass and barely made the playoffs. Point made :D
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Caleb462
07/10/09 05:17 PM
I agree with you Hornetsgone.... the Mavs have made themselves a lot better, on paper atleast. Dirk, Kidd, Terry, Howard, Marion, Gortat, Dampier... that's a lot of talent. The Mavs and the Spurs have both made roster moves that I think could put them both back in the title hunt... which sucks for us of course.
@Mikey. Diogu is definitely a better rebounder than Hilton... not sure where you got that idea from. Hilton posted a *miserable* (for a center, that is) 10.8% rebounding percentage last season, and has 12.2% mark for his career.
Diogu's mark was 15.5%... and he's at 14.0% for his career. That is a signifigant difference. Diogu is a decent rebounder, Hilton is an abysmal one. Neither is a beast on the boards, but Diogu is atleast adequate while also providing some scoring. Diogu's per 36 minute numbers are very very nice (Hilton's are not), and as I posted above his PER has been very impressive the past couple years - albeit in a limited number of games.
@bigindian. While I agree that talent doesn't always mesh, and it might not in Dallas... the situation in Detroit isn't the best example. Detroit lost their leader and their most productive player and in return got an aging A.I - a guy who's production and efficieny has always been far too low (superstars should never have seasons where they shoot *below* 40% from the field - it oughta be a law or something) when compared to his tremendous skill and talent.
neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com #34
bigindian15
07/10/09 06:14 PM
Saying Allen Iverson is "aging" isn't entirely accurate (figuratively). Last year, he posted 26.4 ppg, 7.1 apg, and 45.8% shooting (career high I think) for a 50 win Denver team. He didn't just age overnight. His talent just really didn't mesh with the rest of the team, even if he is a hall of famer. He and Rip are both scorers, bad idea for a starting backcourt. I guarantee that AI will average at least 23 per game next year (probably on a god awful team). By the way, Iverson hasn't shot below 40% in 5 years, when he was injured for half the season. And the coach didn't handle things well at all, as shown by the fact that he got fired after 1 year. Imagine if Larry Brown or Popovich, or even Byron Scott or Flip Saunders was the coach this season. I imagine the conversation would have gone something like this:
AI: "Hey, screw Rip, I wanna start or I'm retiring"
Flip/Byron: "What? Get your lazy ass on the bench and we'll win 50 games to salvage your crappy career, otherwise shut the @%$# up"
Anyway, back to Dallas. Bass signing with Orlando really opens the door for Marion to win 6th man of the year (well, 7th man I guess because they still have Terry). They also will have a monster crunch time lineup of Terry, Kidd, Howard, Marion, Dirk. This only works if Marion is cool with playing only ~30 minutes per game and accepts being the 3rd or 4th banana, something he has shown over the last few years he absolutely despises
Diogu would be great for us. I still don't really understand why he never got minutes on all the crappy teams he's been on, kinda like Shelden Williams
#35
Caleb462
07/11/09 12:25 AM
The age thing really wasn't a relevant part of my post... I just threw that in there (and his Denver stats popped into my head immediately after I wrote it actually, heh).
neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com #36
urgmasdaughter
07/14/09 06:46 PM
So our list of centers a couple weeks ago now looks like:
Antonio McDyess - Spurs
Brandon Bass - Magic
Marcin Gortat, Chris Andersen, Anderson Varejao & Zaza Pachulia - Resigned
What being patient has left us with:
Drew Gooden
Glen Davis
Joe Smith
Jamaal Magloire
Chris Wilcox
Rasho Nesterovic
The list was bad to begin with, now it is offensive to even look it at
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