Every season I do a post that tries to project the wins the team will earn over the course of the upcoming season, using the production from the players the season before and the Wages of Wins “WP48” stat. Two seasons ago my projection was fairly close. Last season, it was really wrong, as I expected Chandler to give the Hornets 73 games and something like the production he’d given them the previous two years. Instead, Chandler didn’t do jack, Peja broke down, Julian regressed, Butler gave less than Peterson the year before, Brown replaced Pargo and somehow was worse, and Hilton Armstrong . . . well, I’ve said enough about him.

Anyways, that’s enough excuses. The problem with the projection I gave last year wasn’t really the metric, the main culprit was my faulty projection of the minutes we could expect from the players. So this season I decided to try two new things:
- Using a Crystal Ball to see the Future.
- Running my minutes by all of you to get feedback before I ran the numbers.
I’m sure that’ll work out great and produce an infallible result. So here is my minutes chart, followed by my reasoning. Feel free to rip into it.
The Rotation
| Player | Games Played | Minutes Per Game | Total Minutes |
|---|---|---|---|
| Chris Paul | 78 | 38 | 2964 |
| David West | 75 | 38 | 2850 |
| Emeka Okafor | 78 | 35 | 2730 |
| Julian Wright | 72 | 28 | 2016 |
| James Posey | 72 | 28 | 2016 |
| Peja Stojakovic | 62 | 33 | 2046 |
| Ike Diogu | 61 | 15 | 915 |
| Sean Marks | 61 | 15 | 915 |
| Hilton Armstrong | 42 | 12 | 504 |
| Morris Peterson | 41 | 21 | 861 |
| Darren Collison | 58 | 16 | 928 |
| Antonio Daniels | 24 | 10 | 240 |
| Marcus Thornton | 30 | 15 | 450 |
| Devin Brown | 20 | 12 | 240 |
And here’s my reasoning, which our medium assures me was ripped directly from the mind of Byron Scott: (See what this blog is willing to do for our readers? How many blogs do you know of that has a medium on staff?)
West and Paul are easy, though I am hoping their minutes go back to only 38. Right. Back to 38. Sigh. Anyways, Paul typically plays a little short of 80 games a season, and West, though he had two early injury seasons, has been consistently available for around 75.
At center, Okafor has been a rock the past two years, but it seems foolish to assume he won’t need at least a game or four off. I’m going to give him 35 minutes a game, which is equal to the most he’s ever done, but Byron likes to ride his workhorses, so I think we should expect these kind of minutes.
For the 7872 minutes available at the wing, I think it’s pretty obvious that Posey and Peja will get a significant chunk. I kept the minutes from last year and penciled Peja in for 62 games with the balky back, while giving Posey 72, about average for his last five years. Lastly, with George Shinn mandating the development of youngsters, I put Julian on the hook for 28 minutes a game over 72 games. That should give Byron plenty of room for the inevitable benchings and message DNP-CD’s that will come with Julian’s growing pains.
Those six players account for 74% of the Hornet's 19,680 available minutes. However, from here on out my reasoning gets more dicey. Still, I kept a few things in mind:
- Most of these players are fairly interchangeable.
- Byron Scott almost always gives everyone on the roster at least a couple 8 to 10-game auditions to contribute to the team.
- The rookies will probably take their lumps in the rotation.
So here goes:
Armstrong, Diogu, and Marks will rotate through the minutes behind West and Okafor. Last year, Marks gained more trust from Byron than Armstrong, playing in more games over the course of the season despite being injured for most of the first month. Diogu is also an actual power forward, so I expect him to get some serious minutes behind West. Therefore, I gave Marks and Diogu 61 games with 15 mpg, and Armstrong 42 games with 12 mpg.
At the wing, Scott should give Morris Peterson and his three-point shooting a pretty long rope. Thornton I expect will see a few lengthy auditions, and Devin Brown will get his two auditions and then never re-appear.(Please, Byron) So Peterson gets 41 games at 21 minutes per game, Thornton 30 games at 15 minutes a game, and Devin Brown 20 games at 12.
Lastly, behind Paul, I expect to see Daniels around until the trade deadline, and until then he’ll probably split time with Darren Collison. After that, I see Collison taking over at the point, and probably getting some stretches running with Paul. I gave Daniels 24 games at 10 minutes a game, and Collison 58 with 15 minutes a game.
So – what do you think?
(Oh - and I should probably admit now that we don't actually have a medium on staff. I'm sure you're shocked.)


11 magnificent comments post your own
Niall Doherty
09/08/09 07:10 AM
I'm actually pretty psychic, Ryan. Just yesterday I walked into Foot Locker and the guy there said "How you doing today? Can I help you with anything?" I swear, I KNEW he was going to say something like that. Freaky.
I think your projections are solid. Like you said, it's a tough thing to predict, but your reasoning is sound.
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Tobi
09/08/09 08:48 AM
I'm not sure predicting the playing time makes much sense. My advices for Mr Scotts' rotation would be:
1. start JuJu at the 2, let him play with the starters
2. Give Peja minutes with the second unit and let them play systems that fit his style: That would be getting the ball in motion and make a dicision. He is not that efficient as a catch and shoot player.
3. let Daniels play some shooting guard along with Collison, that could be a proper option for a peja-like offense, daniels at point guard slows the games down too much.
4. don't play devin brown, play Thornton instead
5. figure out how to provide hilton with some confidence (basically, taking him out immediately after a mistake won't help)
6. Run less "Ball-to-Paul-and-see-what-happens"-offense. You guys are a professional basketball team, which should look like playing a studied offense
That's it so far. I hope we stay healthy this season and coach can decide who plays how much minutes. I'm looking forward to see Emeka in a hornets uniform on the court.
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Ryan Schwan
09/08/09 10:10 AM
In order for me to apply my projection metric - I need minutes. No, it doesn't make a lot of sense though. :)
Technically, I expect Peja to start at the 2, and Wright to start at the three. If you watch the Hornets sets over the course of the season, that's actually what they did last year. Butler set up in the small forward's spot, and Peja took the shooting guard's starting slot in the Princeton offense. Then they typically cross-matched defensively.
I don't agree at all that Peja is a guy you want in motion with the ball. He's a terrible, terrible finisher, and proved the year before he was vicious coming off staggered picks for a catch and shoot delivery. Still, he has a decent mid-post game that could help the second unit if they are choking.
I'll be willing to bet Devin Brown gets two auditions this year. Byron almost always gives his players at least 8-10 games worth of minutes to see what they can do. It's one of the things I like about Byron.
Hilton's problem isn't confidence. He's actually decent offensively, unless trying to catch a pass in traffic. His problem is his complete inability to capture a rebound. Rebounding isn't a confidence game. It's a desire and instincts game.
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Tobi
09/08/09 03:00 PM
You are right about Hiltons inability to get rebounds. Why do balls just don't fall right into his hands?
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420ftJesus
09/08/09 06:13 PM
Perhaps running a couple of cases or some sort of sensitivity study would be a better health-check on the metric than picking on the inputs through the fog of war.
We can consider your numbers (or Miss Trelawney's?) as a nominal case, then run the `best case' of Chris getting more games (better for wins in regular season, not for playoffs), a bad case of him and D missing half the games, a `bench development' case where Chris and D give up 2 minutes a half to bench guys . . . stuff like that.
That would rock, statisitically speaking, not AC/DCly speaking, and would also give a sense of the `slop' in the numbers.
If you feel like `splaining some of the inputs, etc., I'll be happy to do some of the grunt work if you think it's worth it.
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Ryan Schwan
09/08/09 09:37 PM
You know . . . that's an excellent idea. What scenarios would you guys like?
And if you want to put some minutes scenarios together, 420, that sounds great to me.
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saltandcarbon
09/09/09 12:50 AM
New plan sounds great. I think a mean production/minutes estimate is useful, but extrapolating that to different scenarios would be really informative.
I'd suggest the most useful scenarios are the ones we have the biggest question marks around.
We already know if Chris is out for 30 games, we're cooked. Same hole if D-West goes down for a big stretch. Those are the things we don't want to think about, and if it happened we're a completely different team. (We could go all Rockets hard nose or end up a Clippers laughing stock - either way is isn't the same Hornets we're projecting here).
But what about if Emeka goes down for as much as Tyson last year? Could we expect 49 wins with a big man rotation of Ike, Sean and Hilton?
The same with the wing question - how different does production look if Byron gives Juju and Thornton more burn that Peja and Posey?
And is the backup PG spot better with Collison getting 15 per from day one or waiting until Daniels moves or not?
BTW Ryan - Byron's playing stretch is definitely one of his better qualities, but then that stretch doesn't seem to mean much in detemining of who gets minutes more regularly, which is one of Byron's more frustrating qualities (Devin Brown? Really?)
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benreed1088
09/09/09 04:41 PM
anyone else see this http://www.nola.com/hornets/index.ssf/2009/09/new_orleans_hornets_trade_anto.html
Looks like we get back summer league star bobby brown...however now we have an extra person on the roster. so another move must be coming
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Niall Doherty
09/09/09 05:59 PM
Thanks for the heads up, Ben. That was literally the first I'd heard of it.
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Niall Doherty
09/09/09 06:01 PM
And I don't believe we do have an extra person on the roster. We have 15 now, and that's the maximum, right?
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buhdog
09/10/09 06:57 PM
i love the trade...songalia will thrive with paul. I like him
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