After the LiveBlog and game were over, I went back and watched the game again, wanting to closely watch Wright and Okafor's performance, and then determine what caused the blowout. After seeing it the second time, I actually felt a lot better than I did during the game, because what caused the Hornet's downfall is eminently correctable.
The Hornets, despite the dearth of points provided by the bench, had a strong enough offensive attack to have won the game. They shot 50% from the field and 50% from deep. They only had 10 turnovers, and actually drew two more free throws than the Spurs.(though they hit one less)
What killed the Hornets was their defense, and defense that could not be laid at the feet of the bench. Yes, Songaila didn't get back on defense fast enough. Yes, Bobby Brown was incapable of getting back into a play once his opponent got a step on him. Yes, Hilton Armstrong couldn't corral a defense rebound in traffic to save his life. Still, other than Bobby, those guys were not on the floor during the major 2nd quarter run. It was the starters.
Now, why would that make me feel better about the game? Aren't the starters supposed to be better? True. But they have an excuse. They weren't playing badly on defense early on.(other than Paul and West failing twice to defend a pick and pop with Bonner appropriately) But then, early second quarter, there were four miscues on defense in five posessions. Okafor stepped out twice to contest shots, and West and Wright failed to fill in behind him.(To be expected. Chandler never stepped OUT to defend. He stayed home.) Then Okafor, Wright and Peterson got confused on a defensive rotation, followed by Okafor, West and Brown doing the same. Faced with that series of mistakes, Byron made a defensive change, and it proved disastrous:
He went zone.
Byron was probably hoping to cover for unfamiliarity in rotations, but the end result was a three point barrage. Zones give up open outside shots, and the Spurs worked it with style, ending with six open shots, and three offensive rebounds on the next 8 posessions. The lead stretched to 18, and the Spurs simply executed from then on, refusing to allow the Hornets back in.
So I can live with unfamiliarity being the major issue, especially when you consider that as far as one-on-one defense, Okafor looked very good - and though he registered no blocks, he and Julian Wright made interior shots fairly tough to finish. Give the guys a few weeks worth of games and practices with Okafor, and I expect it to smooth out, and the perimeter defense to at least become adequate.
Julian Wright
- Wright's on the ball defense was predictably excellent. He was the primary defender on eight drives, and they resulted in two baskets and an assist.
- Twice in the first quarter, Wright got caught cheating waaaay off his man. Both times he was all the way down inside the free throw line. Both resulted in open shots, one found net.
- The rest of the game, he didn't cheat that far off anymore - and was more able to cover. He did get caught twice in miscommunications with Okafor that I already mentioned.
- Offensively, Wright performed well when simply reacting. He did well on three breaks, and knocked down a jumper when he did a simple catch and shoot. He over-thought it a few times, resulting in a bad jumper, and a botched semi-fast break.
- In the end, I think it was a good game for him. He was really active on the boards, and though he didn't end up with many, he tipped another three to teammates.
The Rest:
- Paul and West did their usual thing. West didn't have much at halftime, but he didn't get the ball very much with Okafor proving effective in the post.
- Okafor's offense was golden. He missed all his post jumpers and fadeaways, but all but one of those were bailout attempts at the end of the buzzer. His post moves, however, were nice, effective, and he scored over Duncan, McDyess and Blair with equal facility.
- Bobby Brown took 12 shots. All but four were forced. Peja and Posey combined to get 2 shots while they were on the floor with him. 2 shots. Total. Give up the damn ball, Bobby.
- At times, the Hornets were playing Armstrong with Posey or Armstrong with Songaila as the frontline. You can guess how well the boards were controlled during those stretches.
- Armstrong showed me by not getting any turnovers, but rebounding and shooting poorly. The complete opposite of what I'd predicted.
Next game is Friday against Sacramento. Let's see if the boys can bounce back defensively.
UPDATE: Video highlights from the game:


40 thoughtful comments post your own
bniz
10/29/09 12:46 AM
Your assertion that the Hornets "had strong enough offensive attack to have won the game" is laughable.
We only had 5 offensive rebounds. We were 28th in the league last year in this category at 9.8 p/g.
Our ball movement was terrible-- our 17 assists vs. their 29. Our bench was outscored 30-0 in the first half and shot 33% for the game.
When the opposing defense knows there are basically only 3 players on your entire team that can reliably score (Paul, West, Okafur), and they see that you can't move the ball well, the off-ball defenders that are not accountable for the Big 3 are thinking two steps ahead to their own offense, increasing their effectiveness on that end. This is partly why the Spurs scored 14 points off of our 10 TO's and we only scored 3 points off of their 10 TOs.
We also shot FT's very poorly tonight.
Our offense was ranked #26 last year in PPG. The few PPG Okafur will add is not going to make an enormous impact. The core problem remains with the lack of reliable scoring from the bench and our starting SG.
#1
Mark
10/29/09 12:49 AM
We do forget that the Spurs have had their core for generations, and only add subtle pieces to complement various plans crafted masterfully by Pop.
So in retrospect, we didn't have much of a chance with this game. It'll be interesting to see how we are after inevitably dropping a few games early on. Glad to read that we have potential just from lack of chemistry, and not just complete suckage. That said, we still need to try things to develop a whole cohesive unit chemistry so each player understands and potentiates their role.
No lofty expectations. Let's have fun this season, guys!
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bniz
10/29/09 12:51 AM
I forgot to put our 17 assists into context.
Last year we were 28th in the league with 19.8 APG.
And of course just one guy is responsible for half of these.
#3
hio1515
10/29/09 01:17 AM
Hilton looked terrible from the stands.
#4
The_big_H
10/29/09 01:42 AM
@hio1515: That's because Hilton is terrible. Period
@bniz: That won't change this year either
@Ryan: Don't kid yourself, we suck. BS should be fired. Without Paul, Hornets couldn't beat LSU
#5
NOEngineer
10/29/09 01:49 AM
Thanks for looking beyond the obvious suckage and analyzing.....
Our defenders were standing up and chasing after Spurs all night, kind of like a pee-wee soccer team chasing the ball around the field. We had about 1 minute in the second half where people were getting low and bodying up on their men.
On offense we continued last year's trend of 3 guys standing around watching this guy with really cool dribbling skills, with maybe one guy moving to an open spot. Maybe half open spot.
Okafor impressed me on the offensive end.
We have one potentially excellent wing on our team. Chris Paul. Pair him more often with another point guard and see if he can hold his own defensively against the bigger shooting guards. I think he can.
#6
Dariusz Ejkiewicz
10/29/09 04:20 AM
Two things:
This was the first game and already it was against argubly the 2-3rd team in the Western Conference (depends if you count Denver in the equation). We need to remember that the Spurs are a tough team to beat, first of all of their IQ and second for the firepower they have. If your starting redhead center who should be a 12 man at best in many teams can shoot 3's like crazy and then you got people like Finley/Jefferson/Duncan/Ginobili/Parker who all can either shoot a jumper / three or slash to the basket then you know you are in trouble.
Lets keep in mind that this was a first season game.
And on the other hand, it was tough to watch, the guys were playing worse than in a pickup game where they got selected a minute ago by the short kid with freckles. Bobby Brown's lack of court vision, Hilton's lack of game, the guys who already are too old to get in the game all of that was just sad.
I am the last to draw conclussions after a first game, but we definitely miss the chemistry and the elements of the bench that look good on paper looked terrible in real life.
I have to say that I was so pissed that after 2nd quarter I went to sleep, which didn't heppen for a long time... It was sad...
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Albert
10/29/09 04:39 AM
Where the hell were the rookies? A backcourt of Collison and Paul would have at least been more fun to watch than that yesterday.
Why didn't Thornton play? Is he injured?
#8
Ryan Schwan
10/29/09 07:48 AM
Relying on raw numbers to determine how much offensive punch a team delivers has never been informative. My statement was based purely on the results - not on whether that offense is pretty or sustainable. The Hornets had 96 points on 86 posessions. That equates to an offensive efficiency of 111.6. That level of scoring can win games easily if your defense is even average. Which it wasn't. It was abysmal. I think I mentioned that.
As for the rookies, I'm have little explanation why Thornton was inactive and Collison is somehow further down the depth chart than Bobby Brown. Brown probably has a spot in the rotation if he can hit more shots - but as a shooting guard, not a point guard.
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downtowndave78
10/29/09 07:57 AM
Calm down everyone. This was just one game. We still have 83 games this season, and I don't remember anyone saying that we were Championship contenders this year. We all know we have many things to work out, and the Spurs are true contenders and masters of the game on so many levels. Lets allow this season to evolve before we fire the coach, change CP3's position, compare ourselves to SEC basketball teams, and hand over the reigns to rookies still learning the system.
I'm with Mark. Lets have some fun this season, and see what happens. We all knew the beginning would be rough.
I would just like to add...as an observational note...I was truly upset with Bobby Brown's performance. Hopefully, it was an off game.
NOEngineer- I love the pee-wee league analogy. Sad but true.
I'll see you all Friday night....I CAN'T WAIT!!!
#10
Niall Doherty
10/29/09 08:06 AM
After all George Shinn's comments along the lines of "we must develop our young talent!" during the summer, Byron playing Collison just three minutes and having Thornton inactive was a ballsy move. I'm hoping he doesn't think a starting spot for JuJu is enough.
But I'll choose to have some faith in Coach and see what the situation is like a month from now.
www.ndoherty.com #11
Juncti
10/29/09 08:49 AM
"perimeter defense to at least become adequate"
Is that going to be enough against all these stacked teams? Aside from a tough division, we're in a tough conference. Plus East teams got stronger as well.
We may gel better after a month, but so will all the other teams that made bigger acquisitions than us with their new players.
#12
Mikey
10/29/09 09:00 AM
I basically quit paying attention the second I learned that Devin Brown suited up and Marcus Thornton was in a suit. I'm three times as upset about that than I am about the game result.
You could see the fundamental difference between the Spurs and Hornets last night. The Spurs uncharacteristically went into the Luxury Tax this season, because they know their time is finite. They want a championship now. They are desperate, and wanted to prove to the rest of the league they were ready. The Hornets, on the other hand, are still trying to mold pieces together and figure out their guard rotation.
#13
commentcava
10/29/09 09:13 AM
The Bad: We looked just like we did in preseason and at the end of last season. Chris is 98% of our team. We can't win if our bench doesn't score a single point until the third quarter. We appear to be making the same mistakes over and over again (Byron Scott?). In sum, lots of bad stuff going on.
The Good: Emeka is probably going to prove a huge upgrade. Dude looked awesome. Chris Paul hasn't given up yet and is going to give 110%.
The Probable: As long as Byron is running the show, this is what we're going to see. I think the team is going to give up on him this season, if they haven't already.
The Hopeful: We can gel, get into a groove, and win some games.
#14
ticktock6
10/29/09 09:32 AM
"I basically quit paying attention the second I learned that Devin Brown suited up and Marcus Thornton was in a suit. I'm three times as upset about that than I am about the game result."
I'm with Mikey. This is exactly how I feel too.
hornetshype.com #15
Mark
10/29/09 09:56 AM
Hey downtowndave78, it's an 82 game season. Are you implying we're going down a playoff series in one game? hahaha just kiddin.
The campaign has begun: Free Thornton. Free Collison.
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LSUhornet17
10/29/09 10:09 AM
B. Scott - “Marcus is a young player who is still learning,” Scott said of his decision. “He makes a lot of mistakes in practice. Devin (Brown) is a veteran guy who I think I can depend on a little bit better on both ends of the floor. It was a tough decision, but I think it was the right decision.”
-depend on on both ends of the floor??? Did he mean to clean both ends of the floor? Painting it? There's no way he was actually talking about basketball with this statement. Marcus averaged 20+ a game in college and looks like he'll be at least adequate in the league; I don't think Devin could average 20 for a Biddy team. News flash Byron, your rookies will keep making mistakes in practice unless you give them game experience to get it out of their systems. How does he still not realize this?
Side note: Seeing Hornets come up in Stephen Jackson trade talks from Broussard and Stein at ESPN. What do y'all think about this? I wouldn't be to opposed. He's better than anything else we have at the wing. However, he's a mini Artest on the crazy meter and jacks up terrible shots sometimes. He makes 7 something mil this year so wouldn't Peja's contract be to much? Who would GS be looking for?
#17
Ryan Schwan
10/29/09 10:33 AM
Golden State always wants competent wing players. Those are in short supply in New Orleans. Maybe a combo of Posey and Devin Brown? Golden State isn't going to get any good offers, that's for sure.
The thing is, I've always felt the Hornets were likely to win every game against Golden State, primarily because I could count on Stephen Jackson taking really, really stupid shots.
Oh - and he's 31 and under contract until he's 35 at around 10 mil per. I don't need another Peja contract.
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hio1515
10/29/09 10:38 AM
Maybe Byron is afraid that if he benches Devin Brown, Brown won't hook him up with hotel towels and tiny shampoo bottles anymore.
#19
LSUhornet17
10/29/09 10:40 AM
I thought they would want a wing in return too, but ESPN keeps playing up the fact that they want Big Z from Cle. This makes absolutely no sense to me, he's a horrible fit for that team. Maybe they just want an expiring contract with some name recognition to make it seem like they got something almost even in return. I agree about Jackson, him and Baron Davis take some of the worst shots I've ever seen. (Don't know how that team won anything.) I'd be all for this move if it wasn't for that insane extension the Warriors gave him. Even if Jackson behaves and plays smart, that contract will be a curse to whoever picks him up.
#20
Byrdsman13
10/29/09 10:41 AM
Thornton couldn't have been any worse than any of our other bench players. Big mistake not playing him or atleast suiting him up.
#21
Byrdsman13
10/29/09 10:45 AM
Hio1515 that was a pretty good one lol.
#22
Ryan Schwan
10/29/09 01:00 PM
Yeah - I'm still a little flabbergasted about the comment that Devin Brown doesn't make mistakes. The guy was on the court for what . . . two minutes last night and was called for a charge while running a 3 on 2 fast break. And he does that ALL the time.
Agreed, Hio. That was funny.
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downtowndave78
10/29/09 01:14 PM
CORRECTION- 81 games left.....I'm not betting on any playoff appearances yet.
#24
StefanC
10/29/09 01:52 PM
Devin Brown: In one minute of play, 2 turnovers, 1 foul, and a few misses. Free Thorton!
Did anyone else notice Posey out there? I sure didn't. He was practically invisible. Out of shape much?
Peja just couldn't get away from his defenders, and Brown's lack of court vision just killed us. I'd much rather have Collison at the point.
Emeka really impressed me. Nice guy in real life and a very nice basketball game.
We need to integrate Songaila into the offense on the bench. He's not offensively inept people! Poor man's David West in a way.
We really need Diogu to score for us off the bench! He can flat out score. Someone we can look to to create his own shot.
#25
Manugi20
10/29/09 02:46 PM
You know, Im a lifetime Spurs fan. I love to read comments from other teams fans after the Spurs have played them (win or lose). I have to say that this is the smartest bunch of fans I have ever read. Most fans just bash on the Spurs and cry about the refs. You guys realize that there is still work to be done and that it is still early in the season. I became an admirer of NO after the WCF of a couple of years ago. Keep up your home team spirit.
#26
corndeaux
10/29/09 03:02 PM
Browns over Collison/Thornton is just inexcusable.
I will say I looks like Byron finally realized that Posey can't guard wings anymore and must play the 4. The problem is none of the options at "5" (excluding Okafor) can pick up the rebounding slack for him.
PS- If you're keeping score at home, Hornets now have 4 undersized 4s who can't rebound, aren't particularly athletic, and are suspect defensively (Diogu, Posey, West, Songalia). Does anyone know why they agreed to take Songalia at 12million over the next two years?
There is so much dead weight (both contracts and talent) on this team it is truly amazing. Reminds me of vintage Isaiah Thomas.
#27
QueenBee
10/29/09 03:02 PM
I think Byron must owe Devin's parents a favor or something. LMAO! Thornton could have given us a few quick points last night. It's Devin that should be on the inactive list. I can't wait to see more of Emeka.
#28
NOH_Domination
10/29/09 03:15 PM
I really liked when Bobby and CP were on the court at the same time. I'm not sure how well Bobby can shoot, but at least he's fearless on offense. Kinda reminds me of Pargo. Maybe start Bobby in place of MoPete and let Collison take the second unit? Bobby really isn't a point guard from what I saw last night.
#29
Mikey
10/29/09 04:05 PM
If Marcus Thornton is inactive for Friday Night's game vs. the Kings, (which I'm guessing he will be) be prepared for some chants coming from section 303. I'm just saying. C'mon Byron, wake up and smell the chickory!
#30
jochbe
10/29/09 06:21 PM
I think Ryan's analysis is largely spot on--
I apologize if I missed someone else saying this in the comments--but I think the point Ryan makes in the second paragraph of the post is huge. I was really dissapointed in the second unit/bench, but I felt like that was a group that ought to be able to score. Last year I didn't think that--my dissapointment last year was in the fact that we had a second unit who couldn't possibly be expected to do anything, but last night I was dissapointed because they didn't do the things I thought they ought to do--that has to be a kind of improvement, right? Right!?
And how huge is the Diogu anticipation now?!
Also, I feel like I would take a combo of Devin Brown and Posey for Jacks in a second...
#31
untitled1018
10/29/09 07:43 PM
no stephen jackson. please.
what happened to Byron Scott? I used to have so much confidence in him as a coach ...
#32
downtowndave78
10/29/09 07:57 PM
corndeaux- Darius and Peja are both listed as ETO's (early termination option) @ ESPN for 2010, so I guess their contracts will be terminated at the end of this year freeing up the cap for next year. For some reason I also thought we were stuck with them for 2 years, so maybe this site is wrong.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-09-10
#33
khalil henderson
10/30/09 12:36 AM
i am not sure where to put this but i thought it was pretty neat find
I remember one nightmarish game I worked with Joe Crawford and Phil Robinson. Minnesota and New Orleans were in a tight game going into the last minute, and Crawford told us to make sure that we were 100 percent sure of the call every time we blew the whistle. When play resumed, Minnesota coach Flip Saunders started yelling at us to make a call. Robinson got intimidated and blew the whistle on New Orleans. The only problem was it wasn't the right call. Tim Floyd, the Hornets' coach, went nuts. He stormed the court and kicked the ball into the top row of the stadium. Robinson had to throw him out, and Minnesota won the game.
[...]
Later that week, Ronnie Nunn told me that we could have made something up at the other end against Minnesota to even things out. He even got specific — maybe we should have considered calling a traveling violation on Kevin Garnett. Talk about the politics of the game! Of course the official statement from the league office will always read, "There is no such thing as a makeup call."
this is the link to the whole article
http://deadspin.com/5392067/excerpts-from-the-book-the-nba-doesnt-want-you-to-read?skyline=true&s=x
sorry if is not in the right spot for this
i got the link from a poster on realgm .com
#34
urgmasdaughter
10/30/09 01:05 AM
Is the Spurs game a lil harder to swallow now knowing that a team like the Bulls beat the Spurs tonight?
#35
Akademik_Hooligan
10/30/09 05:09 AM
^ Not really.
The Bulls are athletic, they move their feet on D, and the manage to get get good ball movement, even though Rose is a stud a the point.
I've lost faith in Byron totally - veterans a worth jack sh!t if they can't get it Done. I can't remember if it was Niall or Ryan that said we shouldn't expect B.Brown to be like Pargo, but they were on the money with that, he's a chucker that might fill it up once in a blue moon, but is useless on D.
The players aren't listening, and our Bench got outscored 30-0 at one stage. THIRTY-TO-NOTHING. That is a disgrace. Man up and admit you got it wrong Byron.
#36
corndeaux
10/30/09 09:41 AM
downtowndave78- if that is true, that is the best news i've heard in a while. it must be really tough for peja to play with a giant fork sticking out of his back
#37
Niall Doherty
10/30/09 09:59 AM
An ETO is a player option. The player can opt out of his contract if he wants to. Songaila might do that next summer if he has a killer season and believes he can get a new contract worth more than the $4.8 he's due to earn in 2010-11. But it's unlikely anyone will offer him that much, even if he exceeds our wildest expectations this season.
As for Peja, I think that ESPN info is wrong. I can't find anywhere else listing him as having a player option next summer. And even if he did, he'd have to be crazy or very generous to leave $15.3 million on the table, which is what he's currently owed in 2010-11.
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Niall Doherty
10/30/09 10:03 AM
@kahlil: Thanks for posting that. We got it linked up in our Lagniappe section yesterday morning:
http://www.hornets247.com/news/lagniappe
Keep an eye on the "Recently Posted" section in the sidebar and you'll catch all that stuff. Or follow us on Twitter; everything we post is fed through there.
http://twitter.com/hornets247
www.ndoherty.com #39
Byrdsman13
10/30/09 11:15 AM
I'm with u Mickey. How they let this guy rip up the preseason and get not clock when it really counts. His D can't be that damn bad.
#40