Now THAT was a barnburner. When West got that technical in the fourth, with the Hornets down 3, I was certain that game was done. Then, Wow. Three missed Dallas free-throws later, Peja, drills a slightly off-balance three, his first and only made shot of the night, West moves his feet and gets a steal, and the Hornets do their usual unstoppable act in overtime. Lots to talk about in this one:
- First the Chris Paul Insane Shooting Update: He went 14-23 tonight, and 3-4 from three. Incredibly, that lowers his shooting percentages for the season to 64% from the field and 75% from three.
- Tonight we got to see the difference between Bobby Brown the point guard, and Bobby Brown the shooting guard. He had some of the best cuts I've seen by a Hornet player in years, and he's starting to get more comfortable with his teammates. He still has a too-quick trigger finger at times, but tonight something huge happened: Early in the second quarter, Bobby was getting out of control - he had already had two bad posessions dribbling the ball too much and was about to launch into another one when a piercing whistle cut the air. Bobby stopped, looked up, and Byron yelled out instructions, gesturing furiously. Moments later, the ball was in Songaila's hands, the play was being run, and Bobby never looked out of control again.
- Byron also made some other important moves tonight. He had Posey on the floor to start the fourth - and when Posey couldn't even stay in the same area code with Jason Terry on two straight posessions, he put in Chris Paul, shifted Mo Pete to Terry and went with that. Now, that may seem like no big deal - but for Byron, that's a HUGE deal. He's always been one to settle on rotations, and try to stick with them, even when things start crapping out. Tonight, he yanked Posey quick. He yanked Armstrong quick after a couple bad offensive and defensive lapses, and went with Songaila. When Peterson couldn't harass Terry, he yanked him and went with Bobby, who could at least stay in front of him most of the time. Can we hope Byron is turning the corner?
- Terry was crazy. Like I said in the game preview, he always kills the Hornets, and he was true to form, drilling everything he put up. 35 points on 18(!) shots. Crazy bastard.
- David West was rolling tonight, like he always does against Nowitzki and company. West struggles against long, quick power forwards like Garnett, Odom, and Kenyon Martin. He typically punishes smaller players or guys who have no foot-speed. Nowitzki falls into that last category. West can handle him defensively because Nowitzki can't outmuscle him, and that leaves Nowitzki one remaining advantage - his height and unblockable jumper. So he unleashes it against West - but a contested mid-range jumper, no matter how unblockable, is infinitely less efficient than one going to the basket. It's why the Hornets are a tough matchup for the Mavericks.
- The interior defense of the Hornets was much improved tonight. The problem, however, was they kept shifting to help each other on penetration so much that Dampier was an offensive rebounding and putback machine. Still, that is infinitely better than a lay-up line.
- Julian missed all three of his shots - and none of them were good shots either. For all his potential, and the energy he showed grabbing rebounds, if I was a Hornets coach, I'd also have a hard time keeping Julian on the floor for more than 18 minutes. With Peja - or even Peterson to some extent, you at least make one of the defenders play honestly and stick with him - giving Paul more room to operate.
- Okafor and West, aided by Peterson and Wright, won the battle of the boards for the Hornets for the first time this season.
- Okafor was also huge defensively in the fourth with some wonderful putbacks and blocks. Like I said in the preview, he did struggle against Dampier's strength, making it hard for him to score in the post, but I'm still perfectly happy with 11 points, 13 rebounds, 3 blocks, 3 assists and a steal. He was also a good 70% of the reason why Marion could never finish when he got near the rim - the other part being Marion just can't finish that well anymore.
- Speaking of finishing terribly, I'd like to thank Jason Kidd for driving to the hoop on two key posessions at the end of the game. Nothing speaks more to the deterioration of his skills than the fact that the Hornets played Stojakovic, Posey and Songaila on him defensively for a lot of the game, and Kidd was still not a threat except as a spot up shooter.
- Songaila was nice. He quietly got free for a bunch of short jumpers, ran the offense intelligently and did a passable job on Marion and Nowitzki when filling in for West. If Diogu can come back and take Armstrong's minutes effectively, I think our frontcourt rotation could be solidified.
Next game is Friday, when the Raptors come calling.
UPDATE: Video highlights from NBA.com:
Also, in the Journals: Mr. Kennedy's Hornets-Mavericks report.


27 intriguing comments post your own
Lancelot
11/05/09 12:23 AM
I knew I should have waited to throw my analysis up here until you posted this, Ryan.
Seems like we felt the same way about a lot of things, though.
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Niall Doherty
11/05/09 12:27 AM
Crazy game. Not a huge crowd at the Arena tonight, but the atmosphere was great. The defense did look better, and I was happy to see Bobby Brown taking good shots for the most part in this one, not forcing much up there.
Very big win for the Hornets. Not pretty, but they needed this one. Looking to get back to .500 on Friday.
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Niall Doherty
11/05/09 12:28 AM
Also, my bad that I never linked up the latest Journal entry in the Game On post. Here it is:
http://www.hornets247.com/journals/2009/11/03/byron-its-time-to-reassess
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SaveYourBoredom
11/05/09 12:34 AM
So as Paul was called for the offensive foul and David West got the technical foul, I threw my remote in disgust and turned off the TV, knowing there was no way in hell the Hornets could possibly pull this thing out now. I mean, the Mavs only had to hit one free throw to clinch the game, and they had three shots!
So I finish watching the second half of South Park on DVR, and when it's over I click "Live" and it takes me to... The Hornets 8 points ahead of Dallas in overtime!!!
I had absolutely no idea what was going on and couldn't figure out what could possibly have happened. I realized the only possibility was Dallas missing all three free throws... but how could that ever happen?
Man. I'm just pissed I missed it.
#4
Caleb462
11/05/09 12:37 AM
What a game. Wow.
I was standing up in front of the TV for all of the 4th quarter and overtime.
Great win, the team really needed it. And Bobby Brown redeemed himself somewhat. He had some key plays, a couple of them that really seemed to get the crowd going and keep the momentum rolling. And I noticed the mid-game change in him too. By the end of the game he was actually passing up long jumpers(!). Also agreed on Byron... a well-coached game by Scott tonight.
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SaveYourBoredom
11/05/09 12:40 AM
Oh, by the way, attendance was in the 13,000's... That's pathetic! What happened?
#6
StefanC
11/05/09 12:46 AM
I'd like to give a special thanks to Mr. Jason Terry & Mr. Jose Juan Barea for giving New Orleans their second win of the season. Thank you so much! These guys obviously bet big money on the Hornets at the station casinos today.
#7
SaveYourBoredom
11/05/09 12:49 AM
Caleb462, when it looked as if the Hornets would lose I had the complete opposite idea, kicking over furniture in my apartment and cursing Byron Scott as the worst coach in the Western Hemisphere. "How could he not be playing Posey right now?" I said to no one, "What in the hell is Bobby Brown still doing in the game?" I said, also to myself.
But now, I think I like Bobby Brown. A lot. In fact, it looks like we've got our top-five pretty much set, in Paul-B.Brown-Peja-West-Okafor. It's a lineup not unlike our 2007-08 one. I loved watching them in overtime on the ESPN360 replay.
I love games like these because you can always fall back on them when your team is down at the end of a game and it looks hopeless.
One more thing: Did anyone else want to punch the announcer in the friggin face every time he pronounced it "New Orr-LEENS"??
#8
RocksimusMaximus
11/05/09 12:52 AM
Man... that Bobby Brown kid's actually got some fight in him. I'm glad to see that. And I'm THRILLED to see that Posey only played 7 minutes. Maybe if he rides the pine a little while... he'll decide to show up. I'm NOT thrilled to see Paul play 45 minutes (40 in regulation)... If he hadn't... we would've lost. But I just don't want to see us get back into that habit. I fully agree that Bobby did a much better job as a 2 guard... curious to see how that progresses as the season goes on. Cuz Mo aint givin us JACK.
The boys really needed this. I think they came together a lot tonight. Peja knows Byron still believes in him, and Paul knows that at least a FEW of his guys will stay in a dog fight til its over.
Kudos... bring on the Dinos.
#9
Mikey
11/05/09 12:57 AM
Useless quote of the night comes from the fella we all know as 420ftjesus here at the 247, who just so happens to sit next to me in the Arena. With 3:57 left in regulation, Jason Kidd gets whistled with his second foul. That's when he turns to me and says, "Four more and he's done." Classic!
Yes, it was a HUGE three points, but a TOTAL of three points from the SF position isn't gonna get it done most nights. Hornets showed good energy and some fight tonight. Nice win.
#10
Mark
11/05/09 01:06 AM
I got texts for 'Go Mavericks!' from my Dallas friends who knew my affinity towards the Teal (not Creole Blue).
The game wasn't over.
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QueenBee
11/05/09 02:29 AM
I didn't expect a sellout because the team had been playing bad, (they will get thrown under the bus faster than the Saints would due to the Saints being the cities' first love) most of them were still hungover from Monday night's Saints game, and a lot of people come from the Northshore and Baton Rouge and such and 8:30 on a weeknight might be difficult for some. The atmosphere is always great though and the rowdy crowd makes up for the ones that aren't there. Great game.
#12
SavageHenry
11/05/09 08:45 AM
I've been tough on Bobby so far this season, but last night the guy definitely showed improvement. And as for the missed free throws....well, I'd like to think that was karma coming back around for Barea's flop job on CP.
#13
Mikey
11/05/09 09:18 AM
One of my favorite moments from last night was when the Hornets were up 4 points in overtime. I don't recall how much time was left in the period, but there were at least 15 seconds left on the shot clock. The ball swings around to Bobby Brown, and he's open for a looooooooooong 3. He spots up, but it's almost like he could feel Chris Paul's death glare deep into his soul. He opted not to take a horrible shot in lieu of eating some more clock. Nice decision Bobby.
#14
corndeaux
11/05/09 09:27 AM
i'm going to be the lone voice in the wilderness here, but the mavs gift wrapped that game to us. we won despite byron. why is posey even on the court to guard terry on the 4th? terry hit 3 shots in a row over him and ignited a huge mavs run. thankfully, as ryan did point out, byron woke up and realized he was losing the game for us with posey out there. i guess thats improvement for him....
brown did actually look like an nba player when he went to the basket, but lets not get carried away. he is still below average offensively and cant guard anyone.
ryan- i disagree completely on juju. he needed to be in the game over the peterson in the 4th. any advantage peterson has on offense- which is highly debatable- is more than negated by juju's defense, energy, and his ability to rebound on a generally slow and unathletic team.
#15
BeeDogg
11/05/09 09:50 AM
Posey is just awful and has been nothing short of a disaster for the amount of time we put into his contract. Do you realize we have almost 50 million and 5 years committed to 2 BENCH SF's who can't guard or rebound anymore? Blame Byron all you want but between JUJU, Posey, MoPete, and Peja (2 out of 3 games) sucking wind...it will take monster efforts by the big 3 to get it done.
How great is it to see a center with at least 1 post up move? When okafor learns to stay with his man on d this team is going to be much better off than with chandler....we are already seeing it even with mental mistakes as he has blocked more shots at crucial points in the game than tyson ever did in all his years here. CP3 and this team will make some noise this year when they settle in together.....or when they trade Posey/Wright for Rudy gay or danny granger. We have to get some wing help pronto.
#16
BeeDogg
11/05/09 10:09 AM
And sorry....for those of you defending JUJU....I just don't see it! How many years do we need him to "develop?" He just thinks way too much and doesn't let it fly...he has to dribble or pump fake every time.....drives me nuts! I was told earlier in a previous discussion that Rudy gay sucks. (whatever) but the bottom line is that we need help at the 2 or 3 badly. We need a real scorer....I would say let's look for Iverson since he is already pissed over there! He would be a perfect pargo/speedy guy have been looking for and I honestly believe he would be a good fit at the 2 and then handling the ball for paul when he gets doubled or resting....... go ahead kill me guys. i am just looking for anything we can do because I honestly believe Mo/Brown/Brown/JuJU/Posey will not get it done for us.
#17
otherMark
11/05/09 10:25 AM
This was the first game I was able to watch, so I don't have a first hand idea of what had been going wrong before last night.
I saw a lot of hustle on D, players fighting through screens, contesting entry passes, etc. (With the noticeable exception of J-Posey, who looks like he hates basketball and is in a hurry to get off the floor. No effort at all from our "veteran leadership" and "hustle defense" specialist.) It seemed to me that most of the egregious defensive lapses were strategic in nature (confusion on rotations), rather than an effort or ability problem.
On that note, what did the Hornets do defensively when Tyson would step out to contest jumpers? Did someone else rotate in to box out his man? Almost all the good things Dampier did were the result of Emeka stepping away to contest shots, and I'm sure Tyson did the same thing pretty often. Emeka was almost 100% effective at disrupting the initial attempt, so I'm not opposed to him helping on D, but how can he do it in a way that won't leave E-Damp alone for the rebound?
Bobby Brown seems like he is coachable, I too noticed how he (with the help of some evil eyes from the veterans) managed to get his mad gunning instincts under control. His backdoor cuts were awesome, and having him alongside CP3 makes him do more of that sort of work without the ball. My hope has always been that Peja - a former all-star veteran - on the 2nd team will help keep the Browns (Bobby and Devin) from dominating the ball, and promote the running of actual offensive sets. The 2nd team looked a LOT better than last year.
And Darius Songaila is going to be a big asset for us. Think of him as our replacement for Ryan Bowen - he fills the stat sheet and hustles in a similar way, he can be depended on not to do anything stupid, and his skill set is a big upgrade.
#18
Lancelot
11/05/09 10:29 AM
The thing about putting Julian in the starting lineup, is that in that position we do not need him to bring any sort of offense, like we would off the bench. His primary role in the starting lineup is to provide the defensive energy on opposing SGs, and SFs that we can't rely on CP, because of his lack of size, and Mo Pete, because of his complete lack of foot speed, to defend. I am completely happy with Julian's performance thus far. I would much rather see him become a lock down defender, than a prolific scorer.
Hopefully Byron will continue to build a more complimentary lineup, rather than just throwing random players onto the court together. We need players' to strengths to balance out the weaknesses of others on the court, of we will continue to get burned in a bad way. Had Posey, Peja, and Mo Pete stayed on Jason Terry through the final period, and into OT, we would not have won that game, period.
I know it's ridiculous, but I will actually like to see Bobby Brown inserted into the starting lineup in a minimal role. Hopefully Byron will play the rookies over the next week, so we can really see what they are going to provide, and we can make decisions from there, but unless Posey, and Mo Pete turn a corner REAL QUICK, and increase their defensive foot speed, I think we have to go with faster defenders, who can actually keep up with the opponents who are just beating us off the dribble.
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ChrisTrew.com
11/05/09 10:58 AM
This makes me feel better about Bobby Brown.
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NOH_Domination
11/05/09 12:11 PM
The first time I saw Bobby (1 week ago) I liked him. He brings the kind of energy Pargo brought when he was playing next to Paul. He's always gonna take bad shots and make dumb mistakes, but I will always feel more comfortable with him at the 2 instead of Mo. It's interesting that Scott played Mo at the 3 down the stretch. I know a lot of you gush over marcus thornton and I want to see him play (I'm not sure if it's because he's good or from LSU). I have seen Collison play and I know that right now he is the best backup pg option on this hornets team. He needs to be running the second unit...
#21
fizzle
11/05/09 12:21 PM
Speaking of Ike, does anyone know what the deal is? How long is he supposed to be out for?
#22
Andrea
11/05/09 12:30 PM
Damn, it must be hard for the Mavs to take that one lol
This is my first time seeing the guys play all year. Fortunately, I wasn't able to see the Spurs game. Stupid job interrupts my fandom.
It was a solid game. I'm not exactly over the moon about it because I truly believe Dallas had a meltdown at the line with those free throws but it's a win. I saw a team (in the 2nd half at least; missed the 1st half) that played like a team and competed the whole way through. I can't ask for anything more than that.
#23
Ryan Schwan
11/05/09 01:38 PM
@othermark - actually, Tyson Chandler almost never stepped out to block shots. That's why his block numbers were always around only one a game. He preferred to hold his ground and keep his hands up - it kept him out of foul trouble, and still provided a reasonable barrier on defense.
@Lancelot - As for Julian being the designated stopper for the starting five - even the best defensive specialists HAVE to have at least one offensive skill they do well to be viable. Bowen had a vicious corner three. Horry could hit threes all over the court. The other good defenders - Antoine Wright, Dahntay Jones - they didn't really have an offensive talent, and their career minutes are well below 20 a game. Julian has to develop SOMETHING on the offensive end to be viable as a defensive stopper.
My preferred Rotation at the moment:
1st Unit: Okafor/West/Wright/B. Brown/Paul
2nd Unit: Marks or Diogu/Songaila/Stojakovic/Thornton/Collison
Okafor, West, and Paul each get 36 minutes
Wright and Bobby get around 26 each
Marks, Diogu and Songaila split 24 minutes behind West and Okafor
Stojakovic gets 30, Thornton gets 14 to figure out if he can play.
Collison gets 12 behind Paul.
Posey, Armstrong, Devin Brown and Morris Peterson ride pine.
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Lancelot
11/05/09 01:58 PM
Ryan, I was just recently writing down the same ideas of rotations, and minutes assigned, almost to the T. My only concern with the reserves is that we might be a bit lead-footed.
In regards to Julian, I'm not excusing his offensive play, I'm just saying that he seems to be being used in more of a defensive role than anything else, and that I don't think him finding some great offensive game is even remotely necessary.
If we were to use a starting lineup that consisted of Paul, B. Brown, Wright, West, and Okafor, Julian would be my LAST offensive option on the court. That doesn't mean that it would be nice to see him knock down a shot with the ball in his hand, I'm just arguing that it isn't necessary at all.
If you look at Dahntay Jones' career before landing in Denver, he was definitely much more offensively minded, and then recreated himself as the lockdown defender that he was.
I would much rather Julian devote all of his energy to playing great, energetic defense, crashing the boards, and finishing above the rim, than trying to be molded into some outside shooter, or wing presence that he obviously isn't.
#25
420ftJesus
11/06/09 04:12 PM
I loved the Peja basket for the obvious game reasons, but also it's one of those storybook moments. The flicker of his former glory shone brightly, solidly for a moment. I was dying for Julian to be out there to help with defense (Mikey pointed out that options for Chris to distribute the ball to may be more important, so kudos and what do I know), but Coach wanted Peja.
Coach 1, 420ftjesus 0, as it should be.
I hope that the message is received that there is a part of greatness that isn't sleek and sexy and radiant, but that's stubborn and blind and irrational, that ignores everything bad that's just happened, that ignores the worst (literally, according to the radio guys) night of shooting in a (long) career, that ignores that maybe you just can't do it, that ignores that on average the greatest 3-point shooters make less than half those shots, that ignores that this other guy just scored 40 points and is an all-star and an MVP, and another all-star, and on and on . . .
When you are one of those great guys, when the game's on the line, you want the ball. You take you do what you do best, and all your work, all your effort is for that one moment . . . at least until the next one comes . . . and when that ball goes in, everything is better: no loss, no pain, no cancer, no war, no sports in the northeast, no USC.
You take the shot.
Peja may not hit many buckets, but I like to think that shot that was so hideous, deformed on the way up, that was so soft and beautiful on the way down will do something for our guys, the guys who've been better at what they do than all but a few thousand people in last century, to see what real heart is.
You take the shot.
I'm no fool: Peja is far from useless, but he's not elite anymore. He is great though, and he showed it Wednesday. Sure, someone has to take the shot in that situation, but taking the shot in the game situation, or despite your poor play doesn't make you great. Peja has a long, long story. All that goes into it.
Thanks, Peja, for the bucket, and for one of those little things you only see a few times, I think. I'll never forget you taking that shot even if I forget if you made it or not . . .
#26
GoDallas
11/07/09 11:30 AM
Just know you guys got away with this one... everything went right for you guys and you barely got the chance to win. Granted you smashed in overtime but thats just how momentum works. Josh Howard out, Dirk fouled out (thats happened 21 times before in his whole career) cold nights for everyone but Damp and Terry. Honestly, just don't feel too proud we more of lost it than you won it.
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