If you missed all the news earlier today, check here.
And now for a few bullet points to gather my scattered thoughts:
- Last basketball season was very disappointing for New Orleans sports fans. At the beginning, the Hornets were talked about as championship contenders, then they struggled to a 49-33 record and got humiliated by the Nuggets in the Playoffs. But you couldn't blame Byron for the team's failings last season, not with all the injuries the Hornets had. This season, the Hornets have been close to full health, and Byron was working with a roster that Chris Paul called the best he's ever been a part of. A 3-6 start just wasn't god enough, especially with most of the losses being blowouts.
- I'm reminded of Byron's words when he won the Coach of the Year award after the Hornets' magical 2007-08 season. Scott was asked if the reward meant redemption after his fall from grace in New Jersey:
"It's all so fickle, just such a fickle league. People can change on you in a second."
Such is life.
- My biggest concern with the Hornets firing Byron Scott was who they would get to replace him. I'm liking the direction they're headed in though, by handing the reigns to Jeff Bower and bringing back Tim Floyd as an assistant. Bower has his critics, but I have faith in the man. He quietly goes about his business and takes calculated risks. Sure, some of those risks haven't panned out (check the money Peja and Posey are making), but this is the NBA, where injuries are unpredictable and you often have to overpay to attract guys to a smaller market. Let's not forget how much he accomplished with very little wiggle room this past summer, getting good value for Tyson Chandler, bringing in Ike Diogu and landing two promising rookies, all while cutting salary.
- But how will Bower fare as head coach? I'd be worried if he was rolling with the same assistants as Byron, but having Tim Floyd at his side alleviates some concern. Floyd was fired in 2004 after one season as head coach of the Hornets, but the issue back then was that he couldn't control the egos on the roster, most notably Baron Davis. Now the Hornets have a team full of high-character guys that are craving some solid direction at both ends of the floor, and Floyd should be able to help immediately with that. He's more likely to draw up an effective play or call for a timely adjustment during a timeout, which will be a nice change from Byron telling the players that they just need to try harder and box out more.
And if nothing else, rest assured that we'll see less cat fights in New Orleans now that Tim Floyd is back in town. - Should we be worried about how Chris Paul is taking this news? Byron Scott is the only NBA coach he's ever had, and they apparently got along quite well. Hell, they were golfing together just two days ago!
But I don't expect it to be an issue. Chris is first and foremost a competitor. He wants to win, plain and simple. Byron Scott wasn't helping the Hornets win much anymore, and CP is smart enough to know that a change was warranted. I'm excited to see how he'll be used in a revamped Hornets offense. Don't be surprised to see his stats take a hit since he won't be asked to dominate the ball as much, but that should lead to more team success. - It's almost a year to the day since I started souring on Byron Scott.
- Does this change make the Hornets instantly better? Not really, although it wouldn't surprise me to see our guys stick it to the Blazers tomorrow night. (See, I tend to believe those rumors that the players had quit on Scott, and if that was indeed the case, they should show some signs of relief and rejuvenation next game.)
Obviously it will take Bower and Floyd some time to get the players familiar with different offensive and defensive strategies, but aside from that we're still left with a weakness at shooting guard and two aging small forwards. Those are issues that the team might not be able to address until next summer.


62 mighty comments post your own
LSUhornet
11/12/09 02:36 PM
Yay optimism. I wouldn't have been too happy if the Bower as head coach thing came without the Tim Floyd hiring, but hopefully the two of them can start to turn this around.
#1
Jeremy
11/12/09 02:52 PM
I think everyone needs to remember who Tim Floyd is--the former head coach who got fired from USC for cheating. And few think that he cheated *only* while at USC. I think our hiring of Floyd is a huge embarrassment, and it really will make me question my allegiance to my hometown team. I would rather us disappoint honestly than succeed with liars and cheaters.
#2
mW
11/12/09 03:10 PM
I believe the talent is there, critics be damned. So let's hope Bower/Floyd can turn this around!
www.hornetshype.com #3
LSUhornet
11/12/09 03:10 PM
He didn't get fired, and I don't think we have to worry about recruiting violations in the NBA.
#4
LSUhornet
11/12/09 03:19 PM
Not to mention nothing has come out from the NCAA investigation into those accusations, which could simply be a shakedown attempt. Reggie Bush is part of the same investigation, are you as quick to denounce him?
#5
gregzheng1994
11/12/09 03:51 PM
Maybe we can try to hire Avery Johnson next summer...?
#6
urgmasdaughter
11/12/09 03:56 PM
@LSU - I was gonna say the same thing, weird how Tim Floyd's gettin bashed but Reggie Bush of the beloved Saints ain't get a mention...
Also I loved Scott but I did think the players weren't buyin what he was sellin anymore but we wont see how this pans out til a little later in the season. I said the same thing about the Chandler/Okafor trade, let's see how it works out then we'll make an assessment. Let's see how Bower does, maybe we needed a lil shakeup to get these guys playin with some fire
#7
downtowndave78
11/12/09 03:59 PM
I would denounce Bush in a second. He is nothing more than a third down back/ receiver and always has been. He would be a great saintsation to pose for the spotlight and all the fans who need a poster boy in their lineup.
I, for one, don't!
Duece carried us (literally) to the NFC championship just like Bell and Thomas can this year as long as Payton plays real football and uses the run. Brees will do the rest. When we run we win, and Reggie can't run! Plain & simple.
Wow, with all of the depressing news about the Hornets I to Who Dat for a second to clear my head of so many crazy thoughts.
I am excited to see some changes coming our way with the Hornets, but at the same time I am not sure if I am really happy with them.
Bower?????? Tim Floyd??????? 9 game firing????????
Well, this season will definitely be interesting.
#8
Niall Doherty
11/12/09 04:12 PM
Interesting post by CJ Paul on Twitter: "I can't stand when ppl that don't know Basketball, make major basketball decisions. It turns out to be a disaster."
http://twitter.com/cjpaul14/status/5658883238
I guess he's not a fan of this move. I wonder does Chris feel the same way. I'm thinking the team will be fine from a coaching standpoint so long as CP buys into the new Bower/Floyd system.
www.ndoherty.com #9
Niall Doherty
11/12/09 04:19 PM
Any thoughts on one name for our coaching tandem? Jim Flower perhaps?
www.ndoherty.com #10
DrewS
11/12/09 04:22 PM
All I know is Bower's mustache is much more formidable than Byron's. They should have hired his mustache as the head coach and Bower as the assistant.
http://www.nba.com/media/hornets/250_blog_buzz_5july2007.jpg
#11
yatpatel
11/12/09 04:25 PM
i have no idea if the Bower/Floyd tag team is gonna be an improvement, but Byron had to go. Heck, if nothing else, at least Bower will play his own draft picks (Collison) and free agents (Diogu). Any move that means fewer minutes for Hilton Armstrong, sign me up!
#12
Zwie
11/12/09 04:27 PM
when i first heard this news. i was blown AWAY... i guess i have to be the bad guy and the half empty type guy and say... this is not going to be a good season.. a coaching change this early in the season.. how do you believe this sits with the players...?? i LOVE the hornets. and i would appreciate if nobody questioned my love for them,, BUT.. i wouldnt be suprised if we didnt make the playoffs... just to many obstables for us to overcome..
#13
Mikey
11/12/09 04:32 PM
Well, Bower brought in all this "talent" to the wing positions at a cost of about $30 million a year. Lets see what he can do with it. This needed to happen. Those guys weren't even competing on defense anymore.
Maybe now we can focus on developing some young players, because firing your coach less than 10 games into the season pretty much puts you in "rebuilding" mode.
Ultimately, I hope Coach Scott takes this as a learning experience. I'm sure his coaching career isn't over, and he may even be a head coach in the league again sometime soon. Sometimes, as the man in charge, you must hold yourself accountable for what your team does well, as well as what they do poorly. I actually wrote a journal about that very subject this past April, titled "The Four Words I Want to Hear Most From Byron Scott". I never once heard Scott say "That one is on me" or "I've got to do a better job of coaching these guys". NBA players that get paid to play ball are only going to accept getting thrown under the bus for so long. Sooner or later they WILL become disinterested (I think this is definitely the case with David West).
#14
MoPeteCP3
11/12/09 04:57 PM
i cant believe this! they went 2 a whole new low with this one. ya'll know what's next: Chris paul gonna leave.Let them keep makin "changes" and there isnt gonna be a team.At least not one that we know.you cant blame byron scott if the players or whoever not doin what they supposed to be doing.i dont think we're gonna advance.why are they trying to make it seem as if jeff bower know so much about the team better than byron scott does.under his coaching we got somewhere but NO dont talk about that.that's in the past and not to be spoken of.this is bull.i cant blame cj for not being a fan of this move.as if this move is gonna improve us.i done heard it all
#15
Tony
11/12/09 05:04 PM
I wonder if Avery Johnson would even take the job, he just came out of pretty much the same exact situation Scott just got through, in fact their coaching styles seem very similar, why would the Hornets even go after him?
Few other things, I never buy into what stars say to the media, its just whatever will make them look good, Paul saying this is the best team he's ever played with just seems like a confidence thing to me. Do you think he'd say, yeah this team is good but we've had better? They were expected to be good this year, anything other than saying their the best would be seen as a negative comment, and even the smallest negativity can create dissention. Look at LeBron and free agency. He said it wasn't all about money, but does anyone think that he won't be playing for a max contract next year, I sure don't. Look at Shaq, everywhere he goes whoever he's playing with at the moment is the best in the league, Kobe/Wade/LeBron, even Nash was "the best PG in the league" before they started losing.
I think Paul NEEDS to do what Kobe did in LA a few years ago, because essentially he is the boss of the Lakers, like CP3 to the Hornets. He said he was tired of playing on a losing team with stop gap solutions like Smush Parker and Kwame Brown and he demanded a trade. He put the blame essentially on the organization beause they weren't giving him a healthy supporting cast. Its what Kevin Garnett should have done in Minnesota, because obviously he was playing his heart out and management was content with him being their main attraction and not improving.
#16
Jeremy
11/12/09 05:07 PM
To answer your question about Reggie Bush: Yes, I denounce him for being a cheat. It's not like he's much of a factor in the NFL anyhow. He cheapens the Saints with his poor work ethic and Hollywood fixation. I don't disparage him for performing below expectations--many didn't think his game would translate--rather, I disparage him for other reasons. Besides, isn't this a Hornets blog?
I stand corrected that Floyd didn't technically get fired, but it's a technicality. It's quite common to resign when you're about to get canned and have absolutely no integrity left. Anyone who think he left of his own volition is naive beyond imagination.
And sure, the investigation isn't over, but there's not a single reputable sports journalist out there who thinks Floyd may be innocent. No college will ever touch him again, unless it's a DIII school with money to burn.
My problem is that the NBA effectively rewards dirty NCAA coaches by giving them assistant coaching positions. It wasn't even a month after Kelvin Sampson was forced to resign from Indiana that he was hired as a consultant to the Spurs, and within three month of that, the Bucks hired him.
The NBA has a rep for looking the other way too often. Stern talks a big game about being clean, but he's talking while looking the other way from people like Tim Floyd.
#17
Caleb462
11/12/09 05:21 PM
Read At The Hive's Floyd writeup. I agree with it.
It's not that Floyd didn't do something unethical. He probably did. But when looked at within the context of the NCAA's hypocrisy and the fact that such practices are likely *very* common... well it still looks shady, but nothing that's a big deal... not to me atleast.
neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com #18
Caleb462
11/12/09 05:23 PM
And since when does Reggie Bush have a poor work ethic?
I've always heard positive things about that aspect of Bush.
neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com #19
LSUhornet
11/12/09 06:00 PM
There are no questions about Bush's work ethic. People assume that because he is in commercials that he doesn't take football seriously. Also, calling someone's ethics into question when nothing has been proven isn't the best practice. Even if he accepted money or clothes or whatever, I don't think that equates to him being a "cheater." How that money made him score touchdowns at USC I'm not sure. It's the same as the hoopla over LeBron's mother driving a Hummer while he was still in high school. None of this pertains to the NFL, NBA, Reggie Bush, or Tim Floyd at all. USC is under investigation for recruiting violations, that's it. If you don't think that this type of thing goes down at every major sports college in the country than you are ignorant or naive. I cheated on tests in college, I don't think that means I'm gonna steal or commit fraud in my current job. Like atthehive said, the main problem is with the system, but if you still want to crucify Floyd for a possible recruiting violation be my guest.
#20
Andrea
11/12/09 06:16 PM
Not surprised that B.Scott is out. Now let's see what happens.
#21
LSUhornet
11/12/09 06:37 PM
I'm sick of this: "Despite their financial woes, someone at the Bees' Podunk practice facility"
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/12508087/new-orleans-bumbling-brass-leaves-team-in-hornets-nest
Guarantee you this ******* has never even seen a picture of the Alario center facility and is going off of the Yahoo! report from 2 weeks ago. I can't believe these are professional journalists.
#22
LSUhornet
11/12/09 06:44 PM
Again, *******: "Not with new top assistant Tim Floyd, a failed former head coach of the Hornets whose most notable career accomplishments have been coaching the post-Jordan Bulls and breaking up a casino fight. "
Really? Nothing about his ridiculously successful college career huh? I was waiting for the part about the half-empty arena. I guess they got tired of that one.
#23
Niall Doherty
11/12/09 06:49 PM
Easy with the language. Berger's story speaks for itself.
www.ndoherty.com #24
LSUhornet
11/12/09 06:53 PM
Sorry Niall. I was fired up.
#25
mW
11/12/09 06:53 PM
Wow. Ken Berger is a total [fill in the blank]. Let's face it folks, we better get used to it. Because witih Lebron raining on their 2010 party, the so-called journalists of major media need someone to piss on. We just happened to be the big story.
I'm just waiting for CP to tell the world to take your assumptions and shove 'em when we rattle off a string of victories and start playing to our potential.
www.hornetshype.com #26
SaveYourBoredom
11/12/09 06:57 PM
If you read the story on NOLA.com with David West's quotes, you should have no doubt the team quit on Byron Scott.
http://www.nola.com/hornets/index.ssf/2009/11/post_6.html
West has always been the elder statesman of the team, the guy who speaks out to the media when his team needs something said. I remember when he spoke to the media very openly about how disappointed he was in the Tyson Chandler-to-the-Thunder trade in February. So I'm inclined to believe him.
#27
JChangNZ
11/12/09 07:01 PM
Even though this team has been falling apart, it is still sad, nevertheless, to see Coach Scott leave the Hornets. I don't know if this has been pointed out, but here's an interesting thing:
"That's right; all four coaches who were honored prior to last year's winner were fired not too long after winning the COY hardware. In order: Mike D'Antoni, Avery Johnson, Sam Mitchell, and now, Scott. In fact, of the 10 men who were COY winners from 1999 through 2008, just one — San Antonio's Gregg Popovich — is still employed by the club he won it with.
So you know what that means ... you're next, Mike Brown!"
#28
LSUhornet
11/12/09 07:04 PM
Yeah everything I read looks like West was completely done with Scott. Guess, that's why he spoke to the media huh? I only pray that the front office wouldn't do this without CP's blessing, or at least understanding. One of the articles (can't remember which) said Shinn tried to talk Bower into taking over as head coach over the summer. I'm pretty sure we all would have freaked out at that one. What a difference 9 games can make.
#29
corndeaux
11/12/09 07:17 PM
listen- i dont think anyone can honestly think the shinn hasnt done everything he could to bring a winner to the city. he has spent money- money he doesn't have. unfortunately bower gambled and lost on some free agent signings and they have missed on the draft the last couple of years. when the team is playing poorly the coach is the first to go.
byron didnt get the job done- regardless of the talent- he didnt get everything he could from the players. he was in the final year of his contract. this was coming as soon as byron wasnt reupped and everyone knew it.
#30
BeeDogg
11/12/09 07:23 PM
LOL.....
Incredible....This is going to fun to watch. Sure makes sense now, David West spoke volumes with his quotes. That lazy ass hijacked the team with his play...and I am sure JUJU and Mo were poisoning the young guys. I will bet anyone here cp3 is out of here within 3 years. Nice one guys.... watch byron in LA in a couple of years with cp3 running the point.
#31
Tony
11/12/09 07:30 PM
I can't see how Avery Johnson would possibly come to New Orleans. He just went through pretty much the same exact situation Scott just went through in Dallas, and on top of that their coaching styles seem very similar.
A few more things, Paul saying that this is the best team hes ever played with is just a confidence boost for the team. If he had said anything else he would've been flamed by the first person that got the chance(What else could he have said? "Yeah this teams great, but I've had better"). He's just doing the politically correct thing, kind of like LeBron telling the media that he'd be content with signing for anything less than the max on any team, anyone buying that?
What he should be doing though is taking Kobe's route, becuase this is managements fault. CP3 is out there balling his butt off while, Shinn is trying to trim payroll, content to ride CP3 for as long as he can before hes had enough. When Kobe demanded a trade the Lakers knew he meant business, and guess what? they brought Pau Gasol in THAT SAME YEAR! You have to put pressure on management or they'll hold out until their star leaves.
#32
jonathan nikravesh
11/12/09 07:37 PM
they needed to do something... management, by making this move proved that they have faith in our players by doing this. let's see what happens.
#33
Tony
11/12/09 08:39 PM
In response to Tim Floyd having a successful having a successful college career, that actually has historically been a very bad indicator for NBA coaches, I think Larry Brown is like the only coach who has made the transition sucessfully.
Also I think a team quitting on a coach speaks more to the teams attitude than anything, I mean what did they quit on? They were successful and they stopped listening to him? Doesn't that speak more to their character than the coaches? Were they mad that he was preaching defense? What is it that they quit on? Good teams don't quit on their coaches, something else went wrong, most likely they started losing and they blamed it on the coach. I'm sure their veterans weren't mad at him because he wasn't starting the rooks.
He says pride is a dangerous thing, but the statement is hypocritcal, it reeks of pride in and of itself. Is it possible that West himself had a problem with Scotts style? Because it seemed like the team also quit on CP3 because he obviously hasn't quit yet. You see him on the court he's not yelling at Byron every time one of his bigs misses his rotation. Maybe he came out of those huddles shaking his head because there were certain people that just weren't listening. After all he was just seen golfing with the coach a few days ago, but then again that may be out of context too.
#34
Caleb462
11/12/09 08:47 PM
"I will bet anyone here cp3 is out of here within 3 years. Nice one guys.... watch byron in LA in a couple of years with cp3 running the point."
I'd gladly take that bet. I dont think CP is going anywhere.
Blah, whatever. We have to hear this crap from the media, why are you spouting it off too? I know you like Byron, Beedogg, and there are certainly things to like about him... but come on, there is plenty to dislike too. And the fact of the matter is, this team was no longer buying what Byron was selling. That was painfully obvious.
neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com #35
Caleb462
11/12/09 08:53 PM
Tony - think of it like this.... ever had a job where your boss was an idiot and you couldn't stand the guy? I'm sure you have, we all have. So you tune out all his bs and while you continue to do your job, you dont have the motivation to go the extra mile. Eventually maybe you just start to go through the motions.
Now I'm not saying Byron is an idiot, and I'm not saying the players couldn't stand him, just trying to illustrate what I think people mean when they say the team "quit on Scott."
But you do bring up a good point, and that is - there is plenty of blame to go around.
neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com #36
Tony
11/12/09 09:52 PM
I get what your saying, but I guess my feeling is that I'd really need to know what Byron did to get the team to quit on him(if it was in fact the whole team or just a few or maybe just West). The guy with the most sway on that team should be CP3 then Byron, and he seemed to be on board with Scott judging by his body language on court this year. If he was on board with Scott, and the rest of the team still couldn't get with that then I don't see how the problems cease.
Using your work analogy, usually beneath the manager there is a top worker, kind of like the locker room leader. The manager usually only needs to get the respect of that leader and the respect will spread. I feel like Byron did get that respect from Paul(maybe I'm totally wrong and CP3 was actually instrumental in getting Scott fired, in that case hey what can I say?)and if the rest of the team couldn't follow suit with their best worker or their manager then you need an overhaul of your personnel. Sometimes another leader will emerge and start dividing the team into halves, and if thats what happened then West seems to be that guy and he'd definately need to be shipped out, and I don't think anyone would disagree with that. Anyhow, I don't know what happened, this is just the way I think things went down.
#37
LSUhornet
11/12/09 10:26 PM
The David West conspiracy theory is a huge stretch. First of all, I don't think CP3 would allow David too get that far out of line, if it was just him. I don't think anyone here believes DWest is a locker room cancer, or prima donna (a la Baron Davis). My read that he was the most tenured Hornet voicing the opinion of the majority of the players. I know CP3 should be speaking up too, but it doesn't seem like his nature, or maybe he wanted Byron there. If so, it doesn't do a whole lot of good, we've seen he can't win by himself out there. Regardless of the fault, if the players had tuned out the coach, you can either replace every player on the roster except CP3, or you can fire the tuned out coach. What do you think is the more realistic solution? We can see what the Hornets in charge thought.
#38
YoungFella
11/12/09 11:23 PM
I admire many of you for trying to find a positive in this story, but the truth of the matter is that in league circles we dumped a respected coach that we were lucky to have. We replaced him with a guy who has no coaching experience and the worst coach in recent NBA history.
Whether or not you find ESPN to be legit or fair, they think that the New Orleans Hornets FO is the laughingstock of the NBA as a result of this move. I threw around the comparison to Oakland Raiders and I think it applies here. Tim Floyd is our Art Shell - a horrible retread because nobody else out there would take the job. Bower will be our Tom Cable.
#39
Chung
11/12/09 11:33 PM
Since the Hornets are over the luxary tax, the Shinns probably figured that they didn't need a GM to make deals for the rest of the season, so why not shift him to a different "position" to make himself useful? If they pay me a few bucks, I'd take the job!
#40
Tony
11/12/09 11:44 PM
To be honest, I don't think the whole locker room tuned him out. The rotation is only so many players deep, and you have a starting 5 that plays most minutes. In basketball it only takes one big minute player not playing defense to kill a whole team. It is so demoralizing to be on a team where one guy, especially you're big doesn't play defense it can ruin the whole scheme. If your wings spend all their energy playing defense and their guy does get past them, and you're big is either too lazy or just not a good enough defensive player to get over on the rotation you're guard will stop defending as well. Now I'm not saying that DWest is that guy, although I've never liked his D, but just from watching the games, their big guys are not doing enough on D, opposing guards use CP3's own guys for picks so often its ridiculous.
This just brings me to a point I've been trying to make. Coaching at an NBA level is very overrated imo, which is why I continue to say firing coach Scott is just a short term solution. If it were up to me I WOULD trade a lot of the guys on the team, beacuse it is just not a good team. You can not win if you don't have good defensive bigs and the Hornets have bad defensive bigs, who also happen to be bad offensive players, along with aging wings that are middling at best on offense and are all older than 30 years old. Their sea legs are leaving them and they can barely keep up with their guys by themselves. Outside of Okafor, you can't tell me that any of their bigs are good defensive players. On top of that they are going in undersized every night and DWest plays more like a spot up 3 then a four.
You get down to your wings and we're talking about Peja, who wasn't a great defensive player at his peak, now he's getting old on top of dealing with about 6 or 7 years of injuries. I can go on but maybe everyone should do the reasearch themselves. Look at this roster and tell me where the potential is for this team, most of their wings had their best seasons years ago. If the problem is that Scott wasn't playing the rooks, what championship high quality team does? The ones that do are the anomalies. The teams that fire their coaches are the ones on downward trends. Playing rookies and firing coaches are always signs of a team that is the beginning of rebuild mode. Are we going to depend on Darren Collison and Marcus Thornton to get to the playoffs? Do teams normally rely on late first round picks and 2nd round 43rd pick rookies to get them to the playoffs? I'm sure some teams have done it here and there, the Spurs have a good track record, how many other teams do? I know I'm being negative as hell, but I do not see much to be positive about on this team, unless they are going to rebuild in which case, yes do give the rooks playing time, but we have an MVP in his prime, not the time to be rebuilding right, I thought we'd just got done rebuilding.
#41
YoungFella
11/12/09 11:46 PM
from a Deadspin commentor - this sums up my feelings 100%:
"GM Jeff Bower, the artist who brought in Peja Stojackovic, James Posey and Morris Peterson's franchise-crippling contracts, is set to be our new head coach, despite the fact that he has never coached on any level...
Color me stoked!"
#42
BeesGivingEffort
11/12/09 11:51 PM
Wow Youngfella that's significantly negative. I think minus Rasual Butler our roster is improved greatly in depth this year from last year. I wonder how that happened? I guess Ike Diogu just wanted to party on bourbon every night and Charlotte took pity on us so much that we actually got value back for Tyson Chandler? Yeah, Miami really robbed us by giving us a late 1st round pick talent for 2 2nd rounders. Or the fact that you and everyone else was crying about how much we needed to shake things up and they did. Have you even watched any Hornets games this season or are you to busy jumping on the Saints bandwagon? They look lost, confused, dejected, and uninspired. Must be all DW's fault. Certainly not Byron Scott's. Fire sale all you want on the Hornets FO, but IMO you should just take off that t-shirt you're wearing and go fair weather somewhere else (I hear PHX is having a good season and Steve Nash is a viable MVP for putting up less than CP3 stats).
#43
stormsurge
11/12/09 11:52 PM
Youngfella,
I assume you mean the commenters? I certainly didnt see that in the articles. And no, I dont consider anyone who comments on ESPN to be a credible commenter on the status of the Hornets any more than I count on the commenters on CNN to be credible on matters about post-Katrina New Orleans.
www.stormsurgephoto.com #44
BeesGivingEffort
11/12/09 11:53 PM
I'm just loving all the 20/20 hindsight being flung this way and that because we're 3-6. It's obnoxious. Before the preseason, almost everyone was relatively happy and felt we had an easy 6 seed team.
#45
YoungFella
11/13/09 12:01 AM
@ Stormsurge: No, I'm talking about NBA commentators like Stein, Bucher, Simmons, Mannix, Hollinger, etc.
Some of you guy's analysis of where the Hornets are right now is utterly stunning. This is a team that quit on their coach twice in a span of 10 games - once in the playoffs at home. How anybody can call this Hornets roster a "team of high-character guys" astounds me. How can anybody be optimistic about Jeff Bower and Tim Floyd?
Eric Asher and Juan Kincaid thought it was a joke today when they heard the name "Tim Floyd" mentioned.
As probably the only person on this site who had season tickets back when Tim Floyd was coach - let me tell you about the time he tried to get Baron Davis to call a time out..... oh wait, maybe not. I don't want to be called a bandwagon fan again.
#46
YoungFella
11/13/09 12:06 AM
Again - even Harvey Hornet is now predicting doom and gloom. I don't think people are "NegaHornets" for saying that we're in huge trouble here.
Chris Paul's brother sent out a very bitter message tonight, Chris Paul has not smiled since February 2009, David West is back on that ridiculous beach ball and we're 2 weeks into the season, and Okafor looks like a midget in the lane.
CP3's trade value just plummeted today, because now everybody in the NBA thinks that he will opt out. Not that we would have ever traded him willingly, but he now has the leverage to pull a BD and force us to trade him for pennies on the dollar.
What's worse - he now would have public opinion on his side nationally if he did force a trade. National observers are mocking this coaching change. If Chris Paul demanded a trade tomorrow the PTI guys, the ESPN NBA "experts", everybody would praise him and say it's a wise career move. Not even the biggest Hornetard can deny that.
#47
NIH87
11/13/09 12:10 AM
LOL, it's quite clear which folks aren't Saints fans in here as people are still putting hope into this joke of a team.
Anyway, I'm more worried about the long term aspects of today's events rather than the short term. The Hornets circus of basketball operations was exposed for the whole world to see today and that will hurt us in the future when we go after accomplished coaches, GMs, and even free agents. We'll either have to severely opver pay or just get snubbed. Neither of which is very appealing.
As for Bower taking over-it's just another instance of a franchise saying to their GM, ''You shit on the floor, now you clean it up.'' He probably won't last past this year and Floyd was brought into help with strategy this season and probably to take over in the future. yay.
#48
BeesGivingEffort
11/13/09 12:26 AM
Everything you say could potentially be true but what did you want them to do with the situation they were in? Back in 2007, after getting ousted by the Spurs in the semis in 7, everyone thought the Hornets had a championship caliber roster and expectations soared. ESPN had the Hornets as 2nd favorites in the league to win it all during their NBA preview issue. No one was bagging the front office moves than. Pargo decides he wants way to much money and gets no offer worth anything in the NBA and moves to Russia, where he proceeded to get hurt. The Hornets sign James Posey and trade for what at the time seemed like a reliable veteran PG. Man, our roster looks ready to rock and roll all of a sudden. Injuries crippled us in '08 and we still pull out 49 wins. But all of a sudden no one trusts the roster we have and people are clamoring for the Hornets to make moves to infuse some healthy reliable talent into the team. With the Hornets strapped about 7mill over the cap they manage to somehow on paper find ways to seemingly do that, and everyone is pleased by how our roster looks on opening day. Now we're 3-6 and the front office is a bunch of morons even though they've been doing what the people in New Orleans wanted from the time they got back, still 3mill over the cap in a tiny market. Now we're stuck in a bind and all of a sudden the team's roster is a crying shame and the front office is being compared to the Raiders? Get over yourself. NOONE was saying this stuff and pointing fingers at the beginning of the 08 season. This front office has done exactly what it's people has asked of it and is now under fire by the same people who told them to do what they did. Think about it:
1) Get value for Tyson
2) Play the youngsters
3) Get the local boy in the draft - for 2 2nd rounders when alot of people were ok with grabbing him at 21
4) Get rid of Antonio Daniels
5) Continue to spend money and not be cheap
6) Sign a backup big man (bad luck we haven't seen Diogu yet)
People were pretty much clamoring for all of this and now...
It's a crying shame this management is painted this way...
#49
BeesGivingEffort
11/13/09 12:27 AM
NIH - that makes absolutely no sense. People who are faithful to the Hornets aren't Saints fans? SIMPLY AMAZING logic.
#50
HornetSaint83
11/13/09 12:29 AM
I'm not so much mad about the Scott firing, as much as our plan or lack thereof. This is humiliating that we're having Bower and Floyd back on the bench. When Floyd was coach, Bower was the assistant, and now it's reversed. Not only that, but Tim Floyd isn't respected in the NBA. This situation is bush league. How the hell is Bower going to scout AND coach, when his job as GM is signing "franchise-crippling" contracts to quote someone. My excitement rapidly dwindled today as more pieces to the story came out.
Is anyone even aware we have only TWO scouts? That's the lowest in the NBA, and they aren't very good. This is a small market and you can't afford to not draft well. I'm very envious of OKC's operation they've got since Bennett took over the Sonics. Let's compare two other small markets in SA and OKC: Both are small, Both have bought their own D-League teams for player development, and both don't rely on bringing in big name free agents or ridiculous contracts to solve all their problems. Just about everyone on those two teams are home grown or grown 100 miles away in their D-League cities.
The Shinns... The Cranstons... the two royal families who run and/or work our franchise. Since working for the Hornets is about who you know, when is Chad Shinn going to get his chance to be an assistant coach? What, is he still taking notes at the Alario Center on the bleachers on how to be an asst? Sit, fart, stand silently during timeouts.
And for the some of you who are homers, I'm critical because I CARE!
#51
YoungFella
11/13/09 12:32 AM
"1) Get value for Tyson
2) Play the youngsters
3) Get the local boy in the draft - for 2 2nd rounders when alot of people were ok with grabbing him at 21
4) Get rid of Antonio Daniels
5) Continue to spend money and not be cheap
6) Sign a backup big man (bad luck we haven't seen Diogu yet)"
Those are all nice points. I was saying as far back as February of 2009 that we were in for a rough 2 years though. Bower messed this roster up so bad with the ridiculous Posey signing. Most Hornets fans liked the move, but I promise you that most of us on TigerDroppings HATED that move. Posey is not what we needed, and he was such a bad signing that he basically negated all the good things Bower has done since then. The Bobby Jackson trade for Bonzi and Mike James was another really bad move, and obviously the MoPete and Peja deals were poorly constructed and did not look out for the best interests of a small-market team.
Look the FO does not get off the hook. We have TWO SCOUTS! TWO! It's unfathomable. Shinn's brother in law and son are running things and neither has meaningful NBA experience. They can't get the damn games on television in 5 years, they put "OKLAHOMA CITY" on their red jerseys and wonder why nobody buys season tickets the next year... They're morons.
You tell me that I forget all the good that the FO has done, but I'm telling you that you've forgotten all the BAD that the FO has done.
And it's been a heck of a lot more BAD than GOOD.
#52
NIH87
11/13/09 12:33 AM
Anyone who puts any real hope into the Hornets turning around clearly doesn't have another team to follow. I expect 20-25 wins but it won't bother me one but because the Saints are having an historical season.
#53
YoungFella
11/13/09 12:37 AM
@ HornetSaint: Great points. I think this Bower/Floyd thing has done what the Shinns/Webers intended which was to scapegoat Bower.
Bower is a below-average GM for sure. But Shinn/Weber/ChadShinn are probably one of the worst Front Offices in American Major League sports.
As fans we need to make a decision as to whether to try and get behind this team and seperate our feelings about the Hornets from our feelings about the front office. I managed to do that in 2006/07 - calling into WWL and writing the Times Pic, giving Shinn the benefit of the doubt after the OKC debacle. I frankly don't think I have the energy to do it again.
I'm going for the first time tomorrow night and I fully expect some "Who Dat" cheers to start right around the time the Fun N Gun Blazers open up a 20 point lead.
Who Dat indeed.
#54
QueenBee
11/13/09 12:53 AM
I don't think CP's stats will take all that much of a hit. I think the guys will actually have a little more freedom than they had under Scott. Scott was running a strict vanilla offense it seemed and like West said they had become "predictable".
Perhaps Julian might not make so many mistakes because he feared Scott breathing down his neck. He needs to get it together though. This will be his 3rd season. Get it together young man. You too Hilton.
Also, think about this. Would CP actually come out and say he was happy with this decision to let Scott go? I mean we all know he liked the guy as a person but could he have been tiring of him as a coach as well? If he came out and said he was happy with the decision would he be portrayed as a coach killer like Jason Kidd? Just something that crossed my mind.
I'm not all doom and gloom like many I've seen today. I'm waiting for tomorrow's game against the Blazers and will go from there. GEAUX HORNETS!
#55
NIH87
11/13/09 01:01 AM
CP is far from happy about Scott being let go. First his brother spoke out against the firing and CP told the TP he was upset that they didn't give him notice before making the decision to fire Scott. He also said it wasn't all of Byron's fault, 'it's not all on coach' as he said.
#56
YoungFella
11/13/09 01:17 AM
@ NIH: The arrogance of the Shinns and "Uncle Hugh" is astounding. Not running this by CP3 or at least giving him a heads up is probably the dumbest part of the whole ordeal. What do they think, that he's an "employee"?
That kind of arrogance is pretty dangerous. Pret-ttty Prettt-taaayyyy dangerous.
#57
NIH87
11/13/09 01:19 AM
It's just another misstep by a joke of an org. From what I've heard the Hornets didn't tell Scott about Okafor either.
#58
magnesium
11/13/09 01:24 AM
Hello
I have just read this news on Internet.I read that Bower is a one-time Hornets assistant but has never been a head coach in the NBA.Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts and news with us.
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Twerp
11/13/09 10:15 AM
Just Great. CP's Business Manager talking Negatives on Twitter for All to see!!
That's the responsible thing to do. Making statements about the very business that supplies his vitality. Read the String of Twitters that proceed his last statement about flights and picture on golf course, guess with who??
#60
BeesGivingEffort
11/13/09 10:17 AM
@NIH - You make so many idiotic statements, it's hard to take anything you say seriously. You can't be a fan of the Saints and the Hornets at the same time. I forgot that wasn't allowed.
@YoungFella - All I'm saying is that no one was crying about the Hornets roster after the '07 season. But now everyone has something to say since they're losing.
#61
mW
11/13/09 12:42 PM
It's a long season. Anyone predicting 20 wins doesn't know CP, nor do I think the organization "is a joke." Come on, people. Let's see how this shuffles out. The talent is there on the roster. Let's see if Bower/Floyd can use it better than Scott.
www.hornetshype.com #62