After watching this game, I'm torn. On one hand, for the first time this season, I turned off a game after a loss and I was fine with it. Not only was I fine with it, I felt like I had hope that the season would turn around for the first time. Yes, Paul was hurt and left the game. It didn't ruffle that kernel of hope.
On the other hand, I felt a small pit of anger in my stomach. Scott not playing the rookies to this point was criminal. Criminal.
Okay, now that I've said that, I'll move on to the bullets:
- The first change in the rotation by Bower was using Sean Marks instead of Hilton Armstrong as the first big off the bench, and instantly it paid dividends. On his first play in the game, he tipped a rebound away from both Blazer's big men to West. On the third, he set a wicked back pick on Andre Miller, getting Thornton open for a wide open shot in the corner. That's right, an off-the-ball pick. Wow, I hadn't seen that in a while. Marks was the primary reason the Hornets battled the Blazers to a draw on the boards in the first half, and his foul trouble keeping him out in the second half led to the Hornets being crushed in that department. He matters.
- Marcus Thornton stepped onto the floor on fire and scored a dozen different ways tonight. Yes, he forced a couple shots in the fourth, but it didn't matter at all considering everything else he did. 8-15 FG, 2-5 3PT, 2-2 FT, 20 points, 2 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal in 24 minutes. It was great to see someone making their open shots - and he and Collison ran the break so skillfully I shed a single glistening tear. One thing is certain, once Thornton gains some respect from the refs, a little NBA strength and a little more experience, he's going to be drawing fouls left and right. The guy drives without fear, and his back cuts are swift.
- Collison started off pressing and a little shaky. He opened with a couple bad shots, but after an early timeout, I saw Posey take him aside on the sidelines, patting at the air, and clearly telling him to settle down. From then on, the rookie played well, particularly defensively as he continuously put pressure on the Blazer's ballhandlers, and kept in Bayless' and Miller's shirts. He was clearly irritating Miller at points too. Haven't seen that kind of pressure since Pargo was in town - and Collison is no gunner like Pargo. Collison finished with 18 points on 7-14 shooting. 4-4 FT, 1 rebound, 2 assists, 2 steals and continuous pressure by bringing the ball up quickly.
- West was more active than I've seen him all season. He looked like the David West of two seasons ago. Did he have a couple bad rotations? Sure, but he more than made up for it elsewhere. It made me happy to see, though it also makes me a little sad to think he's been dogging it.
- I liked what Songaila was giving us, and would prefer to see him get minutes over Posey at this point. He does need to have someone sit down with him like they did with Marks last season and tell him to stop taking the 2-point shots one step in from the three-point line.
- My only complaint about Bower's rotation was he played Posey and Brown too long. But I can live with that, especially since Bower is feeling things out to start.
- The Blazers must have had tape of the Lakers-Hornets game earlier this season. They did exactly what the Lakers did: bumping, poking, slapping and getting after Chris Paul every time he made himself available to take a hit. Paul was game, but he was struggling a little bit offensively until he landed on Przybilla's heel after a pass and twisted the same ankle he had already hurt two games ago. No word yet on how bad it is.
- The first quarter was ugly as Paul generated open shots for Stojakovic, Brown and later Posey and none of them could knock them down. Wide open shot after wide open shot missed. They should have been up 10 going into the second. Peja was misfiring so bad his last shot missed everything by about 2 feet. I don't even know what to say.
Once Paul returns, this team will make a run. I'm calling it right now.
UPDATES: Lots of video...


29 super-fantastic comments post your own
bigindian15
11/13/09 10:35 PM
The shooting was weird...never seen both teams just flat out ice cold like that in the first quarter.
Any news on Diogu?
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downtowndave78
11/13/09 10:43 PM
Thanks Ryan...I am definitely with you on this one. Great post.
I would still like to see JuJu a little more though.
#2
downtowndave78
11/13/09 10:45 PM
@ bigindian...I agree...I don't remember anything that cold.
#3
LSUhornet17
11/13/09 10:53 PM
I feel better after this loss than I do after the Clippers win. Thornton will have better games. He'll definitely have worse ones too, but he was nowhere near as hot as I've seen him get. I love Collison's speed and finishing ability. If he gets that jumper down he's gonna be a handful for anybody to cover. West looked much better on both sides of the floor. Okafor had a rough night. He would seriously help himself out if he would box out, like ever. I've been paying attention the last two or three games and Emeka gives up a ton offensive rebounds to the other team by standing there and waiting to get the board. That's fine if you're 7'1" of uber-athletic, but Emeka is neither. We already knew West wasn't great on the boards, so if Emeka keeps this up the offensive glass trend might continue.
#4
ticktock6
11/13/09 10:55 PM
I feel almost the exact same weird "was this good or bad and yet it felt strangely good" thing after watching this game.
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BeeDogg
11/13/09 11:05 PM
Terrible....West is a poor man carter with his dogging. LOL....Bower...what a joke no is now.
#6
Mark
11/13/09 11:06 PM
tt: I think all of us felt that. It's an odd sensation, I'll tell you.
Hope runs high with these two rookies. No offense to The Almighty 3, but hopefully he'll get some rest to rehab to give them some significant minutes to develop. Oh wait, it's not coach Scott, so they'll get time.
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NOEngineer
11/13/09 11:09 PM
I felt the exact opposite about Mr. West tonight. He didn't even walk fast as he walked up the court, he barely rebounded, and he made zero drives to the basket. Chris Paul had great energy on defense while he was in, but his offensive energy was completely absent until two plays before he got hurt. Peja looked completely lost and out of rhythm. Devin's first half was awful, but he had a few good minutes in the second half.
On the plus side, Marks, Thornton, Collison, and Armstrong played with energy and without any bonehead plays. Thornton gets open and does smart things with that ability. However, if these guys are our best then we will be an average team.
#8
icebird
11/13/09 11:10 PM
Well I've had to wait until the tenth game of the season for this but....
Sean Marks Boxscore Watch!
Fifteen minutes played, One point scored from a free throw, 7 rebounds (including 4 of the team's 9 offensive boards), 4 fouls, a block, an assist and a couple of turnovers. I think if the Hornets got a boxscore like that consistently, they'd be happy. I'm fine with the lack of scoring. There are other people on the team who can contribute there, so as long as he's not missing a lot, but converting high percentage opportunities when he gets them, I'm satisfied.
If I had a concern about the coaching change, it would be Sean's playing time, since Byron Scott is the only coach in his professional career that gave him significant minutes (injuries to other players contributed last season but still..). But based on tonight, he'll probably in the bench rotation until such time he plays himself off it.
Looking at the rest of the team: Go the Rookies! I think tonight demonstrates we need them in there in getting playing time even if they make some mistakes along the way. The Hornets are just a better balanced team when they're contributing.
If Chris Paul's injury keeps him out for any time, it might be a trial by fire for Collison.
#9
Twerp
11/14/09 12:32 AM
Wow. All is strange!!
Especially the majority of positive attitudes and comments following a loss and even after CP3 was hurt!!
I expected to read about all the dome and gloom after a loss.
#10
pinoyballah
11/14/09 01:23 AM
from yahoo it says paul is going to be out 1-2 weeks...im glad that the rookies are getting time to play and marks is back in the rotation...if i dont recall he was one of the only guys comin off the bench in the denver series that actually brought energy and hustle and thats something the team needs right now. if somehow we can stay .500 while paul is out, we should be able to make some noise once paul comes back with more experience rookies and a team that can play some defense.
#11
Taquito
11/14/09 03:05 AM
Great to see the rookies showing what they can do and its great to see that Marks is back! Cp's injury is ugly but it might be a blessing in disguise since Collison is likely to get big minutes.
#12
SaveYourBoredom
11/14/09 03:30 AM
Thornton looked fantastic, he carried the Hornets offensively in the second quarter, and then again in the fourth when they team pulled within single-digits. Collison pitched in with the scoring in the final few minutes, too, but that was mostly because Portland let him. I like both of them; they look poised and assured of what they must do... in short, they are the anti-Julian Wrights. I don't like hearing the LSU music every time Thornton scores, however.
I loved seeing Marks in there tonight, as well. I also like the nice welcome he got from the 670 people in attendance.
One more thing: On the radio, Julian Wright gave a very despondent-sounding soundbite in which he said he needs to discover what his "NBA role" will be. He's not a starter. He's not a scorer. What is he? I think a good ceiling for him would be what Chris Andersen does in Denver: Plays 20 minutes a night off the bench, fires up the crowd, gets some nice blocks and rebounds and dunks, and returns to the bench during crunch time to hoot and holler.
#13
YoungFella
11/14/09 04:33 AM
It's amazing what a little scrappiness and some competent rotations can do. Both the team and the fans seemed peppy tonight. That's a team I can get behind.
Rooks looked great. CP3 was harassed all night and I don't see why more teams don't play him that way - maybe b/c regular season is too long and it's just not worth it to may teams?
I don't like that our starting 4 and 5 can't mesh with each other - their styles of play combined are no good together. As time goes bye I realize just how vital Healthy Tyson was to our team - offensively and defensively. I was one of his bigger advocates and I think that even I understated his importance on our 2007/08 season run.
Get well soon CP3. LOL @ Hilton and Juju. And Peja's shooting. And Byron's rotations.
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Akademik_Hooligan
11/14/09 04:45 AM
I think it's very unfair to compare the JuJu situation with Li'l Buckets & Dimes (Collison - heard that was his nickname).
JuJu plays like he's paralyzed by fear, and a lot of that I'd put down to Byron completely stripping him of his confidence. I've seen numerous crappy games by Posey & Peja over the last year, whilst Mo Pete & Bobby Brown have done the same this season, and they never got the doghouse treatment that JuJu has. If he gets away from N.O he'll be an effective player in the NBA.
#15
spiz83
11/14/09 06:21 AM
i cant remember the last game a rookie (exception to paul) scored 20 in a game with scott in charge
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Niall Doherty
11/14/09 08:50 AM
I was surprised with West in the third quarter. For a guy who spoke out about the poor offensive system the team ran under Byron's guidance, he seemed pretty content to try and create his own shot and settle for jumpers rather than move the ball around. He did seem more active on defense though, I agree with that.
As for JuJu, Mikey made a great point about him after the game, saying that if Wright had the same mentality as Marcus Thornton, he'd be a hell of a player. Thornton seems to have supreme confidence in his abilities, something Julian sorely lacks. Byron could be held somewhat accountable for killing Julian's confidence, but I think the kid has to man up and take a lot of the blame himself. He has all the physical tools; just needs to get his head right.
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SaveYourBoredom
11/14/09 08:58 AM
Niall, I have a theory that Julian just doesn't LOOK like a prototypical basketball player. I'm serious, he's lanky, his face is long, he wears that headband... it's difficult to explain, but Thornton looks like a conventional NBA shooting guard. And with his armband, he looks like he fits in just fine. These things matter. I feel really bad for Wright. He sounded distraught on that radio interview.
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downtowndave78
11/14/09 09:04 AM
I agree with Akademic and SaveYourB about JuJu. I think the man has talent that Scott couldn't develop, and that his coaching contributed to JuJu's basketball collapse (I never understood why a JuJu mistake merited weeks on the bench yet other players' mistakes were not). He can be successful in the right role. I am not sure what that role is, but I remember a highly successful rookie campaign and then an abrupt change in direction. Hopefully the coaching change will will benefit JuJu. I haven't given up.
Another positive (and I am not a Floyd fan)- I also enjoyed seeing the coaching (Floyd) that occurred during the game on the bench. I saw Floyd, numerous times, instructing players after they were subbed for and numerous team huddles throughout the game. I think instruction of the game is more beneficial than a sarcastic smile and folded arms.
#19
Mark
11/14/09 09:23 AM
Devin Brown!
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HollisBuckeye21
11/14/09 10:10 AM
I'm a new user here. I've followed this blog all summer and so far this season. I'm a Hornet fan all the way from Ohio. When I played my first NBA game on Sega (NBA Live 94) I always picked the Hornets for some reason and I became a fan.
Last night's game really left me with a lot of optimism. The injury to CP3 is a tough blow because with him I could see a run coming. However, if we can go .500 without him as someone else mentioned this team will rally back when he returns. Winning without Paul would really bring some confidence to this team and hopefully some consistency would shadow CP3 on this team.
I was watching a stream from a Trail Blazers Comcast station. So annoying to listen to them just complain the whole game. I know these type of stations carry a little bias but this was ridiculous. They took low blows at the Hornets organization. They credited their D for their stops but said Portland was at it's own fault for their mishaps on offense. Very annoying.
Looking forward to the game tonight. Hopefully Collison comes out with a solid game, assuming he'll start. This season is long from over. Excited to see where things go!
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Twerp
11/14/09 10:21 AM
I agree about JuJU he needs the appropriate guidance with concentration on the positive. His downfall from origination in his early days is because he isn't CP. It appears CP with BS were positive in regards to JuJU (another smokescreen). Either you're in or your out and one mistake for JuJU led to a personal attack!! Eg. Mental toughness,fear, all BS terms that were not explicit measurable basketball outcomes!! Verbal downgrading rather than physical instruction, guidance!!
Now look at him during Media interview what does one expect after all the verbal bashing of his skills. He'll be back in better form than ever with confidence w/o the cancer that caused it!!!
#22
Niall Doherty
11/14/09 10:26 AM
Something to keep an eye on: Opponents three-pointers, makes and takes.
The first nine games of the season, the Hornets were getting burned from deep, giving up an average of 21 three-point attempts per game with opponents making 8.1.
Last night, the Blazers shot just 2-of-13 from three, despite averaging 7.3 makes and 19.4 takes in their previous nine games.
It's obviously a very small sample size, but I'd be surprised if Bower and Floyd were not urging the players to make a more conscious effort to close out on opposing shooters. We'll see if that holds up as the games progress.
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berlinhornets
11/14/09 10:47 AM
I dont thin JuJu will be that much of a scoring impact this season or any other in the near future. I also dont think putting him into a starting role after last seasons failed development (increasing minutes from the bench and letting him play through mistakes) was wrong. An increased role as an energy guy of the bench is what he is and will be. With Thornton and Collison out there he could be just that. I would love to see them together more often and let them learn through there mistakes.
Hilton has improved in imo. He appears to be smarter on the court and more assertiev than before. I wouldnt mind seeing him split the time with Marks behind Okafur. ESpecially after Emeka seems to be having a harder time adjusting than expected.
I dont see 50/50 winnig percentage for the next couple of weeks. The schedule doesnt look too promising (except for LAC), but I am still ooking forward to PT for the young ones.
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Ryan Schwan
11/14/09 10:47 AM
I wish I still had the link, but when Byron first came to the Hornets he stated that his defensive philosophy was to pack the paint and let people have outside shots. I've heard that bandied about, and I think it's old school and ignorant of the skilled shooting available at the perimeter in today's basketball.
The Spurs have been a top 5 defense for 10 years. Their philosophy was keep players out of the paint, and off the three point line, and give up as many mid-range jumpers as the other team wants. It's the least efficient shot, and it makes sense.
I'd love to see the three-point line defended well once more.
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berlinhornets
11/14/09 11:07 AM
Would have loved to see that quote. It kinda fits Byron and his old school thinking (seems like he got stuck in his laker years). The Spurs philosophy is great. Havent really thought about it too much, but with guys hitting 40 - 50 percent from deep (see PHX even as a team) it seems to be the most effective way of getting the defense back on track.
#26
corndeaux
11/14/09 11:52 AM
@bigindian- diogu is hurt. he might not play at all this season. no bs.
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downtowndave78
11/14/09 12:52 PM
What do you mean he won't play at all this season? Are you serious or am I missing a joke?
CP3 Injury outlook- This might be positive for us in the long run because this may give the other players time to realize that they are NBA players with talent as well. CP is the star (rightfully so), the leader of the team, and all the attention is on him (rightfully so). I am thinking that now the other players will have to step it up and be the leaders on the court with CP being hurt, and this might create some identity/ initiative/ confidence etc. with other team members. I am not criticizing anyone...just adding a positive spin that makes a little sense.
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cpthunda
11/14/09 12:59 PM
Juju along with the Rooks will be the main benefactors of having a coach like Tim Floyd on the bench. Juju doesn't have an identity and often looks confused as to what he should be doing on the court. He still hasn't made the proper transition from college to the pros. When he came to the Hornets they had a "win now" mentality and he never had an asst. Like Floyd who has experiance coaching young players. This is a new start for Juju, give Floyd a little bit of time with him and Ju can be a very helpful player for the team if nothing else if he can start playing better under Floyd he would be a somewhat valuable trade chip.
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