One step forward, two steps back. Tonight the Hornets took on a sharp and confident Hawks team and didn't lose contact until most of the starters came in a few minutes into the fourth. Then their starters came in, and the Hornets were quickly swamped. There were a few highlights, a lot of lowlights, and some weirdness I can't figure out:
- The loss tonight was on the starters, without any question. They couldn't defend the Hawks to save their lives, falling behind even with Peja absolutely smoking from every angle of the court. Okafor and West gave up easy shot after easy shot on the interior, and Devin Brown defended Joe Johnson as well as the Maginot Line defended France in 1940.
- West's play, in particular, was a major reason this game got away from the Hornets. Usually I can stomach his slow rotations defensively, because offensively he's giving more than he's taking. Tonight - and really, the whole season - that's not been true. I'm completely flummoxed about his problems this season, too. He's not just missing forced shots - tonight he had 4 offensive rebounds that he had uncontested layups to put back in . . . and he blew them. He's done that in multiple games this season. I don't get it. If he'd just put in his open point blank shots, the Hornets would have been up in the fourth. He also refused to step out to meet several passes while in the post, allowing easy steals, and Josh Smith treated him like a traffic cone. Frustrating.
- The second unit played very well. Both times they entered the game, the Hornets made a run behind Bobby Brown's (surprisingly) decent shot selection, Thornton's aggressiveness, and Songaila's deft passing and willingness to battle. Even Posey was working out there tonight, getting out on the break and fighting hard on the boards and defensively.
- Thornton was aggressive and once again showed no fear going to the hole. He did take a couple really bad threes, but in general his energy, willingness to run, and gumption to attack any player at any time makes me happy. 12 points in 18 minutes. As I told Niall after the game, the minute he takes Devin Brown's starting spot, I'll do a jig.
- It's probably not worth a bullet point, but yes, Devin Brown was not good.
- Collison struggled tonight, looking like a rookie. On multiple possessions, he drove towards the paint, couldn't really figure out what to do on the way there, then dribbled around and ended up backing back out or sometimes turning it over. Still, you can see the promise there.
- While Collison may have struggled, co-rookie Jeff Teague of the Hawks, selected a few positions before him in the draft, looked awful. He was completely out of control almost the entire game.
- Okafor had a poor game, much like West, but he was at least working like a dog out there - sprinting the floor at times, and battling on the boards, typically going one on two. The camera caught a look of frustration on his face twice when no one covered him when he was trying to get back on defense after battling on the boards on the other end. Poor communication.
- Sean Marks got 2 minutes, and Hilton Armstrong got 9. Last game I was so happy to see Marks playing over Armstrong, and then things went right back where they were. In related news, the Hornets were killed on the boards in the first half. Marks changes that equation, even with his propensity for lame fouls.
- In the third quarter, after the starters had given up a quick six points resulting in a timeout, the camera shifted to the Hornets bench and caught Jeff Bower glaring at the rafters and Tim Floyd looking pained with his hair already messed up from running his fingers through it . . . I'm guessing in frustration. I'm feeling you, Floyd.
That's it. Next game is Tuesday, at home, versus the Clippers.
Chris Paul's Ankle Injury
The Hornets, as usual, have been very quiet about Paul's injury, and only a few rumors have surfaced intimating he'll be out 1-2 weeks. Really, the whole situation is now that of an unstoppable force striking an immovable object. On one side is Paul and his hatred of sitting out and watching. On the other is the Hornets history of grossly underestimating how long a player will be out. We'll see who wins.
Okafor Trade Rumor
I also wanted to comment on the Emeka Okafor($10.5 Mil salary) for Kenny Thomas ($8.5 Mil salary) rumors that have cropped up. The numbers do match in that situation. The CBA changed in 2005 to allow trades to occur with a difference of 25% between salaries(up from 15%) - so the trade can be made straight up. Kenny Thomas, however, is not a rotation player, and getting him does not improve the team at all for the future, which was the entire point of the Okafor trade in the first place. I could only see the Hornets making this trade if they are completely blowing up the team and have given up on the season already. If that's the case, I'd expect them to wait a little longer first and see if they can turn things around. There's no reason to rush into that sort of trade, and they'll have a better idea if the season is unsalvageable in January or February.
On a personal note, there are a lot of other names I'd rather see in trade rumors right now than Emeka Okafor's.
UPDATE: Video highlights and the NBA TV guys talking about Chris Paul's injury.


34 marvelous comments post your own
QueenBee
11/14/09 11:11 PM
Any streams of the game that were out there totally worked my nerves so I gave up trying to watch. While watching the LSU game, the ticker said the Hornets were down 6 with about 8 minutes left (89-95, Hawks). I thought that was cool that they were in striking distance. Then the next time I saw it it was 89-105, Hawks. Then I saw the final. :( Apparently the Hawks put their feet on the Hornets' throats and didn't let up.
#1
Mark
11/14/09 11:26 PM
While I'm assured we're going to lose a ton of games in the near future, I'm glad to hear of some rotational changes. Yeah, back to Hilton stealing minutes from Marks or whatnot, but if we keep doing different things until something at least clicks a bit, I will be content with the release of coach Scott.
Get back CP. We need you.
www.dogpile.com/ #2
emir
11/15/09 12:40 AM
bobby brown and hilton armstrong for allen iverson :)
lol i know people don't like the guy for not wanting to be a benchwarmer but seriously we could use him
#3
420ftJesus
11/15/09 12:41 AM
Regardless of the particulars, it seems the Hornets will not be destroying other teams, so rather than looking there for my enjoyment, I'm going to try to learn what it is I'm watching when I watch basketball, as to better enjoy to glory when it does arrive.
I used to feel like I couldn't even dissect enought to tell if plays were being run. Now I can see that, but sometimes I'm just flat wrong, which is upsetting to me and I'm sure is irritating to Mikey.
I've been reading up on some basketball basics and the Princeton Offence. All that is nice, but it brings me to my point: is Jeff going to institute some different offense and defense philosophy? If so, what?
It would seem prudent to do so since we really don't seem to have to respect as a 3 point threat.
Or am I just being absurdly foolish (again)?
#4
saZam
11/15/09 02:36 AM
I'm all for us getting allen iverson!!! and he wouldn't have to worry about coming off the bench. Its a win win
#5
Tobi
11/15/09 07:56 AM
I would rather trade West and not Okafor. Okafor is a PF and no center, so bringing in a center would be the right direction. And of course, some small forwards should go in favour of a shooting guard (unequal A.I.). Guys who could be efficient in a fast-paced offense along a (hopefully soon) healthy CP are all over the place. The suns gave up so much (quit good) players in the past without getting any weaker (at least until they changed the pace). Those moves would be just WIN.
#6
Twerp
11/15/09 09:31 AM
What is going on with AI?
What are the contract details?
Would that be another disgrace to this organization?
Would it indeed promote a fast pace game?
How would it effect ticket sales??
Oh WHAT WOULD CP3 THINK??
#7
downtowndave78
11/15/09 10:38 AM
Is Omeka really a PF forward playing the center position?. I thought he had always been a center throughout his career?
The team is in really bad shape right now, so I don't think that Iverson is what the Hornets need at this point to right the ship. "Me, practice?" And the guy quit on his current team 8 games into the season. He couldn't find any takers this off season for a reason!
#8
SaveYourBoredom
11/15/09 11:44 AM
I was thinking about trading Okafor. At the least, if the team doesn't turn it around by, say, January, and he still hasn't integrated into the "system", then there's really no reason to dump him for a Wilcox/Smith-type trade. And with the expiring salaries the Hornets can sign... Tyson Chandler!
I'm about 65% kidding. I'm not entirely sure about Chandler's contract situation, but I thought he was going to become a restricted free agent after this season, and he's going to have such a bad year I don't know who's going to want to go after him with a nice deal. But if Jeff Bower gets fired after this season, and the Hornets can offer him a deal in hopes of returning to 2008 form, why not try it?
If not, trade Okafor for two solid rotation players, like the deal Washington did to get Foye and Miller. Something like that. And then in 2010 they'll have Peja and Peterson expiring, and then we'll have a bevy of options.
This team seems to play better with Marks/Armstrong at center. I'm serious. I've watched every game except the Hawks game, and, though I probably can't back it up with statistics, the team doesn't LOOK like it plays well with Okafor. Especially West. Dump him.
#9
SaveYourBoredom
11/15/09 11:45 AM
Also, could they dump Posey for an expiring contract? A team like Cleveland would probably want him.
#10
CP3 4 MVP!
11/15/09 12:12 PM
Anyone have any thoughts on trying out one of these lineups while cp3 is out and we need to get creative.
C: Armstrong/Marks Pf: Okafor Sf: West Sg: Thornton Pg: Brown
Work inside out with okafor and hope with three power forwards we can actually get a board. Teams have to respect D. Wests 20 footer, and you send thornton to the corner and brown at the top of the key for if the D crunches in.
Okafor at Center with second unit. He's so athletic id love to see the team literally play "don't ever stop running" offense for 10-12 minutes each game - Something like this:
C: Okafor Pf: Wright Sf: Thornton Sg: Brown Pg: Collison
Severely undersized lineup, but who could keep up with it? We don't rebound anyways, so you bring in all the energy in the world and take off. It would be a complete change of pace from our normal offense. I hope Bower and Floyd read these blogs and take notes, because the ideas thrown around here might actually work in some senses. 2 points on these lineups:
Okafor is losing value on the defensive end because D west can't cover the strong wide for okafors weak side blocks and when okafor is guarding the ball, he either can't gamble because of the lack of help or gambles and loses. So, I'd like to see him tried with marks (or armstrong) to see if that could seriously solidify our interior D for spot times.
#11
CP3 4 MVP!
11/15/09 12:20 PM
Julian Wright should seriously sit down with James posey and ask him how to be like he was from 2000-2005. (Minus the 3 ball, or maybe in a few years with it). However, 2 reasons I think Julian should be used as a spot 4 when theres and undersized or "finesse" Pf in the unit. (Even when west is in the game, i could see him sliding to guard a slow or 3 point shooting Sf..... think West on grant hill and Wright on Channing frye).
1.) Julians one really strong "basketball" strength is his ability to rebound. His athleticism, energy, and proximity to the basket would enhance these figures to 7 to 8 a game when if he played 6-8 minutes of PF along with his usual 6 minutes of Sf.
2.) Julian struggles on D against good ball handlers with good first steps (Paul Pierce, although most defenders de struggle against him). So he can he used on the
thaddeus young, andrea bargnani, scola, beasley type pseudo PF's and then also on the sf's with a slow first step and/or the team's primary spot up shooter. he has the speed and length to be able to help in the paint and the hustle to close out on the shooter.
Thoughts?
#12
CP3 4 MVP!
11/15/09 12:31 PM
With regards to the roster, i think the team has two directions it can go into that could lead them to the ultimate goal (at this point in my life as a hornets fan at least) to re-sign chris paul after his contract expires.
1.) win now. My personal opinion is that it can be done with a few weeks, a few small moves, and maybe a few more bucks out of Shinns pocket. the first one is a must, the others are possibilities.
a. Don't dump okafor. He's a top 5 center in the west. he's still learning his teammates and the offense and he's been the second most consistent player on our team.
b. Start marcus thornton, play collison as the sixth man, making out second unit Paul, Collison, Thornton, west, Marks/ okafor without fouls. and hope the rookies realize their talent before the ship sinks. (Aaron brooks anyone?)
C. (Stolen from above). Trade any one/two of: Stojakovic, Posey, Brown, Songalia, Armstong, or Peterson for Allen Iverson and whatever throw ins are necessary to make the cap work. I'm sorry but happy and healthy there would be few more dangerous starting lineups out there than Paul, Iverson, Stoj or filler, West, Okafor.
#13
CP3 4 MVP!
11/15/09 12:38 PM
The posey thing is a good point. Shaq would be a big advocate of JP because of the role Posey play in Shaq's 4th ship. Any team at the trade deadline who loses a rotation wing could have interest (which is why i think posey is still getting minutes and touches, he's being showcased do to his reputation and relationships with ship contenders).
What's the deal with Diagu?????? Last I heard "Okafor and Diagu are both questionable but Okafor has a better shot to play in the opener." His potential sucess would bring me to me other point:
Trade David west for an adequate sg and a rotational big (please not an undersized one) and hope Diagu realizes his potential as a 15-20 point scorer. I love david west, but its not unreasonable to think that Diagu could produce what D west has thus far in the season.
#14
Tony
11/15/09 01:33 PM
Trading for Allen iverson would be the type of trade thats gotten this team into trouble in the first place, even if he is on a one year deal. I thought he might me salvageable in Memphis but this latest episode just makes me think that hes not worth it anymore. Anyway, the Hornets don't need anymore over the hill, past their prime, sub par defenders anymore, those are all short term "solutions". They need to get some young promising talent on the rise, not a continual attitude problem on the level of AI or Stephen "Anyone can score 20 points if they take 40 shots a game/I instigated and punched like 4 people at the Palace/will shoot my trade value in the face if I'm not happy" Jackson.
I mentioned this before, but seeing as how Sacramento's on such a roll with Tyreke Evans I think some version of a D West for Kevin Martin trade would work for both franchises, although I don't think Kevin Martin will get traded this season.
#15
CP3 4 MVP!
11/15/09 01:53 PM
(Last post for a while I promise). Anyways: option number two:
Win later: This involves a lot of things that I am absolutely not in favor of, but has a shot.
Direction 1 - Keep core and get rid of everyone else but the rookies.
We won't even come close to making the playoffs, but you start Peterson and Stojakovic and give them all 20-25 minutes a game and hope that they find some type of efficiency to bid them off at the all star break/ next summer. If we can find a way to break all three of those guys off the roster while maintaining the core (I wouldnt be opposed to throwing in one of the rookies/wright to do so). It would clear up enough cap space to pick up 4-5 solid players that slip through the cracks in the star studded 2010 summer.
Direction 2 - Dump okafor and either trade west along with stoj/peterson/posey for a max contract guy or lose two of those four salaries: Hand pick a max contract to play with Chris paul (amare or Bosh IMO) and sign a near-max guy like a joe johnson or josh howard.
Direction 3: wait out this season without losing core pieces. use the damn near two years we have to fine buyers for Posey, the only really important dump on our roster, because if this plays out right, considering everyone is gonna drop their cap on 3yrs or more contracts in 2010, this will happen.
After this season:
Bye Bye to Hilton's 4mil
Bye Bye to Devin Brown (nothing to do with the cap, just a good thing).
A FAT, 15mil expiring contract of Peja's
Another valuable 6mil expiring Mo Pete expiring (maybe more valuable because he'll probably be down to be bought out).
either 4 mil off the books or a 4 mil expiring contract, depending on songalia's PO.
Assuming we can get rid of posey for an exp. another 6 mil of next years payroll
10-14 mil trimmed (if its 14 thats more than Cp's 2009-2010 salary)
another 21-25 mil in expiring contracts.
And for the summer of 2011:
Without Posey, the only contracts we will have on the books is:
12.5 mil okafor contract.
16 mil Cp3 contract
odds are he'll opt out of the top-loaded contract, but a PO 7 mil of D wests.
Team option of 1.5 mil for collison.
Any idea what we could do with
Cp(in prime), Okafor(in prime), West(maybe), collison, a cheap marcus thornton(assuming), and over 30 million in free cap space.
The point is: our problems are severe but temporary. Thus, we can either use the EXP's next season to trade for some real players, using Peja's for a major player and the rest for role players. Or you wait it out until the summer before cp's last guaranteed season (kind of similar to the lakers and kobe). Give the young 3, along with diagu whenever he decides to play a ton of playing time, listen to Cp3 yell and scream, hire an expensive coach and a GM who can assemble a hell of a team, and you take one shot at it all. You show Cp3 you want to win, you give him a supporting cast. At this point (cause i have no hope for either of their careers), you please Cp3 by bringing in his old friends Rasual butler and Tyson chandler as role players.
Final though: There's a reason why posey is and will continue to play big minutes this season. Bower is smarter than everyone assumes and understands that his is the only contract that could drag into the seasons that really matter.
No one seems to realize that we have a max contract in the form of Peja thats going to turn into EXP next year and disappear in two. 3 headed monster? What could 15 mil worth of talent do to CP, EO, and DW?
if this is what were going to do, i wouldn't necesarily be opposed to dumping Okafor. He is a top 5 center in the west and will be in his prime during the years we need him to be good, but his contract goes up a mil every year and we could probably get better value from a guy like Bynum or Alderage at a similar price. Also, does anyone else think we could probably get silimar production out of Kendrick Perkins (2010-2011 UFA) for a third of the price?
If we dump okafor and find a way to lose posey, we can take a stab at a Bosh/Bron type next season, explaining to them that although the team looks like garbage now, we are going to lose 30 mil in cap after that season and we have the best pg in the world (who is best friends with everyone) let whoever it is and cp3 decide who they want to play with to win a championship. done. saucy. Obviously theres like a .0000000000005 chance of that happening, but it would work if you could talk a max player into backloading their contract for one year.
The point is: the odds of cp3 leaving NO are a lot worse than everyone thinks. this team isn't doomed forever, just tied down by a couple bad contracts for the next two years. Breathe... don't reach for the rope every time you hear CP barking about us losing, and start making a list of players we could get with Peja's 15 mil Exp next season!!! My personal favorites are andrew bynum, lamarcus alderage, kevin Durant, and Tayshaun Prince.
Here's to 2011, one way or another.
#16
berlinhornets
11/15/09 03:18 PM
@cp3 4 mvp keep the posts coming. they are good and thought provoking. I just checked the salary situation of the team over at hoopsworld.com and I gotta say there is a lot of salary oming of the books. this and probably next season will be slim pickings, but after that.... the fo has to be reasonable though and not overreact, which they sometimes like to do.
here is another proposal, which is way out there but might help even short term. what about shaq from cleveland for either okafur/peja or dwest/peja (or posey and some throwins). shaq and cleveland doesnt really work and they have to win now and have to show LBJ that they have a team he could compete with over the next seasons too. that wont be able possible with shaq. the hornets get off the hook for a lot of money after this season and would have somebody people would pay to see.
#17
gregzheng1994
11/15/09 06:15 PM
CP3 4 MVP!: Wow I pretty much already gave up on the Hornets. But the situations in the future you just listed makes me feel like we can actually do something in the next 1-2 years...
#18
nikkoewan
11/16/09 08:26 AM
first and foremost, i think okafor is a PF. Trade D. West. Use the Spurs Mantra. Create a core around Cp3 which will last for a very long time. Personally, I would like it to be a BIG big( meaning either a 6'11 wide bodied, banging PF or a 7 feet C) and a BIG, Athletic SF. I was actually hoping the Hornets would stick with Chandler. but since the trade rescindment, I knew that there was no more chance. I'll be making a post about the direction the NO team can go. I know in my heart that CP3 is going no where unless Shinn decides to hate on a generational talent..
#19
byronscott4
11/16/09 10:38 AM
The problem as I see it is that there are several assumptions that need to take place for the future to be bright. In the short term, we need to find a willing trade partner. In the long term if we don't do a trade, we have to assume that Shinn will spend money on a quality player. Will that happen? If they scrap the team too much, does CP3 bolt? Imagine them clearing cap space and not landing anyone decent--where's the benefit? There will be other teams with cap space out there like Miami that will be much more desirable. I think the history of Shinn is going to hurt the team signing a decent player.
#20
Ryan Schwan
11/16/09 12:59 PM
There is no reason to assume Shinn won't spend money. I've said this many, many times:
Shinn has never been a cheap owner. He's always kept his salary in the top 20 in the league, minus the expansion years when he wasn't allowed to, and the year he blew everything up and we got CP.
I am absolutely against blowing everything up though. It's easy to dismantle a team. It's nearly impossible to attract good free agents, though, after doing so. Why go to a team with no structure in place? It's the problem New York and New Jersey are facing. Yeah, they have cap room. Yeah, they are a great city. No, there's no chance you can win anytime soon if you go there.
I'd rather see a few minor moves this year, and then use the expiring contracts next year to get some better pieces in. Those contracts will be extremely valuable come February, when people realize the free agents they got in the big free agent bonanza that happens this summer aren't really first options. Then they'll be willing to move them, and we'll have some solid second bananas to go with Paul.
www.hornets247.com #21
dchoops
11/16/09 01:42 PM
I think if the team gets blown up and they don't bring in anymore good pieces then CP3 might bolt New Orleans. Blowing up a team is never really a good option and for this team I don't think it makes any sense at all.
#22
saltandcarbon
11/16/09 07:48 PM
I firmly believe Mek is part of the solution, not the problem. You have to overpay to get a quality big man to a small market team in this league. Comparing his salary to CP's is totally unproductive. And regardless of what he gets paid, he is a quality player and a quality character and he is being completely under-utilised in the system that is in place. In a good system he can be an 18/12 guy playing strong post defence.
We might not see that good system this year, but replacing Okafor with a middling C is not the answer. If he can't perform in a system where defensive rotations are understood and he gets space and plays to run in the post, then we can think about tossing him.
#23
StefanC
11/16/09 11:22 PM
Blah. Blah. Blah. One bad start, and we're discussing trading CP3!? Oh please.
This is a VERY long season, and we're only 3.5 games out of a playoff spot. Stop pointing fingers and just believe. Show some damn Passion. Purpose. Pride!
#24
420ftJesus
11/17/09 12:46 AM
StefanC gets a cookie.
I'm all for thinking outloud some empty-likes me can learn, but let's
take a casual look at the data and see that things aren't so bad. We've lost to some good teams, and in my mind have played a hard schedule. Plus we're cramming alot of change into 11 games: coaches, players, injuries, and those freaky Dow red light things at the opening of the game.
We're seeing some very interesting, and possibly very important stuff unfold before our eyes. We're lucky to have such an interesting 3-8 team that we're riled up about because we 'know' that 8-3 was close, even if it wasn't. Lots of practice as Saints fans I guess....
I'll be there tomorrow, today, whatever... I'll be yelling for the good guys against the Clippers...
#25
Jimbobaggins
11/17/09 04:26 AM
Hey hornets world, Changes had to come to put a rocket up the palyers a$$ and like most sports the first on the block is the coach. Hopefully this get the players to pull up there socks in the short term but rarely provides along term solution. The hornets look short of one good scorer, and maybe AI is the answer, and they look low on energy on court. Which brings me to my main query on why isnt Sean Marks getting court time, now a may be a little bias been a kiwi but remember Hubie Brown calling a hornets game last season and raving about how important a good club house guy like Marks is and that sean did everything right and the energy he brings off the bench is a lift for the guys on court, something that always isnt shown in the stat line but is clear to see. One thing New Zealanders are famous for is giving 100% percent all the time never giving up, guess its part of a little country that is under sized but fights above its weight. Marks busts his guts when he gets a chance and hustles hard every play. Not seeing much of hornets ball this year was pleased to see him get a run where he pulled down 7 boards in limited minutes, his production is always way better than Armstrong but doesnt get the nod, I wonder why any ideas people. Am I totally wrong or shouldnt marks be getting minutes cause to me it seems the Hornets need to get boards and thats workman like mentality is what is needed its the base of most great teams, do the basics first and do them right. Perhaps we can get a fan club going with fans wearing black hard hats(new zealands national colour) with a white kiwi bird (the national bird)on them to push for some "more minutes for marks". One thing for sure is with out some team character the Hornets aint going nowhere no matter how good CP3 plays.
#26
CP3 4 MVP!
11/17/09 08:07 AM
For everyone who just yelled at me in the last few posts. Notice I clearly stated that I was not in favor of tearing the team apart (However, I feel that posey needs to go even no matter what). My only point was, as usual, we hit a bad patch and all of the analysts start their nonsense (I'm looking at you yahoo).
For all of us still here who believe we can make the playoffs this season, the solution just presented itself. If the Shinns and Bower believe the bull$h!! they spill out, their starting point guard is going to be available on waivers in a few days, for a good price. If he's not in a hornets uniform than nothing makes sense, because it is the absolute perfect fit for both parties.
I may be alone here, but I'm not overly disappointed for what AI did. Quitting on your team is NEVER cool, but I don't blame AI for not wanting to sit on the bench and watch Mike Conley go 1-8 and the Grizzlies lose. I don't know what other team would start him and in our (supposedly) high character locker room, AI should be kept in line. But that shouldn't be necessary. Everything AI does is for a reason, the guy wants to start and play a lot of minutes and win. Those three things should be damn near automatic given his credentials. But right now we have devin brown. GET OFF YOUR @$$ JEFF BOWER.
#27
BeeDogg
11/17/09 01:22 PM
I feel like i wasted the last few years with this team...i invested so much time and money thinking we were gonna make our run.....evidently we already did. It all started with letting pargo split.... reason money.
Then Tyson.....Money. Bring in AI.....lol right. That would be the kiss of death on a team that has some bad apples already! I hope they do it just for comedy sakes!!!! I go every year to heat hornets with my die hard Miami fan son.....(6years) Now they let go of my favorite all time player/coach and then cp3 my current favorite goes down!! I am openly now rooting for this team to lose and for cp3 to come to the lakers with byron. West will make it happen .
Kobe and CP3 to battle bron and wade in miami
#28
LSUhornet17
11/17/09 01:32 PM
As this is a Hornets site, not a Byron Scott or even CP3 site, maybe your time would be better spent bashing the team on some other site. Better yet you could start your own Byron Scott fan site, I'm sure that will get a ton of traffic. Good luck finding your next bandwagon.
#29
Niall Doherty
11/17/09 01:48 PM
Byron Scott already has a fan site:
http://www.firebyronscott.com/
Oh no, wait...
www.ndoherty.com #30
LSUhornet17
11/17/09 01:56 PM
Just checked out the PER rankings for rookies over at ESPN. Marcus is #5 (18.74), while Collison is #7 (16.98). Certainly a small sample size, but impressive nonetheless. Hornets are the only team with two players in the top 10.
#31
LSUhornet17
11/17/09 01:59 PM
Thornton actually checks in at #13 for all SGs. He's sandwiched in between two players I like to compare him to, Eric Gordon and Jason Terry.
#32
BeeDogg
11/17/09 02:33 PM
Touche LSU.....But the hornets were Byron Scott and CP3 last time I checked. I am so disgusted with the front office....and you shall see that this is what led to the chicken flying the coupe.
Boweresucks.com,
wishingwestwouldwork.com,
PleasePlayPosey.com,
JuJucan'tdrive.com,
peja'spatheticperformance.com,
Brownandbrownfromwaydowntown.com
Mosleep.com, and
onenightatthehiltononly.com are all being worked on right now.....I will try and work on Byron's later.
#33
Shea
11/23/09 02:55 PM
Trade D West to the Pistons - WE NEED HIM.
Detroit could send you Tayshaun and Kwame, or even Rip and Kwame but Rip's contract is more expensive. THat way you get your 7'0 banging center (with an expiring contract) and a consistent SG or a two-way SF. Detroit finally gets a scoring center to pair with Wallace and we're all happy.
Thoughts..?
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