It was an ugly game, that's for sure. 39% shooting for the Hornets vs. 52% for the Heat. A nine free-throw disadvantage. Okafor struggling all game with foul trouble. Despite that, the Hornets were right in there at the end as fought hard, dragging down 11 offensive rebounds to the Heat's 4, forced five more turnovers, and continued to pour it in from downtown as Posey joined Thornton and Stojakovic in knocking down deep shots at a high rate.
Also important was the way the guys fought back, having fallen behind by more than ten on two seperate occasions before the fourth. That they were willing to battle and had a chance at a game winning shot says a lot about the differences between this team under Bower, and this team under Scott.
In related news, the Hornet's rookies, who combined for 85 minutes in nine games under Byron Scott, entered tonight's game 2nd and 4th amongst rookies in PER. Amongst the entire NBA, they ranked 17th(Thornton) and 42nd. (Collison) The next sportswriter who blames Scott's firing on financial woes needs to suffer a quick kick in the rear.
Observations from the game:
- Tonight the Hornets were bitten by what I call the "Bryant Rule". It's when the "man" on the team decides they must win the game single-handedly. I hate everything about it, since an offense's primary advantage is that the other team doesn't know where a shot will come from. When a team clears out for a single teammate, or the teammate breaks the play like West did tonight, that advantage becomes much more limited. Tonight, not only did West succumb to the "Bryant Rule", he also committed another cardinal sin: The Hornets were down 1, and instead of making a move when he got it with 12 seconds to go, he dribbled around, wasted clock, and then took the shot. If the game is tied, that's the correct play, but the Hornets were down, and they needed to go right away and try to score. If they hit, the onus went back to the Heat to manufacture a shot. At worst, the Hornets miss, they foul, the Heat got two free throws and then the Hornets get another chance to win or send it to overtime. Instead, time was wasted, a poor shot went up, and it was over. Compound error.
- Like last game, West was most effective offensively when he got the ball late in the game, forced a double team, and then kicked the ball out to find the open man. Unfortunately, his passing was off tonight - and the pinpoint passes he'd delivered the past few games kept ending up in the crowd. He did work hard on the glass, and moved his feet well enough defensively. The Hornets do need his shot to re-materialize, though.
- I was a little surprised at how little Bower used his centers, Marks and Okafor through the game. Yes, they (particularly Okafor) battled foul trouble, but they were both cleaning the offensive glass nicely, and despite Songaila's strong play, I would have liked to have seen them get a few more than 24 minutes between them.
- Collison struggled at times guarding Chalmers. He kept getting rubbed off on picks and ended up trailing the play, unable to get back in because of Chalmers greater strength. Still, he did a good job against Wade when matched up against him, and in general had a solid game. 3-12 shooting, 11 points, 5 rebounds, 6 assists and a lone turnover.
- Devin Brown couldn't stay in front of Dwayne Wade to save his life. Wade also recognized this and drove right at him as soon as he was covering him, resulting in two and-ones and three dunks. Bower had a short leash for Brown as a result, and Marcus Thornton played 38 minutes, while scoring 24 points on 9-19 shooting. Thornton did miss a free throw at the end, but I'm not about to complain about his output.
- When Paul comes back, the guard rotation should be set at this point. Paul, Collison and Thornton should rotate through the two primary guard spots, with Devin Brown getting spot duty if having two small guards out there is killing us.
- There was Julian Wright cameo in the third. Unfortunately, on the first play he was in, he left Beasley alone on the three-point line to deliver a soft double to Jermaine O'Neal. Since he didn't go hard, O'Neal had an open passing lane to Beasley, who caught it and drilled a three before Wright could recover. He's got to figure out that help defense thing.
Next game is Wednesday when Milwaukee comes a visiting.
Highlight Reel:
UPDATE: Check Mr. Kennedy's post-game Journal report.


40 exceptional comments post your own
LSUhornet
11/22/09 11:06 PM
Small sample size, but it appears Bower likes him some small ball.
Can't complain about this one too much. 2-3 in that stretch is great. Would've been better if it wasn't the second time this weekend that one of my teams choked in the final seconds though. Oh well, gonna try to make it to the game Wednesday. Hopefully Dimes can keep up with this Jennings kid we've been hearing about, and Buckets can get another career high. Looking forward to it.
#1
Taquito
11/22/09 11:34 PM
This game was definitely winnable, what the hell was Dwest thinking in that last play? giant face-palm
#2
LSUhornet
11/22/09 11:47 PM
That defensive slip-up by Juju was bad, but I don't think he hurt us too bad in his limited minutes. That was the only head-scratcher I remember. I kept thinking he would've bothered Wade a lot worse than Devin did. Also, Beasley's game looks way better in the box score than I remember him playing. I still think they're better off with Haslem out there, though.
#3
TopherPrice
11/23/09 12:46 AM
I love the concept of the ball in D-wests hands for the final shot of the game, just not the way it happened. He is the worst drive and shoot guy because he is always looking for the foul... "AND 1!!!!!!"... instead of just ensuring the layup is made. I would rather have someone else set up a clear out for his silky jumper.
Problem is he was rattled all day and you saw that in his brain lock at the end of the game. I will give him that he wasn't as lazy as normal. He did some great work defensively late. I am curious what the team production numbers in the first 3 quarters of the past 4 games are when David is off the court versus on the court. I find myself praying for him to get his second foul in the first to get Songilia out there for a change of defensive energy. Then that foul comes and the Hornets catch back up from the early deficits they have been facing.
You can't blame the loss on David entirely, but for a guy who claims he is the leader on the court with CP3 down he led that ship right into the rocks. Ryan you said it best, the "Bryant rule," enacted by a guy who can't hold Kobe's jock. That final play brain lock can be fixed with more practice as the guys get more comfortable with working the new offense. Maybe next time he will be willing to let the other guys help set up a final shot instead of thinking he is that much better of an option by himself than the other 4 guys on the court who each have more points than him at that moment. And he is the one who made the "Ego" comment about Byron Scott. UGHHHHH. Get your act together David, and I want an apology! LOL
All in all the guys held their own with the considerable help of Thorton. It was nice to see even on a early game back to back the guys kept the hustle stats of steals, rebounds, and blocks at pace with the Heat. I am still quite optimistic about what we are working with now in NOLA. I can't wait to see how they come out for the Bucks a potential trap game.
On another note, we need to give CST a better nickname for Marcus than "The Microwave" before they think it has stuck. That name makes me feel like I am calling some player drafted in 2009 "The Touch Tone Phone," because he can dial it up from anywhere. Yeah we get the joke, but that is a kind of dated reference. I like 'Lil Buckets but I can't see them using that as no-one wants to be called 'Lil except Wayne and even he is going with Young Moula now. hehe
#4
ticktock6
11/23/09 12:49 AM
Well, I'm going to call him Lil Buckets forever.
... Until he's no longer a rookie. Then he can graduate to just Buckets.
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ticktock6
11/23/09 12:50 AM
But Gil and Bob do come up with some of the worst nicknames in history. Luckily, I don't believe people really listen to Gil and Bob.
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Jib
11/23/09 01:01 AM
treja stojakoswish.... that is all
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TopherPrice
11/23/09 01:25 AM
LOL, I know but "treja" without the crazy double pun last name is not that horrible for a white guy who really just shoots the three now.
"The Blur" annoys me as well.
#8
corndeaux
11/23/09 04:36 AM
bottom line: west the co-captain. he's been playing with passion and he wanted to lead his team to victory. can't fault him for tht. no problem with him taking the ball for the shot. now his shot selection is a different matter.
i find it funny people are getting tired of west this year b/c he's scoring less. i thought he was much more of a liability last year and even thought they should have traded him then. he is busting his ass on the court right now and is much more of a complete a player than he's been in a while.
@ryan- you ready to believe on diogu? barring a minor miracle, he isn't playing for a while. not going to use message board cliches on sources, but this is legit. just don't say i didn't tell you.
#9
berlinhornets
11/23/09 06:11 AM
I think dwest taking the last shot wasnt right. in particular since right it seems its not his team right now. lil buckts and dimes are the faces now. something should have been set up for them. I hope this second unit gets ample of plaxying time once cp3 returns
#10
Niall Doherty
11/23/09 06:38 AM
Update on Diogu from the Times-Picayune:
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DIOGU STILL OUT: After a medical evaluation on his strained left knee, New Orleans forward Ike Diogu will sit out another two weeks to rest the injury.
"Unfortunately, we have to give it more time," Diogu said of the strain that occurred during an offseason weightlifting session. "They'll try me in another two weeks. It's total rest. That's the best thing for my body right now, just resting, and see if that works.
"The ligaments and everything are good, so it's just a matter of just resting it. There's no swelling. There's some pain in there. We just want to try and settle everything down. That's the main thing."
Diogu, who signed as a free agent this summer, said he is frustrated by the inactivity. He has been sidelined since the beginning of training camp.
"I looked at this for me as a big year and a big opportunity," Diogu said. "It's tough, but it's one of those things where it's out of your control."
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Ryan Schwan
11/23/09 08:28 AM
I do want to clear something up - I have absolutely no problem with David West taking the final shot - even one where he's trying to create it himself. But I'd rather the team run a play that at least gets the defense scrambling before he goes - and it needed to be a quick-hitting one.
Corndeaux, you may indeed be right, but there has been nothing out of Diogu's mouth or the Hornets that indicates he won't play at all this season.
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ticktock6
11/23/09 09:00 AM
West has hit so many game-winners you really can't begrudge him. I just wish there had been more movement. Some of those evenly-spaced wing guys should have cut right inside, or West should've passed out and then rolled to the basket. Something. They all just looked like they were standing there waiting, nothing materialized, so DWest shot.
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stormsurge
11/23/09 09:23 AM
Anyone but me think we got abused by the refs this game?
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TopherPrice
11/23/09 09:30 AM
It really looked to me like David had brain lock. It looked like they had something drawn up to go a certain way, and when it didn't got according to the plan and the ball was in his hands he froze and that threw the rest of the guys off. Then he just kind of had a bout of epilepsy with the ball and then threw up a floater. A floater!?! Have you ever seen David throw up a floater? He has so many shots in his arsenal, but not a floater. It almost looked like he wanted to give himself an offensive rebound stick back as the final shot. That is not his game, that is why I just think he froze up for some reason. I watched the replay of the game just to see that "play" again, and he just looked so out of his element.
Just to be clear, I don't hate David and I don't think he is the only problem we had in the game. I am just discussing the final play. I think he is a really good player who would be great if he played better defense that did not require everyone to help D him and he was more consistent with his effort. He gets mucho kudos from me for the way he has been playing in the second half of games, but he just seems like he has got the yipps from the stress of taking on the mantle of "leader".
My dream would be to see us pick up Bosh and have a three headed forward monster with Him, Okie, and Bosh. I see David playing the role of Lamar Odom. Not liking coming off the bench but not able to argue with the success the team would have with that dominant of a frontcourt. Ahh fantasy...
#15
TopherPrice
11/23/09 09:35 AM
@Stormsurge: You know I never really believed in the whole, "if your a rookie you don't get calls," concept until that game. If CP3 had done the exact same drives to the basket that Buckets did he would have LIVED at the line. It is like the NBA front office version of rookie hazing!
#16
corndeaux
11/23/09 09:48 AM
re Diogu: Ryan, I can lead a horse to water but I can't make you drink. Why would the Hornets come out and say they bought damaged goods?
I am not making this up, but have been told by a ranking member of the Hornets front office. This is the last time I will bother sharing information. Just remember I told you. Peace.
#17
byronscott4
11/23/09 10:14 AM
The rookies look to be the real deal especially Thornton. I'm interested in seeing how Collison does when he comes off the bench with more limited numbers. Of course, being rookies there's always "the wall" later in the season but that appears to be something that Thornton will have to deal with more likely as he'll probably get more minutes.
#18
stormsurge
11/23/09 10:16 AM
@corndeaux, why the issue? Neither Ryan and Niall have said youre wrong, just that they cant confirm it.
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Mikey
11/23/09 10:21 AM
My only problem with West having the ball in his hands during an end-of-game scenario is that most of his game-winning shots are assisted. He is not known to creating a shot off the dribble. I don't have a problem with him taking the shot, but he doesn't need the ball in his hands for the last 12 seconds.
This is something I think Bower can learn from. Trust your ball-handlers and run a play. I'm loving the way the Hornets playing right now; they just have to learn how to win games on the road. It will come in time.
Anyone else already salivating about Wednesday night's game already? I know I am.
#20
420ftJesus
11/23/09 10:45 AM
I like rumors as much as the next guy, but the only thing that matters is what happens. It's not always fun to wait, I agree. Rumors aside, I hope Ike plays sooner rather than later, as we don't know how much he can help, and I'd like to know.
#21
mW
11/23/09 11:31 AM
Ryan, have to disagree on last shot philosophy. It drives me nuts when a team takes the "last shot" only to give the other team time to score and win. I like that David waited until the end. It sounded in post-game interviews that Heat broke the set play we were trying to run, so David just kept it. And the replay absolutely showed O'Neal hitting his arm on the follow up tip. Everyone loved the JSmooth dunk the other night to beat the Rockets; if he had been fouled instead, and missed, would they have whistled it?
www.hornetshype.com #22
Jib
11/23/09 12:29 PM
The way I look at final shots, it should go to the hottest guy: Thornton, Peja, or Posey (well he was at least hitting that night)
If the set for them does not work collison should have gotten it and ran the pick and roll much like paul would.
Not to mention, that shot by Haslem was unfortunately very lucky for us, that was a great defensive possession.
#23
NOH_Domination
11/23/09 01:43 PM
I'd rather have West's last shot over Haslem's. What a garbage shot...
#24
Jib
11/23/09 01:51 PM
exuse me, haslem's shot was lucky for him, not us:P
#25
QueenBee
11/23/09 02:33 PM
@stormsurge, yes, about the refs. It was cool seeing Bower get that tech. We all know Byron would've stood there with arms folded but Bower got in that ref's *** for a second. LOL!
#26
QueenBee
11/23/09 02:35 PM
West probably would've did better by just taking the jumpshot. All that hesitating, stuttering and iffing killed it.
#27
icebird
11/23/09 04:09 PM
Sean Marks Boxscore Watch!
10 minutes, 6 rebounds (3 offensive), 1 for 1 shooting, 1 foul. Nice little ten minute cameo. I'm curious as to whether he was still bothered by that niggling injury thats been keeping him out of the line-up - it might explain why Bower used him in the first half but not the second.
For a game where the Hornets trailed by 5 to 10 points for most of the duration, the fightback was commendable but I think the team will look back on it as one that got away.
The most encouraging thing about the last few games is that the offence seems to have more dimensions to it than last year. If Peja can keep on target, it looks very promising for when Paul gets back, David West finds his radar, and Okafor discovers his scoring mojo in the Bower offence.
#28
Ryan Schwan
11/23/09 04:38 PM
Last I heard, icebird, Sean Marks was still struggling with the injury and taking cortisone shots so he can play.
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urgmasdaughter
11/23/09 04:47 PM
I'm gonna say it...now that it has been a couple of games & the rooks have had a chance to get some playing time, Scotts old school attitude toward rookies harmed us early. They have proved they can hang with the big boys and they couldve made a big difference early on in the season. Whatever Scotts excuses were about Lil Buckets having a lot to learn and how Lil Dimes isnt quite "there yet" was BS, straight up. Now I know you never know what couldve happened but it seems like every time I see the box score they both put up 20. What they have that nobody else had was the energy to compete and now that they're rollin' it feels bittersweet every time I'm singing the "LSU Fight Song"
#30
MoPeteCP3
11/23/09 04:47 PM
posey laughed at dwest's anger. i think david did have a brain freeze but i dont blame him for the loss.
#31
TopherPrice
11/23/09 05:23 PM
@urgmasdaug: you are so right. I mean the fact that Marcus is the #10 rated scored per 48 minutes right behind CP3 at #9 for any player with at least 10 games played, it screams that Byron is a bit out of his box. But then again, you put Marcus in Byron's offense and maybe he would suck like the rest of the team did during the first games. LOL
#32
Mark
11/23/09 10:55 PM
Quick question for the guys in NOLA: I'm cheap and don't want to spend alot of money, so do the local discount stores like Ross, Marshall's, and TJ Maxx usually have a bunch of surplus Hornets gear (shirts and the like) available?
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420ftJesus
11/23/09 11:06 PM
They usually have a 40% off deal on a single item at the hornets nest in the arena. Maybe if you call the nest or the team, they'll tell you in advance and you can plan around that if it's to your liking.
#34
BeesGivingEffort
11/24/09 01:31 AM
OK, this may be a ridiculous question but I'll ask it anyways. Assuming Collison and Thornton can keep playing anywhere near the level they are playing right now, does the threat of CP3 scare the heck out of you a little less? Don't get me wrong. I hate hearing about CP3 leaving and he's tied for my favorite basketball player of all time with Scottie Pippen. I'm not gonna lie, I thought basketball would die in this city if he left, but now I'm starting to wonder if we could actually withstand it again. Again, stupid question, but for the first time I'm not scared poopless about the prospect.
#35
Niall Doherty
11/24/09 06:46 AM
@ BeesGivingEffort: First of all, I love your name change ;-)
Regarding Chris Paul, no, the emergence of the rookies doesn't make much of a difference; I'd still be gutted if we somehow lost CP3. He's a once in a generation type player, a bonafide top 5 guy in the NBA, and his name alone sells tickets. Collison and Thornton might have bright futures, but it's extremely unlikely that either guy will ever come close to being as brilliant as Chris Paul. He's a born winner and leader, and as such, it's best keep him around if we want to win a championship.
While I'm here, I thought Toney Blare made a good point about the rookies over at SLAMonline yesterday. His words:
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Here’s why I think Bower might be the right guy for this job: he went and drafted 2 guards in the CP3 mode: big balls, good handles, unafraid, with natural chips on their shoulders, and he’s playing them. Byron (I think) got fired because he didn’t after promising he would. Keep an eye on this before you pronounce this franchise dead: until now, you didn’t really see a team built in the image of Chris, just a collection of decent surrounding parts and a b.s. veteran/rookie hierarchy. Make this team run, buck, and scowl, and they have a chance.
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2009/11/game-notes-hawks-at-hornets-2
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nikkoewan
11/24/09 07:09 AM
i am loving the rooks right now. ive always believed in the talent that we had. we just had to find a way to show it. I mean give popovich this team(without the habits byron scott has instilled in them), and they'll win 52+ games. Give Scott Duncan's team(without the habits again) and they'll lose a lot. The coach plays an important role in encouraging his team and creating an environment where his players can shine.
#37
420ftJesus
11/24/09 11:31 AM
I can see where Blare is correct in finding a place from whence hope shall spring. We really haven't had draft picks that stuck around since the second coming, so this in itself is new. Building a team built for Chris should both maximize chances for wins and champsionshio and minimize the chance if him walking.
#38
saZam
11/24/09 03:17 PM
I've always believed that if you want to win championships you need to use your draft picks wisely. Either draft good players or trade for good players.
#39
Jimbobaggins
11/24/09 08:39 PM
The rooks have emerged big time with CP3 out good to see, was shame the Hornets didnt get the W against heat. My big worry is West has not come right, maybe he need CP3 more than anyone. Also Marks again produced great output for his court time. Lets hope the shoulder comes good and can get up to 20 minutes. Lets hope the new competetive Hornets continue.
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