It's pretty clear that the Hornets aren't going very far this season. It's just as clear that the Hornets need to clear out some of the dead weight they have at the wing positions. Now, I'm not one of those people howling to "blow it up now". The Hornets are already out of the running for a top 4 pick in the draft (required for quick rebuilding) and unless a pretty special offer comes up between now and the deadline, it is usually better to wait until the off-season to make trades, so the new team can come in and gel in training camp. However, there is still the fact that the Hornets need to drop another half-million in salary to be able to get under the Luxury Tax Line and qualify for a $4.5 million payout by the league at the end of the season. Most have assumed that the Hornets will simply pay some team under the Tax line to take a minimum contract like Bobby Brown, Devin Brown or Ike Diogu and call it a day.
Personally, I'd like to see something less now-focused, and more future-focused. The Hornets need two things: capable wing players with ball-handling talent, and a young big who could turn into something. Trading for those sorts of assets, however, aren't really possible without the Hornets giving up 1st round picks or players like West or Okafor - or Thornton/Collison. Unless, however, the Hornets were willing to take on a little risk at the same time.
If that's the case, the Golden State Warriors may present a few options. They are desperate for bodies at the moment, and dealing with more injuries than is reasonable.(They actually dressed 8 players and had 4 players foul out the other night, which invoked a rule I never heard of - the last player to foul out remains on the floor, but every foul he commits gives the other team free throws AND a technical free throw.) Now, the Hornets aren't going to land any of their big guns like Ellis, Curry or Randolph. Not without giving up something important. They could, however, target two of their injured players - players who duplicate skills already available to the Warriors - and offer up two players that could provide the Warriors with something they need.
I'm thinking James Posey(plus Bobby Brown for salary purposes) for Kelenna Azubuike and Brandan Wright.
The Warriors get Posey - a SF/PF hybrid of the type they like - able to hit threes, rebound a little and defend multiple positions. They'd be able to shift Maggette to the SF again, and play Posey immediately as their power forward.
The Hornets get two risky players that will be of little help this year, but may help fill holes next year. Azubuike is a solid swingman, but he's done for the season. Next year, however, he will still be only 27 and could combine with Thornton to upgrade the shooting guard position. Brandan Wright is also injured and probably out for the entire year. As a Warrior he's battled injuries his first two seasons and Don Nelson's inexplicable disdain for forwards who don't want to be guards(Wright and Anthony Randolph, specifically) but is only 22 and has played well in the few minutes he has gotten.
Does it hurt the Hornets this year? Yeah, a little. It'll force Julian Wright into more playing time - which is, as usual, both good and bad. Still, I think this is the sort of deal the Hornets should be looking for. Something to help next year and beyond. Not just this year.
Thoughts? Other low-profile targets you like? Oh, and the first person to say Chris Bosh or LeBron James will have to watch Two Girls, One Cup. (Don't worry, it's not the actual video. Just a funny(though vulgar) song about it that you should watch.)


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MaxALM
01/20/10 01:32 PM
If we can shed any of our wing contracts (except for Thornton and preferrably not Wright) and trade for someone you are proposing, we'll be in good shape. If the Hornets end the season a mediocre team like they are now, i'm guessing they'll get a draft pick somewhere between 14-20. It's not exactly a dire situation to not get a top 4 draft pick. Look at Thornton. He's emerging as one of our best players and he got picked in the 2nd round.
We can definitely get a good building block in the draft between 14 and 20. A play-making and ball-handling SF, or a PF who can run the floor and rebound (the Taj Gibson type perhaps) can have this team in the top-tier next year. But I haven't given up on this season yet. Things can still happen.
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Mikey
01/20/10 01:35 PM
I like the scenario you present, Ryan. But, if I may, I'd like to make one change to it. If warm bodies are all Golden state wants, then Mo Pete has to be the one to go with one of the Browns. He is making $6 million this year in a suit. Peterson's salary is close enough to Posey's to make this thing work. You're essentially trading a guy in a suit plus a guy that should be in a suit for two guys in suits, and you save $$ doing it.
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ticktock6
01/20/10 01:55 PM
See, I am a BLOWING IT UP IS STUPID fan and a Posey fan. But I would do that trade you just proposed. I have been saying since 07-08 (when the Hornets made the Posey signing) that they needed to trade to get younger. Chris Paul needs to have an idea of the pieces he will be playing with when the time comes to think about re-signing. It won't be Posey and Mo Pete. It should be a little more than "oh, some future free agent we'll get with cap space". This is why I doubt LeBron will sign with the Knicks-- there's no guarantee they'll get ALL the pieces he wants with "cap space". They don't have anything on the table for him to look at and be tempted by, if you know what I mean. The Hornets need to start assembling step by step *something* of a future group of guys.
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Ryan Schwan
01/20/10 01:58 PM
I'm not saying Golden State only wants warm bodies. They want warm bodies that can shoot threes, rebound, and defend multiple positions. Posey can still do that at a decent rate. He fits their mold.
Brandan Wright, in particular, doesn't seem to fit their mold, is injured and is probably expendable.
Honestly, putting Azubuike on top of the trade may be too much. But Brandan Wright + Speedy Claxton's expiring contract? I'd go for that. Regardless, I just want the Hornets to trade one of those wings for at least ONE young player that fits a need. Brandan Wright looks like he may be damaged goods, but I'd rather they take a flier on him for a year, than to sit on Posey for two.
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berlinhornets
01/20/10 02:10 PM
I really like the two players you mentioned and it seems feasible. Azubuike is exactly the kind of player our starting line-up needs. These two players would be the best soultion for next year. I dont expect something big to happen this year anyway. Since we wont get a pick in the draft below the 14th pick and I think there is no real difference in picking 14th to the mid twenties (its all luck there in my opinion - the 14th pick can just be as good as the 25th pick), I would like the hornets to make the playoffs and get some cash out of it.
I agree with Mikey that mopete might be a better solutin since his contract wont run so long and is less.
Another minor trade (and I think only minor trades will happen) might be: randolph morris (atlanta) for ike and bobby. Morris doesnt play a lot in Atlanta abd they wouldnt miss him, but could help the hornets in rebounding and be a big and his contract is up after this season as well.
Moreover, the Hornets would be under the tax and could cash in. I know this trade would be nothing ground breaking, but this way the azubuike trade might still be possible (which I really really hope for).
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Mikey
01/20/10 02:11 PM
Good point. I'd still throw Peterson out there 1st, but I'd still pull the trigger if it had to be Posey too. Peterson's contract also expires next season along with Peja, so you're looking at mega cap space for the '11-'12 season. That would work out pretty good. West's market value will most likely diminish by the time his contract is up, so even if you wanted to bring him back, it wouldn't be for any more money. That also gives CP and Okafor more time to gel. It sounds like I'm looking way far into the future, but that's the realistic time when the Hornets can be competitive again.
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corndeaux
01/20/10 05:45 PM
Wright, albeit in limited minutes, has looked like a competent low post scorer. Reminds me of Diogu- just hasn't been able to stay healthy and put it together.
I would love to see the Hornets save money and get assets back in a deal like this. I just don't think they will do anything beyond dumping salary. Would Bower- now the coach and presumably on the chopping block- be willing to do a deal like this? I doubt it.
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mW
01/20/10 10:27 PM
I wouldn't trade for anyone on Golden State. They are like a disease that should be avoided at all costs.
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otherMark
01/21/10 09:50 AM
I'm in TickTock's corner on this. I'm against blowing up the team for the uncertainty of "making a splash in the free-agent market". I like the idea of shedding some dead weight (ike, mopete) for an athletic young wingman, and trying to build in the draft. I think the trade you propose is a good one, and makes good sense.
I also wonder about the Wizards fire-sale that appears to be on its way. Nick Young is exactly the type of athlete that we want at the two (and though he may be somewhat of a bonehead, he seems to be a well-meaning, benign, and overall talented one).
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420ftJesus
01/21/10 10:46 AM
I think Ryan's idea of seeing whose trash is our treasure and vice versa is the way deals get done. Trams aren't in the business of just helping another team for no reason.
However, as we learned in the potential LeBrown trade, the player may have to agree to go as well. I can see why a player would want to come here from somewhere, though maybe not anywhere, but who on our team would agree to Golden State or Washington and has the power to affect the trade, like LeBrown?
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otherMark
01/21/10 10:57 AM
Maybe someone who is looking for more PT? Also, those two teams are in disarray, but as places to live they are no Toronto or Minnesota. San Francisco and DC are both awesome.
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otherMark
01/21/10 10:58 AM
Not to rag on Minneapolis or Toronto, which I'm sure are awesome. I just know that the cold weather is not a strong selling point to many NBA players.
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Mikey
01/21/10 12:26 PM
Here's a crazy proposal for you guys. This may not happen this season, but follow me on this one. With Tyreke Evans taking the league by storm, the Kings are going to entertain offers for Kevin Martin. Here is my trade proposal.
If it can happen this season: Trade Peja Stojakovic and Bobby Brown to the Kings for Kevin Martin, Spencer Hawes, and Jon Brockman.
If the trade can't happen till the offseason: Take Bobby Brown and Jon Brockman off the board, and the trade still works.
Pros for the Hornets: 1: It gives the Bugs a bonafide threat at the 2-guard position, giving CP yet another weapon to work with. 2: Frontcourt Depth.
Pros for the Kings: 1: Frees up a logjam at the 2, allowing more floor time for Evans to develop. 2: allows Peja to ride off into the sunset with the team with whom he entered the NBA, while giving the Kings a ton of cap space after next season.
Whatch'all think?
#13
Mikey
01/21/10 12:27 PM
Oh, forgot to mention, it also saves the Hornets about $1.2 million.
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Jock
01/21/10 12:41 PM
Why in the world would the Warriors trade a starter (Azubuike) and a 21 year old player who was their best player in camp prior to his injury, for James Posey? That proposal is completely unrealistic and ridiculous. If the Warriors had any shot at the playoffs, then they may not hang up immediately on the person proposing such an utterly ridiculous low ball offer. But they have no shot because of their injuries (they had a very small chance even when healthy).
The Warriors are a young team getting better, with a lot of young talent (Curry, Ellis, Randolph Biedrens, Wright, Azubuike, Morrow, Turiaf) They don't need other team's overpriced, old, baggage to get better. They just need to play together and get experience for their existing players and be healthy. Mo Peterson is even more of a reach.
Remember, most trades have to have value for both sides. Posey is not a valuable asset at this point in his career. At least not in GS. Maybe to Boston or Orlando, or Cleveland or a team that needs one more piece to get to the final. SA, Dallas, Portland are better targets. Portland especially, they are in th same injury boat as GS, and actually have a playoff team with young players they can part with (Travis Outlaw?). Likewise, I don't think they do the deal either.
Jock
#15
JCS
01/21/10 02:41 PM
@ Jock
Nelly doesn't care about his Warriors. The only reason he coaches that team is because it's close vicinity to the airport that has flights to Hawaii, of where Nelly has a mansion. That being said, Schwan's trade proposition is realistic. The Warriors have poor management, no fans, and really no belonging in the NBA anyway.
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