Looking forward to next season we will be taking a look at Danny Granger and why it might not be so far fetched to think that he could be dealt at some point this season. Yesterday I talked about how the Hornets should just lay low this summer and wait until the season is under way to add players.
Granger, a New Orleans native, is exactly the type of player that the Hornets should be looking to acquire due to his on court skills, the Pacers recent draft picks, their team needs, and most importantly their ownership situation.
Let's start with taking a look at what kind of player he is. Here are some basic stats comparing Granger to the average NBA small forward, adjusted for playing time of course. The league average reflects guys who played 40 or more games at small forward and averaged in excess of 25 minutes per game. All stats are per 40 minutes.
(All stats are from HoopData.com)
| Player | Pts | fg% | 3p% | 3pa | ft% | fta | rebs | asts | stls | TO | blocks |
| Granger | 26.3 | 42.8 | 36.`1 | 7.7 | 84.8 | 7.5 | 6.0 | 3.0 | 1.7 | 2.8 | .9 |
| SF Average | 18.1 | 46.1 | 34.8 | 3.2 | 79.8 | 4.8 | 6.6 | 3.9 | 1.3 | 2.2 | .7 |
And then some more advanced stuff.
| Player | Usage | True fg% | efficiency | PER |
| Granger | 28.73 | 55.4 | 22.53 | 18.91 |
| SF Average | 20.9 | 56.4 | 18.77 | 15.79 |
Lastly, the on/off court numbers from last year (via 82games.com)
| stat | pts scored/100 poss | pts allowed/100 poss | points/100 poss |
| on court | 107.1 | 108.5 | -1.4 |
| off court | 101.4 | 108.2 | -6.8 |
| net | +5.7 | +.3 | +5.3 |
Let's leave the eye test scouting to John Hollinger:
Granger is amazing for a high scorer because he gets most of his points in the flow, just catching and shooting. At 6-foot-9 he can get his shot off over almost anybody, and creates a matchup problem at either forward spot. Put a small defender on him and he'll feast on turnarounds in the post, but when he moves up to the 4 he can run bigs ragged on the perimeter and drive past them to his right. But where he's at his absolute deadliest is on the secondary break: He's great at following plays as a trailer and stepping into a 3 while he runs up court.
So if you didn't know before, you probably do now. Danny Granger can ball. Not only that, but his contract is reasonable considering he's in all the fourth best small forward in the game today.
What you might find odd is that despite seemingly being a perfect fit at small forward, Granger actually played over half his minutes at the power forward position last year. His opponents at the PF position racked up a 17.9 PER, whereas when he was defending small forwards they managed only a measly 14.9 PER, below league average.
On New Orleans, Granger shouldn't have to play much power forward at all because the Hornets have four guys under contract at that position (I count Posey as a PF now). Additionally it would be expected that his three point percentage, and really overall shooting percentage would improve since Chris Paul is so beneficial to three point shooters.
If Granger were to become a Hornet I would expect to see his usage rate drop, his efficiency rates rise even higher. He's a perfect fit in the offense as he would provide the team with a three point shooting threat to replace Peja, and undoubtedly be the guy taking shots with the game on the line. His height and quick release allows him to take shots that Chris Paul and Marcus Thornton just can't be counted on to get off against double teams or taller defenders.
As a player who commands a double team, Granger would certainly be the Hornets leading scorer and would perfectly complement Chris Paul at the small forward position. He would slide into Peja's spot and give the team an instant upgrade in just about every aspect of the game. He would also give team a nice, albeit slightly above average wing defender who would be a huge improvement over Peja on help defense.
Granger's contract runs through 2014 at 11, 12, 13, and then 14 million dollars. compare that to someone like Rudy Gay who Granger is superior to, and you come to the conclusion that he has a reasonable, if not good, salary.
The only downside to Granger is his injury history. While not extensive, he has missed 35 games in the past two seasons with knee and foot injuries
Now that we're done fantasizing about the possibility of Granger in a Hornets uniform, let's discuss the reality of it. There are a few simple reasons in which Granger may become available, all of them unsubstantiated and speculative.
1. Indiana just used the 10th pick in the draft to acquire Paul George, a Granger clone who stands at the same height, plays the same position, has the same skill set, and comes at 1/5th the price. According to a bunch of people he's got the skill set to be a real player in the league one day, even if I think he's going to be a bust. Larry Bird obviously is high on him since he took him in the draft even though their needs are at point guard, not small forward.
Some people think that he can play shooting guard, but in reality that's a bad idea. He's a natural fit at the three and the team would be doing him a disservice by throwing him in at an already overloaded shooting guard position. Much like they continue to disservice Granger by playing him at the four.
2. The team has serious external problems that don't seem like they will remedy themselves. Just recently the city of Indianapolis agreed to essentially subsidize the team in order to keep it in the area. The problems, according Jared Wade of eightpointsnineseconds.com:
- Flagging Fan Base
It’s no secret that the Pacers have fallen from grace with the locals over the last few years. There’s no reason to recount the mind-numbing series of off-court embarrassments nor the four straight seasons finishing out of the playoffs that explain a large part of the “why.” To be brutally honest, however, Indy has never really been an NBA town, and it certainly doesn’t help the Pacers that they hit rock bottom just as the Colts were winning a Super Bowl. Ultimately, It has been easy for Indianapolis sports fans to find alternate places to spend their sports entertainment dollar.
- Shallow Local Pockets
Indianapolis is not a large city, nor is it growing at any appreciable rate. It is generally expected that the U.S. economy will turn around, but the truth of the matter is that many cities all over the country have been trying to do too much with too little through both good times and bad for quite some time now. Regardless of how much the economy rebounds, it is unlikely that future deals like this will ever be any more popular among the vocal tax base than this one was. About 70% of more than 2,100 respondents to an Indy Star Poll viewed this deal as a “Corporate Bailout.” There will never be enough money for police and schools and potholes and hoops.
Those problems, along with the economic standing of a team "hemorrhaging tens of millions of dollars annually" could prove to be too much to tackle for aging owner.
Shortly before Mel Simon passed away, his [partner] Herb bought him out, becoming the sole owner of the Indiana Pacers. The Simons have owned the Pacers since 1985, showing an admirable commitment to keeping the Pacers in Indianapolis. Unfortunately, Herb is 75 years old, and it’s far from set in stone that the next generation of Simons will want to take over the franchise. Despite comments indicating they have no intention of selling, it’s becoming harder and harder to believe that it’s not a possibility.
We all know what happens when teams want to sell in a bad economy. They strip it down of liabilities. That's exactly how the Hornets were able to get Okafor away from Charlotte. It was about reducing the long term liabilities of the team in order to increase the sales price.
While I can't say with any sort of certainty that Herb Simon is looking to sell the team, another bad year of losing tens of millions of dollars leading up to a potential lockout in the summer of 2011 can't be too appealing. Much like George Shinn decided he wanted to take it easy in his old age, Herb Simon might feel the same way.
3. The team could be very bad yet again. The Pacers aren't a terrible team, especially with Granger, but their roster at absolute best would still be a first round playoff loser. Worst case scenario is much, much worse and would leave them completely out of the playoff picture by mid season.
If we are going to constantly talk about how CP3, LeBron, Bosh, Wade, etc, want nothing more than to win titles, then why not talk about Granger? Here's a guy who can be a number two on a title team, has never been part of a winning season, and has been to the playoffs only once in five years. At some point he might just say enough is enough, I want out of here.
The Pacers have been methodically shedding salary for years and years and there is no certainty at all that they will be able to make a major score in free agency in 2011 (if there is a free agency in 2011). If Granger decides he's unhappy losing then the Pacers might be willing to pull the trigger on a deal that would bring back some cheap young talent.
The Hornets would be a natural landing place, having the perfect blend of Darren Collison, who would be a cheap and perfect fit as the Pacers point guard of the future, and a number of expiring contracts.
I'm going to stop now since I've been at this ridiculous article for the better part of three hours and I feel like anything more would be like beating a dead Mr. Ed.
If you want to ask me some questions or make some comments I'll be over at ESPN's Daily Dime Chat for the next few hours.


34 articulate comments post your own
mcp2989
07/15/10 07:28 PM
First of all, I would love Granger in a Hornets uniform. It's nice to see someone reason out a scenario for us to get him; if we get a chance to grab him, I would go for it in a second. But does this make us a title contender? I think we could do some serious damage in transition with that lineup. But I still think we'd have a tough time vs. the Lakers, and we NEED to get more consistent scoring in the paint.
#1
Schmide234
07/15/10 07:44 PM
This would be the trade right here. Indy would get a rising star in DC and two huge expiring contracts in Peja and Songalia. We in turn would get back a solid back up PG and of course D Granger. i think both sides would make this deal. Indy gets about 20 mil in expirings and we still get 8 mil back next year to get another good role player in free agency.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
#2
hio1515
07/15/10 07:51 PM
I like the idea of granger coming to New Orleans, but how is this article different than any of the cp3 going to other teams articles we have been complaining about for the last 2 months.
#3
winze
07/15/10 07:53 PM
anyone reckon they would go for this?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=35kdos5
#4
TopherPrice
07/15/10 08:07 PM
Off topic, but I was thinking it may bode well for Tyson actually being healthy and feeling truely strong again if he has committed to Team USA. I would have never thought he would put himself at risk of further injury if he wasn't pretty darn sure he was golden.
Interesting... Either very foolish, or a sign that he may be back. On the watch list!
#5
Mazon
07/15/10 08:49 PM
Off topic but I am hearing a rumor that the Hornets are interviewing Pritchard for the GM position...?? Is this true? If so thoughts/opinions please...
#6
nikkoewan
07/15/10 08:53 PM
@hio1515: because we are not in the situation they are currently in. read that situation joe G just pointed out. do you think we are in that kind of a position? off course there will be some biases but nothing in this world is unbiased.
#7
ketirav
07/15/10 09:00 PM
Your 2 last posts are 2 of the best I've ever read here.
FREE VON WAFER!
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HiMyNameisSteven
07/15/10 09:16 PM
props here for giving u a good basis yesterday to write this article?
#9
HollisBuckeye21
07/15/10 09:26 PM
@winze
If we could get that deal, my oh my. I'd be so happy. Granger and Jones for Peja/Collison is definitely worth it. We'd likely HAVE to put in a first round pick or something. But I'd love that deal personally.
#10
420ftJesus
07/15/10 10:40 PM
This isn't any different that speculating about CP3. People say the same things about NO as were are saying about Indy, but we are holding the stick; they depend on NO boys for their sports, and that's ok. (and we own them after the super bowl, so that helps).
I'm not saying it's wrong, but I'm sure it'll irritate someone up there.
I'm fine getting Granger, but I want to know how you plan to unload him if it doesn't work. His contract goes to 2014, like Emeka. We've been there, played now, pay later (or play then, pay now as the case may be), and I don't want to get back there.
Is there another `Granger' out there with a 2013 deal? We could at least stagger our pain.
#11
Sportnlife
07/16/10 02:47 AM
Unless George is eye-popping good and by some fluke can only play the 3, Granger isn't going anywhere. He's on a team with low fan interest, and he's the prime attraction. They're going to dump their best player to save money, as opposed to trying to generate more interest by building around him? The new CBA would be a boon to such a franchise, so there's every incentive for the ownership to ride out this year and hope for a more even playing field for mid-size franchises starting next year. Pretty much in the same boat as we are.
No harm in trying to rumor him out of Indy, like the New Yawkers are trying to do with CP3, though. Thanks for getting the ball rolling.
#12
Robin
07/16/10 02:48 AM
I suggested this trade a few posts ago, though I'm certain a lot of people have thought of it. Seems like there is a clear win-win to be had here for both teams, even though the Pacers' outcome would be more depressing. Some questions:
1) Do you think Hornets ownership/management is in a position right now to agree to a trade like this, and not only agree but seek it out and pursue it aggressively? Or would they be more likely to try and shed salary, hold on to expiring contracts, or simply avoid risks? And how soon could that change, and by how much?
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2) How would you guys feel if Indiana also demanded Marcus Thornton in the deal? Is Granger worth him and Collison? What if they throw in Troy Murphy? (The deal might look something like this: http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5620173 )
#13
MaxALM
07/16/10 02:59 AM
420: Granger is a guy that averages 25 points a game and plays great D. He's an impact player at a position we need. Would you rather be spending 14 mil/year on Granger or on Peja? A guy who plays worth his contract, or a guy who's drowning your cap flexibility to do nothing but shoot up 3s?
#14
berlinhornets
07/16/10 05:15 AM
I'd öike Granger to play for the Hornets too. But don't you guys think the Luther Head sitaution deteriorated the possiblity of it happening. I read somewhere that Granger is one of the main clients of Bartelstein. He seemed to be really pissed with the organization.
#15
420ftJesus
07/16/10 08:32 AM
Max: Your argument is a good one IF I still have to pay Peja beyond this year. One year of Peja who is way off his peak may not be bad compared to 4 years of Granger who, while good, could end up 'Pejang' us. This should get some thought given the 2012 situation with Chris and that we have Emeka on a simiar deal to 2014 as well.
If we get Granger, and like the dude, I want an escape plan, if necessary. I'd prefer to get a guy with a 2011, 2012, or 2013 end if contract though, that's all.
Big contracts with the same expiration kill your flexibility, and that's what we need. That's what we've been missing.
Another solution is to get Granger and give me a plan to move Emeka, if necessary. I just figured Granger would be easier to move.
#16
QueenBee
07/16/10 11:12 AM
According to DX.com, someone named Aaron Mintz is Granger's agent, not Bartelstein.
#17
berlinhornets
07/16/10 11:46 AM
@ queenbee thanks. I read it somewhere in an article. but I trust DX. So no probelm there. ;-)
#18
TopherPrice
07/16/10 01:00 PM
While it may not be an issue for Granger, it may be an issue for the more realistic pickup this offseason or Rasual. His agent is Bartelstein, and we would be trying to get him for as little as possible, so it does not bode well that the agent be mad at us if we are trying to wiggle down the salary ladder with Rasual for a value pick up.
But I think, Bartelstein is just playing the proper role you would want your agent to play in the Head situation. There is no way they could say he failed a physical if he had not failed SOMETHING in a physical. Their would have been a lawsuit by now. Period. Bartelstein is most likely a lawyer as well, so why not get money for Head without him even needing to play if it was B.S.
#19
berlinhornets
07/16/10 01:23 PM
On another topic: Brewer obviously signed with the Bulls for 12,5 mio for 3 years!! around 4 mio per year - we definitley could and should have done this deal. I am bumbed out by this news. He would have been perfect for the Hornets on so many levels. And with that "little" money...... I just hope there is a great masterplan behind all this.
#20
QueenBee
07/16/10 01:37 PM
Off-topic- Don't forget tonight's game against the Warriors is at 7pm CT instead of 9pm.
#21
QueenBee
07/16/10 01:38 PM
I think I read somewhere today that the Bucks are looking at Luther Head. His agent should be happy that he and his client will get some money now.
#22
QueenBee
07/16/10 01:38 PM
That is IF Head passes their physical. Hahaha.
#23
Stefan
07/16/10 01:47 PM
Check out my thoughts on the sale of the Warriors and an offseason version of Charles Oakley Rankings
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sportsaccordingtome.com #24
Jalil Davis
07/16/10 02:47 PM
A three way trade between the Hornets, Knicks, and Pacers:
Hornets trade: Peja Stojakovic and Darren Collison to Pacers....... Emeka Okafor and Julian Wright and a 1st round pick to the Knicks
Pacers Trade: Danny Granger, Dahntay Jones, and Soloman Jones to Hornets and do whatever they want to with the Knicks
Knicks Trade: Eddy Curry and Wilson Chandler to Hornets and Do whatever they want with the Pacers
We can waive Dahntay jones and sign Rashad Mccants :)
Lineup:
PG: Chris Paul, Aubrey Coleman
SG: Marcus Thornton, Dahntay Jones or Rashad Mccants and Quincy Pondexter
SF: Danny Granger, Wilson Chandler, and Quincy Pondexter
PF: David West, Craig Brackins, and Danny Granger
C: Eddy Curry, Aaron Gray, Soloman Jones
And when Eddy Curry's contract is up sign Tyson Chandler as a FA and boon we are in Contention
#25
Ryan Schwan
07/16/10 03:27 PM
Eddy Curry is useless, and Tyson Chandler is useless for 33% of each season, including the playoffs, usually.
www.hornets247.com #26
420ftJesus
07/16/10 03:57 PM
So you would support signing Tyson over re-signing Curry?
#27
TopherPrice
07/16/10 04:02 PM
@420 and Ryan: 420 your question reminds me of the election of South Park Elementary's new mascot. LOL
I vote, Turd Sandwich!
#28
420ftJesus
07/16/10 04:13 PM
Good call, Topher. I think lots of people do. Yup.
I like Tyson, but that ship has sailed.
Let us not go gently, but let us not go backwards, either.
#29
WhoDaMan88
07/17/10 01:44 AM
I was checking the espn trade rumor boards.Most aren't that great regarding the hornets but I did find this interesting on. check it out.......
http://games.espn.g o.com/nba/tradeMachi ne?tradeId=26lgzy2
#30
WhoDaMan88
07/17/10 01:45 AM
I was checking the espn trade rumor boards.Most aren't that great regarding the hornets but I did find this interesting on. check it out.......
http://games.espn.g o.com/nba/tradeMachi ne?tradeId=26lgzy2
#31
WhoDaMan88
07/17/10 01:46 AM
my bad. http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=26lgzy2
#32
Drew in Indy
07/19/10 10:54 AM
Sorry guys, but I don't see how this makes any sense. Why would Indy want to gain more expiring contracts? What big name free agent wants to sign with Indy? If you want a guy like Granger, you better think up a better offer than an average point guard and some old guys. The Pacers have that already. Granger is one of the most under-rated players in the league, but in Indy everyone knows how good he is. The Pacers are not giving up the only player that fans still love, for any of the guys you are mentioning.
And don't count on the Pacers leaving Indy soon. The city would not have given them more money if they were going to let them leave. The Pacers will owe the city millions if they decide to leave. It's just not likely.
#33
420ftJesus
07/19/10 12:13 PM
All good points, Drew.
I don't see Granger leaving except through free agency.
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