Two months into the season the media and basketball junkies worldwide are going to be talking about the New Orleans Hornets and Chris Paul as if they just crawled out of the swamp to become one of the better teams in the Western Conference. When that happens remember this post.
You see, the memory of NBA fans can be compared to a stoned elephant, or perhaps a goldfish swimming in Everclear. As soon as something new and flashy comes along or an completely fluke injury occurs to a star player they do a 180 on their stance, sometimes completely contradicting their previous sentiment.
Think about it for a second- Two years ago the Hornets were considered dark horse title contenders. ESPN experts had them as the second most likely team to win the NBA title. They weren't unrealistic though, and had the foresight to essentially predict what would wind up happening.
The Hornets might not win the 2008-09 NBA title if ...
• They don't find someone to fill the void at 2-guard.
• Chris Paul, David West and/or Tyson Chandler has one of those seasons in which he misses a big chunk of time due to injury.
Guess what happened that season? Tyson Chandler missed a bunch of time with injuries, and when he did see the floor at the end of the season it was obvious that he wasn't the same defensive and rebound force that Hornets fans had come to expect the previous year. Not only that, but the team as a whole hobbled into the playoffs and were physically a wreck before the series with the team which must not be named even started.
That series wound up embarrassing the Hornets and because of the magnitude of the loss that didn't happen, the team found itself in a tough situation. They lacked the depth to withstand injuries and it was simply too risky to continue holding out that Tyson Chandler's fragile toe could hold up for another year.
Okafor for Chandler was a steal. I said it before and I'll say it again. He's going to be a lot better this year. To quote myself:
Emeka Okafor missed training camp and the entire preseason with an injury, and was obviously not in sync with the rest of the team on both ends of the floor for much of the year. He wound up having the worst season of his career in terms of production and was limited by Bower to under 29 minutes a game despite the clear lack of a capable backup center for most of the year. This year he's healthy and will participate fully in both training camp and the preseason. Undeniably he will be more prepared and consequently his production will increase.
Oh, and they never found someone to play shooting guard. That problem is now solved as well.
There is no reason, and I can't stress this enough with only a single alteration of the text so here we go again, NO REASON that the Hornets can't be just as good as they were in 2007-2008. This years squad is simply put, a better team in a superior situation.
It's not like there was anything that special about that year aside from it being the first time the team had ever flirted with success in New Orleans. It wasn't a fluke that Chris Paul and David West played well, or that Peja knocked down wide open threes.
Even the crowds were sparse early on. So much so that the team was actually better on the road than at home for a considerable portion of the season. Assuming people show up this year (BUY TICKETS!), the team has a leg up on that squad since home court advantage is obviously influenced largely by fan participation.
Let's compare the two rosters-
Starting point guard: 2011 CP3> 2008 CP3.
The whole idea that the Hornets are going to be better this year than in 2007-2008 is based around players not getting hurt and even though Paul was amazing that year, he's a much better defender now than he was then. His three point shot looked better last year too which makes him even more deadly.
Backup point guard: Darren Collison> Mike James/Bobby Jackson
Not much more I can say about that.
Starting shooting guard: Thornton>Mo-P
Nobody will debate this.
Backup shooting guard: TBD>Pargo/Rasual
Pargo is one of those guys whose value increases when he's playing with awful players. He looked pretty good on that second unit because he was allowed to just jack up shots. Let's face it- a bad Pargo shot is still better than a turnover, which were the staple of the second unit that year. Put PArgo on a good team though and he's below replacement value, meaning you can grab a random guy out of the D-League and expect better production. Pargo averages more shots than points per game and he's a scorer first and foremost. Wrap your head around that for a while and try to argue that the team won't have a better player on the roster by the time the season starts.
Rasual Butler had a horrible year which eventually led to his nickname, "The Phoenix".
The team traded for Bonzi later in the year, but he wasn't a part of the team's early success.
Starting small forward: 2008 Peja>2011 Peja
But don't forget that Peja can still ball. He's lost a step, but he's adequate and will continue to be a three point threat as long as his back permits it.
Backup small forwards: 2008 Julian Wright=2011 Julian Wright/Pondexter
With Monty Williams on board the wing players should benefit a bunch. 2008 Julian was pretty damn good for a rookie, but expect these this years duo to match his production
Starting power forward: 2008 David West=2011 David West
If you think that David West is any different than the 2008 version of himself, you haven't been paying attention.
Backup power forward: Posey/Brackins/Songaila> Ryan Bowen
Oh, you didn't remember that Ryan Bowen averaged 13 minutes a game and played in 52 games that year? Yeah, he was the backup power forward.
Starting center: 2008 Tyson>2011 Okafor
Okafor is going to improve this year, but Tyson was a monster on defense. How close Okafor can get to matching Chandlers production should will likley determine just how high this team can fly.
Backup center: 2011 Aaron Gray> 2008 Melvin Ely/Hilton Armstrong
Yes, Aaron Gray is a slight improvement. Not a big one, but Ely and Armstrong were painful to watch. Aaron is infinitely more palatable.
So the situation is better since there will be more fans, the team is pretty clearly improved, and there are millions worth of expiring contracts that will enable them to make huge improvements once the season is under way.
Why everyone is so down on the Hornets is beyond me. The team is better than when they were predicted by experts to win the title. (Devils advocate- everyone is better)
There might be some front office problems right now, but there's a good coach on board and good players on the floor. That's where the game is played.
You heard it here first- The Hornets are going to be a very good team this year and anyone who is surprised by it just isn't paying attention.


58 magnificent comments post your own
QueenBee
07/16/10 06:55 PM
"You heard it here first- The Hornets are going to be a very good team this year......."
And then the bandwagoners will jump back on and act like they've never complained at all.
#1
TopherPrice
07/16/10 07:00 PM
I was thinking of a journal almost exactly like this today at work after I read an article on ESPN rating the top contenders to knock the Lakers out of the top spot in the west. I was a little confused by the fact that the Hornets didn't even garner a mention... Not even a, if they stay healthy they could cause some difficulties for the division.
I was thinking, how can a team not even be worth mentioning when they have arguably the best PG, (post allstar break numbers) top 8 SG, the #6 PF, even on a down year an above average center, and enough wing players to form like Voltron into something who's sum of the parts equals a good wing? If injuries stay away, I would be shocked if we don't post around 50 wins.
#2
TopherPrice
07/16/10 07:07 PM
And to answer the question:
Peja = Red Lion (cause its the shooting arm)
Julian = Yellow Lion (cause he is all goofy footed sometimes)
Darius = Green Lion (he is steady, so the left hand he is)
Q= Blue Lion (here's to him getting off on the good foot)
Posey = Black Lion (as he is all head and body now)
#3
TopherPrice
07/16/10 07:15 PM
Sonderlieter with a foul 16 seconds into the game. HAHAHAHA
#4
Zwie
07/16/10 07:20 PM
MAGNIFICENT POST MR. GERRITY!!! BRAVISIMO!!!!!
#5
wosborne08
07/16/10 07:23 PM
This is exactly the type of optimism I have for this upcoming season. Nice to hear from a Hornets fan who still sees a lot of positives in our current situation.
#6
QueenBee
07/16/10 07:24 PM
@TopherPrice-that's ok though. Let people sleep on the Hornets. That's what happened during the 07-08 season. Going into the season I don't remember there being much mention of the Hornets doing much of anything but look what happened.
#7
BRballboy
07/16/10 07:32 PM
Nice post. I've been having this nagging thought that we were so good, now people act like we're almost hopeless. How can that be? The main thing we lost was Tyson, who was out most of the time anyway. And we replaced him with Okafor, and found Collison and Thornton. Now we've got two new rooks that look promising, some cap room, and enough expiring money to sign a max guy. Seems to me, things look up, not down.
#8
TopherPrice
07/16/10 07:54 PM
I wonder if Hines could move to 2 or 3? He seems to have handles and a shot. It would be tragic for someone with his heart and motor to not be able to find a place because he is just too short to be a 4.
#9
YoungFella
07/16/10 08:38 PM
Joe, you are so bad you make Schwanny look like the George Will of basketball writing.
Let's have a bet - seriously. If the Hornets don't make the playoffs I get to take your place for the following season. If the Hornets make the playoffs I will donate $100 to site.
No kidding. Email me at gulfcoasttickets@gmail.com and we'll work out the details.
#10
nikkoewan
07/16/10 09:08 PM
@YF: i didn't realize you're back. Man, you're a prick. although SOME of your ideas are true, some are just plain moronic.
HOW in the heck will trading CP3 for Lopez or Gasol bros ever going to be good for us?! i hate to go into a blog war with you again, but i hope you start replying in a calmer, more friendly way. GENUINELY. it seems to me like all your posts are so vindictive of your predictions. I don't care if they're right, i also don't care if they're wrong. all i care about is us having a nice, calm discussion. Don't worry i'll pitch your name to the hornets brass, i want to see you be a NBA GM(other than 2k10 or live).. Good day
#11
MaxALM
07/16/10 09:29 PM
I feel good about this team as well, but I want to see less of Peja and more of Q-Pon. Energy players. We don't need him to score double digits every game, but as long as he gives us his good D, good hustle, and finishing abilities, just think about it. He'll complement Thornton perfectly, and if he's aggressive like it sounds he is, CP will love to get him out on the break. And IF Brackins can rebound and defend better than Songaila, we're in better shape in the paint.
#12
Mark
07/16/10 09:30 PM
Problem is that winning teams don't generally tinker much with their system (so age-permitting, they maintain effectiveness), and losing teams improve their roster's talent (keyword) through draft hopes and/or trades.
Thankfully we've retooled lots with our team (still questioning not drafting Damion James), but it boils down to execution. Like I said before, we look solid, but unless Monty and co. establishes a system and the players pick it up quickly, it'll just be another jumbled mess of a season.
www.dogpile.com/ #13
mcp2989
07/16/10 09:46 PM
MaxAlM: Totally agree regarding Peja. My thoughts: Peja and Thornton are so similar outside the arc. They're both streaky shooters that can get their shots off in a heartbeat. I don't see them meshing very well on the court together, simply because there are only so many 3 pointers to go around, and because neither is a spectacular defender. Peja is so one-dimensional at this point of his career. Not trying to jump the gun, but I've watched most of the summer league games, and I already think Pondexter is at least as good as Peja. He has a good grasp of the game, can play off the ball, can find open teammates, and is already showing remarkable anticipation and quickness on defense. And Peja is certainly not part of our long term plan. The only motivation I have to play Peja more than 10-15 minutes is to keep up some sort of trade value before the deadline
#14
QueenBee
07/16/10 10:12 PM
I really like Hines' rebounding ability.
#15
jochbe
07/16/10 10:48 PM
Was this post supposed to be tongue-in-cheek? I am genuinely not sure.
I was in the middle of writing a refutation of the post when I realized that it was A) absurdly long and B) really depressing...so I will spare you all and not post it.
I will add one thing, though--you have hugely undersold the 07-08 team, which was, in fact, surprisingly good, given that they basically relied on 4 players (plus, I suppose, the mediocre amalgam of Mo and Pargo) for all of their production. And I think we are making a huge mistake if we expect CP3 to have a repeat performance of that year (which is probably what it would take for us to come close to having a shot at being that good again this year)--we might expect the same or better per-minute production, but not for heavy minutes in 80 games a season.
#16
420ftJesus
07/16/10 11:12 PM
Good post. I'm with you. We needed some depth and we got some. And let's not forget how the Hornets had the magical season, to use the phrase that seems to be popular: We played a bit better than 0.500 ball, maybe 0.600, a 48 win sort of brand of play . . . and we destroyed just about every team in January. We wrecked them. I mean killed. Literally, it was like a 14 pt margin of victory during one streak, on average. We brutalized them in the third.
One month made the difference. One month was really what set us apart.
We had the guts and grit to come back on the Celtics, yada yada yada, but my point is we got the good record by playing consistently and having one sustained burst. The guts and the grit helped us get to that damned game 7.
I agree 100% on the system comments, but I'm holding out hope that Monty will have a system for us. I want a damned system .
Votron: I'm a lion guy, don't get me wrong, but with a roster 15ish people, we could go vehicle voltron . . . of course there were no personalilities there. And I'm with you on ignoring the princess segment of the story.
YoungFella: Agree or not, please contribute. Whatever that is up there, is not a contribution. I'm not a moderator, but just a guy who'd like to know your thoughts. Just asking as a favor.
Nikk: I was a topologist before the storm . . . now I'm in statistics . . . you?
#17
Joe Gerrity
07/16/10 11:13 PM
A. I'm obviously being optimistic about the season, but what can I say? I'm an optimistic dude and the Hornets are my favorite team. If there is something specific you disagree with them go for it. Attack the crap out of my writing.
B. I've banned YF from commenting. He's the only person I've ever had a problem with in my entire time of writing sports and that problem has been endless. It's been so nice not having him around lately and I just don't see the point of dealing with him any more. It makes me not want to read the comments, and I really enjoy hearing other people's opinion about things. He remains the only person we have ever banned.
If anyone wants to personally insult me, that's fine, but keep it off of here. Send me an email at JoeKnowsSports@gmail.com
#18
420ftJesus
07/16/10 11:18 PM
Niall banned KingBee.
But I suppose that was in the long, long ago.
#19
420ftJesus
07/16/10 11:32 PM
The thread:
http://www.hornets247.com/blog/2010/03/18/could-chris-pauls-clutch-play-account-for-the-teams-disparity-in-wins-and-wins-produced
Niall's comment is the last one.
What's to stop these folks from signing up again?
In other news, it's fun to go back and look at old posts. Those were the good old days . . . <James Taylor esque strumming>
#20
urgmasdaughter
07/16/10 11:37 PM
Even funnier news right below KingBee is YoungFella still giving his "opinion"
Good find 420! hahaha
#21
420ftJesus
07/16/10 11:44 PM
I found all sorts of good stuff, including that weird guy.
#22
untitled1018
07/17/10 02:56 AM
I like how you think Gerrity (mostly). It's easy to get bent out of shape about the current state of things New Orleans Hornets but they beat that whole New Orleans/Oklahoma City thing.
I'm expecting the team to be good.
As a side note, I look at this GM thing -
(granted I am nowhere near New Orleans basketball or the Hornets FO but this helps me through the dog days)
- as an indication of Chouest taking over running the team before the details are on paper.
Why have a GM you will let go, make decisions during a valuable free agency period? The team is taking it slow anyway (as they should).
I mean you can handle free agency for the fans or for the season. Either way the franchise is left holding the bag if (when) the team (or the players) under-perform.
Signing a 'superstar' is one thing I guess, but (for reasons some of which you talked about, I guess) I don't see how any of the free agents available fill a hole that the team couldn't pay a player off the summer league team to fill just as adequately.
But again I'm just a fan with internet. I don't know jack about basketball.
As another side note, it must be frustrating now for YF to come to the site and read such, um, 'bad' writing and be unable to comment! It's like a Tales from the Crypt episode, the pain is so terrible but you are powerless to stop it!
#23
DownUnder
07/17/10 05:25 AM
Haha 420 those certainly were good old days. I remember reading that post back then when I didn't even have an account. I just read the posts cause I was such a Hornets fan and those are hard to find in the outback of Australia. Guys like you and Joe were celebrities to me lol! Now I actually talk to you guys some times OMG! jokes
And YF, why does someone who reads something immediately trash the writer based on personal oppinion from the past. Does it help anything at all the world, disagree if you will with posts and that certainly happens here but being an out wright dick through the protection of a world wide web isn't at all necessary. Thats what I absalutely hate about Youtube. Be a constructive and respectful hornets fan or bugger off.
Does anyone agree?
#24
NOEngineer
07/17/10 06:45 AM
I agree that our talent is equal to or better than ever. Two things temper my enthusiam (just a bit...) regarding a playoff run:
1) A group of solid players is not enough to form an effective team. CP3 does not appear to have the same attitude as before, and I did not see much team spirit or cohesiveness the last two years. I hope Monty is the answer to this.
2) As was pointed out during the replies, we rode an awesome January to that good finish. However, by March San Antonio figured out some things that other teams learned since. Get physical with the Hornets and you can beat them handily, especially in a series. The only really physical player we still have on this team is Posey. Even Gray seems a little soft for his size. Brackins seems to be a perimeter guy without much nasty. I love Q-pon's physicality on D, so there is hope there. I would sign Hines before anyone else off that summer league roster and find two more physical guys. Somebody LIKE Dhantay Jones who is NOT Dhantay Jones, and somebody like Tyson or Camby or Anderson or Mtumbo. Maybe Diogu could be the physical PF guy instead of Hines, but its hard to tell.
The issue comes into play more at the end of the year when the refs are changing to "playoff basketball" mode, so we can wait to find the right guy using Peja's expiring contract. It is also possible to coach toughness to some degree, so all eyes will be on Monty. I really hope our training staff is much improved to keep our injuries down.
Good work Joe, and thanks for (at least temporarily) excising that YF cancer.
#25
Ryan Schwan
07/17/10 09:10 AM
I'm not as optimistic, Joe. I don't actually think today's Paul is necessarily greater than the one two years ago. I also think David West's defense has slipped noticeably, and Tyson Chandler towers over Okafor.
Pargo/Bonzi was also a very nice tandem at shooting guard, regardless of Pargo's shooting issues.
As constructed, if this team breaks 48 wins, I'll be happy.
www.hornets247.com #26
MaxALM
07/17/10 10:35 AM
mcp: agree as well about Q-Pon. He's got a much more complete skill set. As long as he's consistent, I think he'll wind up getting more PT than Peja, which I hope for. He might not become a starter this year, but he could be a pretty damn good 6th man. At this point, Peja really should not be a starter. It's not like he won't get paid his 15 mil if he's coming off the bench. Not to jump all over him, but frankly I'm sick of him. Let's get a different look out there
#27
downnout
07/18/10 01:06 AM
we still need reliable wing guys who can consistently shoot 3s, i hope peja can return to his 2007 self again
#28
Hewhorocks
07/18/10 01:09 PM
I will give CP3 =CP3. I might even say West's D is only marginally worse (not counting the inconsistent effort) but Peja is not a little worse, he's a lot older. While I am not prepared to back it up with the math yet, I might speculate that he is 2 standard deviations older than the typical NBA starter. His Offense is a little worse, His 1 on1 defense is a little worse his help defense non existent, his motor has more miles on it. If he were not under contract at this moment would any team be pushing him as a starter to their fan base?
Peja was a very good player for a long time its simply that his contract outlived him. Injuries are part of the game so to speak but by committing so many resources to bad contracts the hornets are less able to respond flexibly to needs during the season. This is the legacy left to us.
Im no band wagon jumper, I'll be there in section 311 pulling for the hornets every game. But I am a realist. While the Hornets are moving in the right direction I cant imagine better than a second round appearance....but theres a lot of ball to be played.
#29
SaveYourBoredom
07/18/10 03:31 PM
I don't know. When you watch footage from the '08 season, David West just seems to have something back then that he's lost. A "pop", I'd describe it. It's not quantifiable, but for those who watch every game and read every word written about this team, it is noticeable. But I'm certainly not one of those fans who thinks we should trade West and his tiny contract for whatever unpalatable and unrealistic deal they can come up with.
#30
Eman5805
07/18/10 10:32 PM
I love it. Love the prospect.
Visit a place like HR.com and you'd swear and up down we were worse than the friggin' T'Wolves or Warriors. Hell I distinctly remember someone saying we were and would be lucky to win 35 games.
I'm one of the only ones saying we can make some noise this year, but no...I get bombarded by the usual "take off the teal glasses" BS that irks me off to no end.
#31
nikkoewan
07/19/10 12:05 AM
Peja was not a bad 1 on 1 defender. in fact he was a great 1 on 1 defender. it was just his team defense was bad.
#32
Mikey
07/19/10 11:36 AM
I'm expecting the Hornets to be better this year than last. Another year of DC/Marcus to grow, and the addition of Q-PON and Brackins will upgrade the bench. I don't think this team, as constructed, is better than the '07-'08 team though. I tend to agree with Ryan and his level of moderate optimism. Here are some reasons as to why.
1. Tyson Chandler, when healthy, is an elite level, top 5 defensive player at his position. That year he was healthy, meaning the Hornets interior defense was stellar. He can take the best interior offensive opponents head-on, and leave David West to defend the weak side, which plays to D-West's strengths. Even in the playoffs, we left him all alone against the likes of Dirk and Tim Duncan. You cannot put Emeka Okafor on guys of that calibur and expect the same results. I do expect Okafor to improve defensively, and get more minutes, but he's not even close to the same category of defensive player that Chandler was that season.
2. Peja was a huge contributor that season, having his highest 3pt% and scoring average that year. He did a marvelous job of stretching the floor, which gave David West ample space to work with underneath. Marcus Thornton can take on some of that role, but he's not near the threat Peja is from distance.
3. David West's best years are behind him. It's hard for me to say, because he's been my favorite Hornet since they moved back from OKC. Most of it isn't even his fault, its actually a combination of the first two points I made. The loss of Tyson Chandler has really exposed some of his defensive weaknesses (lack of size and athleticism). Without a healthy, reliable Peja to space the floor and give him space, his offense has suffered. I look for West to make a bit of an adjustment, and get is mean streak back. I think he will have a better year this year than last, but the all-star appearances for him are a thing of the past.
#33
Mikey
07/19/10 11:38 AM
I didn't even mention Chris Paul's injury-proneness.
#34
420ftJesus
07/19/10 12:31 PM
I'm holding hope that Monty will deploy an actual system with actual plays to actually fit together. I also hope this system isn't just "wow, how about that chris."
When out ball distribution from the point was bad, our production STOPPED past season. Cold. That is bad. Even moreso that we had to lean on DC. When the bad guys know he has to pass, the turnovers follow.
We need a system that allows/encourages the 3 and 4 to fight for point rather than just wait for points to just fall in their laps. It all starts with movement and position. When the bad guys have to honor someone besides D West in the front court, good things will happen, including rebounds.
I did the easy part: said it.
Again, this is more of a hope than a prediction. I don't know what to expect drom him in terms of a system.
#35
QueenBee
07/19/10 01:42 PM
New CP3 ROW.
ROW=Rumor of the Week.
I laugh at how each and every week ESPN has a CP3 rumor up in their Insider spot. It’s always a ‘rumor’ and it’s always an Insider. You have to pay to read ESPN’s Insider but it’s almost always from an article out of a cities newspaper. This weeks Rumor is CP3 going to play for the Bobcats. So what do I do? Just go to the Charlotte Observer and wah laa. There’s the article….
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/07/17/1569144/chris-paul-in-a-bobcats-uniform.html
So people think that if Shinn keeps the team, he’ll get rid of his one and only money maker to the city that basically kicked him out of it. Ohhhhhhhhkay.
#36
Nithenz
07/19/10 01:44 PM
"One thing im sure is that next year we are going to be among the west best ( baring injuries) and we all have to remember that this team was set up by that fat, short, bald, no athletic, moustached guy."
posted July 14th.
im already on that bandwagon.
Injuries are my main concern, and chemistry #2. I dont see Paul happy here and its a shame. He should be the first one comitted to win and talking and whining is just hurting the team. He should know that the team he have around is good enough to dream. If not he can make a Thrice anywhere. but he will loose my respect as LBJ did. he (LBJ) will never be among the league bests now. just another banana on Wades team.
#37
QueenBee
07/19/10 01:54 PM
"He should be the first one comitted to win and talking and whining is just hurting the team. He should know that the team he have around is good enough to dream."
He is the ONLY Hornet that seems to be talking about winning. The other guys may want to win but they don't talk about it. Or maybe they do but the media doesn't care what the other guys on this team think. They only stick microphones in Chris Paul's mouth. David West is the Hornets #2 option and only other All-Star on the team. Have the media asked him anything? No, because they don't care about David West and whether he's happy or not. Chris may think the team he has right now is good enough to dream but he, like most of us, would for once, like our dreams to come true.
#38
Nithenz
07/19/10 02:01 PM
LOL. i remembered when i first read it i laugh and i just did that same thing again with Joe comments there:
"Thanks for commenting Youngfella. As always, your valuable input is appreciated.
What's next- a pessimistic comment on how you want us to lose? Or how about a shot at Jeff Bower? Or you could just insult our franchise? Or you could just insult me again despite the fact that I've actually defended you a couple of times.
Really, they all will suffice. Keep the negativity coming! We all love it.
On a serious note, just stop reading and commenting about what I write. Seriously, just stop. Really, stop. Get it? Stop.
Stop reading what I write
Stop commenting on what I write.
Stop."
#39
QueenBee
07/19/10 02:07 PM
I thought I read in another thread that YF has been banned from commenting. I think I did. Hopefully I did.
#40
420ftJesus
07/19/10 02:12 PM
I have complete faith the Chris wants to win as do the rest of the players. So many teams make moves each off season and do very little to change their true fortunes.
We got a new coach and we'll be making moves in due time. I think it's prudent to see what we're working with regard the rookies, Emeka, and Monty, then make the right moves when our expiring contracts fully ripen closer to the trade deadline.
If we get that championship team together at the last possible moment, secure the 8 seed, and win it all, will Chris say, "I suppose we won the title, but I didn't really expect to win it with the 8 seed, so that doesn't count."
The likelihood of this toy example actually happening is small, but the point is there: Our regular season record isn't as important as the playoff showing.
How much good did that large regular season win total due Cleveland regarding keeping LeBron? How about the big Shaq deal? Maybe waiting to get the right piece for the post-season rather than assuming Shaq was it would have made all the difference.
Chris is no fool. He's spending his political capital, not trying to bolt before this season is over; quite the opposite.
I could be wrong, but again, I'm going to give the little dude the benefit of doubt when it comes to him possibly behaving in any way inconsistent with pure class; he's earned it.
#41
QueenBee
07/19/10 02:23 PM
WAIT A MINUTE!! HOLD THE PHONE! Sorry for the all caps but this is how I'm feeling right now. Did David Aldridge really write this?
"6) Man, everybody's got Chris Paul moving everywhere in two years -- to New York, to Charlotte, to L.A. (of course). How about using that time to just build a better team around him in New Orleans?"
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/david_aldridge/07/19/morning.tip/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1
This guy had always seemed to be one of the many that wanted Chris Paul out of here YESTERDAY.
#42
420ftJesus
07/19/10 02:38 PM
I guess you have to say Chris will land with each of the 30 teams, including us, to be able to say you were right 2 years ago.
#43
Nithenz
07/19/10 02:42 PM
I know he wants to win. Ryan Bowen also wanted to win. I want to win when i play with my friends. What i tried to say is that his comments are not good for the team and fans. Its like saying his teammates sucked. there are things that should be talked behind closed doors. I never doubted his willingness to win and i know he will do his best effort to make it happen, but as you dont say "we will win the championship" at game 1/82, you cant also say that you are open to a trade if the team is not willing to improve. you tell taht to the FO and see where it goes from there. there are things that u talk in the dreessing rooms, others in an office with GMs or owners. But going public is other thing. I love that guy and hope he retire as a Hornet with rings for both of his hands, nothing against him. Im not saying we should trade him or anything like that, just that it was an unfortunate comment.
#44
QueenBee
07/19/10 02:44 PM
I feel what you're saying in that last post Nithenz.
#45
QueenBee
07/19/10 02:47 PM
@420ftJesus-and suprisingly enough, that #6 comment was in his 'Not feelin' section of the article. So he's saying that he's not feelin the CP3 rumors? He usually adds to them.
#46
420ftJesus
07/19/10 02:52 PM
I don't like the tactic of using the press for all the reasons you state and more. However, if it's what he needs to do, I'm willing, as we all are, to suck it up. It doesn't make it feel any better.
And, like I said, I may be wrong. He may be trying to work his way elsewhere in short order. I just don't think so. Maybe my mind won't let me think otherwise. Maybe my heart won't let me feel otherwise.
Life will be better when we get back to basketball and we have something besides fear out there for us to absorb.
#47
QueenBee
07/19/10 02:56 PM
@420ftJesus-I, like you, can't wait to get back to basketball. Summer League is over and we won't have basketball until early/mid October at least. When do the Hornets usually begin airing their Encore Presentations? I'm ready to watch a few wins from last season.
#48
420ftJesus
07/19/10 02:59 PM
More from your same article, QueenBee:
Looks like the Aldridge is a Bower supporter.
2) Jeff Bower is but the latest highly qualified executive (Danny Ferry, Kevin Pritchard, Steve Kerr, David Griffin) to be shown the door by ownership in recent weeks. Which always begs the question: if the team execs think it's such an easy job, why not just add it to theirs?
#49
QueenBee
07/19/10 03:03 PM
420ftJesus, I don't quite agree with Aldridge on that. I think John Hollinger says it better.
Hornets got issues, yes, but they were among the worst cap managers in the league.
10:41 AM Jul 15th via web
Unless you think Peja, Posey, Mo Pete & Rasual Butler all were overrules by mgmt, please spare me the righteous indignation about Jeff Bower
10:40 AM Jul 15th via web
#50
QueenBee
07/19/10 03:04 PM
Among the worst cap managers in the league.
#51
420ftJesus
07/19/10 03:11 PM
I'm not saying I agree with him or not; I'm saying that he says Bower is highly qualified. It sounds like he's got an axe to grind and uses facts to fit is position du jour.
All of this just supports exactly what you said, which is one day he says Chris is be going, and then next saying we can put a team around him here.
I don't mind people changing their minds as they get more and newer data, but to just cherry pick to support your waffling so you can sell `papers' is mere modern sophistry and this guy's peers should ostracize him (to keep with the Greek Cultural references) . . . if they weren't sophists themselves.
Blah. I hate speculative journalism.
#52
QueenBee
07/19/10 03:12 PM
"Blah. I hate speculative journalism."
Cheers! LOL!
#53
mW
07/19/10 05:13 PM
I step out of my summer coma to acknowledge that Joe, as he usually is, is dead on with this post. Mainstream media fails. That is all.
www.hornetshype.com #54
QueenBee
07/19/10 06:45 PM
Big ups to Kevin Durant....
RT @KDthunderup: Now everybody wanna play for the heat and the Lakers? Let's go back to being competitive and going at these peoples!
7:29 PM Jul 16th via web
Carmelo's reply...
@kdthunderup All that mean is Im gonna have to put my teflon on and go to war. BULLY SEASON "2010-11" coming soon.
7:33 PM Jul 16th via web
#55
QueenBee
07/19/10 06:47 PM
His team had a pretty good season but I wonder if in a few years if they aren't doing as well, will he want to leave and form his own 'Big 3'. ?????
#56
420ftJesus
07/19/10 09:30 PM
I heard Carmello, Lil Bow Wow, and one of the mascots are going to form a three man expansion team in Topeka to bring a title to Central Beach.
My source is inside (the Mahalia Jackson Theater).
#57
Hewhorocks
07/20/10 12:06 AM
Comedy not withstanding. Bower was a poor cap manager and his other qualifications aside had no idea how to run a consistent NBA defense. Comments to Jerry V like "Motion doesn't create offense at this level" displays a fundamental misunderstanding of how elite teams play. Not saying I could do better, saying I couldn't do much worse. CP was told dont worry were going to build a competitive team and the hornets biggest move? Oh right dropping Mo Pete. We can expect a couple of injuries the question is do we have the flexibility to respond? Im not crying Doom Im saying If I were CP I'd speak up as well. Part of leadership is calling out those who haven't done their part and management and yes even fans are part of that.
Teams in the west you could reasonably expect to have better years than the hornets:
Lakers, Denver, OKC, Portland, Dallas, San Antonio all seem to be in a better position.
I think we are scrapping with Utah, Phoenix, Houston maybe Memphis for the last two spots? Certainly if team defense jumps up to an elite level we could expect to rise even to the third seed. That will take a commitment to a team concept that I'm not convinced everyone currently on the rooster can/will buy into.
My hopes? 55 wins a Third seed and a magic run to the finals. My prediction? 44 wins... 7 more than last year third place in the SW...And that shouldn't be enough to convince Paul the Hornets are serious.
#58