Perhaps nobody informed Chris Paul, but his recent rumblings about wanting to win do nothing but hinder the Hornets, his Hornets, ability to build a contender around him. He claims that his number one goal is to win a title in New Orleans, but the recent leaks from his camp leave the Hornets in a position in which they are unable to build around Paul in fear of losing everything.
The Hornets best chance to substantially improve their roster this year, trading Darren Collison to shore up a weaker position, turned to dust, at least temporarilly, at the global realization that Chris Paul is truly intent on leaving New Orleans. An example of a trade like this is the Granger deal talked about weeks ago. Although that trade was fabricated out of thin air, the reality remains that a highly beneficial trade is possible, but only if Paul is committed for the long term.
On a team with tons of expiring contracts and only one true non-essential player with high trade value it seemed a forgone conclusion that if the season was going well, a deal sending Collison out of town would be announced before the trade deadline. That was how the Hornets would be able to add talented players this season in spite of their salary obligations. That was how they would position themselves as a premier destination for players in the summer of 2011. All in all, that was how they could become a contender in the short term with Chris Paul.
As things stand now the team can't deal Collison. He might not be Deron Williams, but he's a hell of a point guard. Considering the Hornets aren't a single deal away from contending and seemingly have no guarantees that Paul will be recruiting anyone next summer (or that a season will even take place), the long term risk outweighs the possible short term gain in any deal that sends Collison out town.
Collison is a top 20 point guard already and should only improve as he sees more time. If the team trades him and then Paul opts out and leaves in the summer of 2012, the Hornets would be without a point guard, creating a gaping hole at the currently stacked position.
So Chris Paul might be saying he wants to win in New Orleans, but what he means is that he wants out. Behind closed doors, connected NBA writers are saying he's "desperate" to leave. Wasn't sure if I would ever address any of the conversations that took place at casino bars in Vegas during the waning hours of the night time, but things were said that made me question what I think about Chris Paul, specifically his commitment to the New Orleans Hornets.
As regular readers know, I'm a bit of a homer and I fly with blinders on. Paul is one of my favorite players of all time and is at least partially responsible for getting me back into following basketball in 2006 and consequently writing in 2009. He remains the player I most enjoy watching and the Hornets best chance to compete for a title in the next few years. Hell, I even taught my dog the CP3 "whoo", which will make it up here before too long if Paul remains on the team.
What has left me is the feeling that Paul had so much pride in being a part of this great city and it's re-invigoration. No need mentioning Katrina for too long since that was a long time ago, but it's been one hell of a ride since the storm and he's been a big part of it. That MVP worthy year in 2007-2008 and the resulting season by the Hornets gave much needed hope to the city and cemented professional basketball as a fixture in New Orleans. For a while it even appeared that Paul's #3 might be overtaking Bush's #25 and Drew's #9 as most popular in town. For a place that loves that football as much as New Orleans, that's saying something. From building basketball courts to buying local children Christmas presents, Chris Paul always seemed honored to be a part of.
Nola has something to it that is undeniably different than anywhere else. The city itself that has makes some people desperate to hold onto a bar stool and tell whoever is listening how much they love it. For me that love extends to the Hornets and the Saints. I live and die with them, and Vegas was a sad reminder that sometimes the players just don't care much about the fans they leave behind.
I hate the idea that Paul would rather be elsewhere. I feel betrayed and used because I've spent hundreds of hours cheering for him, and nearly as many combating Deron Williams lovers. I've watched Paul grow as a player and it's just not fair that after all this he wants to leave, without really giving the team his all and with two years left on his deal. He missed 37 games last year and now he wants out because he doesn't think the team can compete? That's infuriating on so many levels.
What makes this all worse is the fact that much like after a fight with a girlfriend, I can't quite tell whether this is the end or just a chance to start fresh.
Paul meets with new management today and he's sure to have some very real grievances with the way things have gone over the past year. If he will listen to reason he might understand that there weren't really any big moves to be made this summer since the team was already so far over the cap. He might really hear this building plan from the Hornets and get excited about it because it's not so far fetched, after all. Paul needs to be reminded that it's always going to be better to win a title as your own man than as someone's sidekick after a forced trade. Long story short, he needs to realize that LeBron isn't really a guy that he should look to for guidance.
There is still hope that things can be remedied. We can still kiss and make up.
But if he won't listen to reason then get number three out of New Orleans for the best talent possible no matter who offers it. Chris Paul doesn't want to play for David Kahn and the Timberwolves? Tough. Nobody cares.


22 masterful comments post your own
Grayson
07/26/10 03:45 AM
Chris Paul is really angering me. He's trying to follow a trend.
But sadly I feel that Lebron and his crew are trying to write the NBA future. They want a two-team-superpower-league. After all that is why Lebron said Paul needs to stay in the Western Conference. Not because it was for his own good, but because it's part of Lebron's masterplan to fit his ego.
I'll say it before and I'll say it again, this really isn't Paul's decision. Lebron's ability to manipulate Paul's desire to win and fit it into his grand plan for his legacy is truly what is going on. After Beijing 2008, they all made a pact to play together in the NBA. Lebron's company then put in motion this whole thing with Lebron and Bosh going to join Wade in Miami. Now it's Lebron's people that are pushing Paul to leave New Orleans as stage 2 of the plan.
Sure Paul loves folks in New Orleans, but he doesn't seem to understand that when you win a championship you win it for (and with) your team-mates as much as yourself. His continuing statement is , "I want to win championships now." Pretty much says it all. He and himself alone wants to win championships. His preference is to do it with his "friends."
It's sad that Paul's decision making has been tunneled down to just leaving. It really is...
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DownUnder
07/26/10 03:45 AM
Keep up the spirits!
There must be some tention up there in the the Northern hemisphere. Hopefully this all comes out with the best results, whether that be with or without CP.
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F******
07/26/10 04:12 AM
The only chance for the hornets to built a contender is by spending $. You don't necessarily have to spend alot to get there, if you take the spurs or thunder for example, but it is necessary in the hornets' current short term situation. That's the basic starting point! Whether Chouest is going to do that is uncertain.
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downnout
07/26/10 05:00 AM
sure he can* win a title if he leaves new orleans for orlando, but he'll lose the respect of most fans(not just the new orleans fans) specially the ones who root for the small market teams.
i really feel bad for the small market teams. if this trend goes on, then the NBA draft will just be a joke. david stern should say " for the 1st pick in the 2012 nba draft, the new orleans hornets wants to train blah blah for four years until hes ready to go to the big market teams"
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Grayson
07/26/10 05:42 AM
@Downnout: Exactly. It's only a matter of time before John Wall wants out of Washington, Tyreke Evans wants out of Sarcramento, Brandon Jennings wants out of Miliwaukee, Johnny Flynn wants out of Minnesota etc.
David Stern doesn't control the NBA anymore, Lebron and his entourage do.
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Jeff
07/26/10 05:44 AM
I can't agree with the last paragraph of that statement more. If he really thinks he needs a trade to get out of New Orleans, and we oblige. I would love nothing more than sending him to a team definately not on his list (cause the teams on his list have shit to offer), but to a team that has to strip its core down to have the pieces to trade us. It would be awesome to watch him go somewhere and play for a terrible team while he waits for free agency when he could have stayed in NOLA. If he wants to stay here and be committed to winning then he will undoubtedly stay my favorite player in the nba. If he wants to follow the lebronification process and go be somebody's robin, then I say screw you Chris Paul, I wish nothing but bad things for the rest of your nba career, and that starts with putting you on the team that offers the best deal, and leave you with the least to work with. This is shameful and pathetic.
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Michael McNamara
07/26/10 06:06 AM
Love the article and agree with all the points except the one about not being able to move DC because of the uncertainty of Paul. The fact is that if Paul leaves we will be miles away from being a championship contender again and will have holes to fill. If we move DC for Granger, let's say, then we have a hole to fill at PG with Paul leaving. If we don't do that trade, then we have a hole to fill at SF.
Personally I agree that PG is a position that you have to have filled but I also think it is already the deepest position in the NBA by far and 3 of the top 10 picks next year are supposed to be PG's. Also, seeing that the last 3 championships were won with Derek Fisher and Rondo (back when he was below average) at PG- I wouldn't hesitate to move Collison at all if it could net me some great value at either SF or Center.
My theory is that any champion (except 04 Pistons) needs a top 5 player on the roster, so if CP3 leaves or is traded then it sets the franchise back a great deal. Even without certainties he will stay I would do whatever it took to increase my chances to re-sign him and if he leaves anyway, then I have to be confident that either I can get another PG or acquire one in a CP3 sign and trade because whoever wants him in 2012 will have no use for their current PG anyway.
I agree with you though on the overall feelings of disappointment and I still hold out hope that he is just trying to wake this franchise up- and part of me thinks he has. So far they have hired two incredibly bright, young minds, fired the Bass's, and are supposedly filling out their scouting staff and FO staff with real basketball minds. If we see some great moves next with regard to our roster, maybe we will all come to love the way CP3 went about this because he gave this franchise the wake-up call it needed!
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Grayson
07/26/10 06:24 AM
@Michael McNamara- Very optimistic view and I truly hope it was all just to give the Hornets a shot in the arm, but I don't think it is. I really think Paul has one foot out the door and is not bluffing. In my view the Hornets have ONE year to do something before it's to late. The Hornets do hold the leverage at the moment and I hope they realise that. What I hope is that Demps, Williams and Weber go into today asking for one year from now to get him his roster. After all I don't think Chris has even met with Monty, I could be mistaken though.
Rohan from At the Hive said that Williams has an up beat attitude and truly is a personable guy (somewhat similar to Byron Scott). I really hope Chris sees this and stays on board. To be honust this meeting really is make or break for this organisation, and I am hoping Paul stays on board with New Orleans for just one more season to give this new front office a chance.
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berlinhornets
07/26/10 06:32 AM
I also hope Chris Paul stays (the only trade I would advocate is Roy for Paul straight up - I think we would come out winning which is one more reason why it wont happen). My only problem is that next season would be tainted right from the start. If Paul does not come out and pledge his loyalty and his trust in the Hornets franchise I will view every basket, every assist and every steal he makes next season as advertisement for other franchises on his part. It would take away a lot from the joy of watching hornets game. Even the "whooo" sound would sound hollow to me.
Despite everything though I am looking forward to next season, if only to have all this speculation and rumor stuff take a back seat to actual basketball.
Thats another reason why I am looking forward to this years WC in Turkey. Germany and the USA are playing. And none of the pricks (e.g. the Miami douches) are on board. I will definitely enjoy watching Durant and TC.
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Grayson
07/26/10 06:42 AM
@Berlinhornet: Australia is definatly finishing top 3, well maybe if we had Bogut and Jawai healthy haha. But we're still a pretty solid team, with Patty Mills, David Andersen, AJ Ogilvy, and others.
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420ftJesus
07/26/10 07:33 AM
I tend to think along McNamara's lines here. Maybe I'm just a moron, and I definitely haven't had the benefit of Gerrity's coversations with Mr. X while having eggs of enlightenment, but I just trust the little dude. While I'm fully prepared to get kicked in the wolly-wops-wops today, it's just not where the smart money is at for me.
January with a losing record and no trades, or bad trades... that's a different story entirely.
Anyone got a time on the meeting?
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420ftJesus
07/26/10 09:04 AM
This makes is seem like the meeting is in the morning, like prior to lunch.
Also, it seems now that the meeting is upon us, people have started to realize that Hornets aren't going to deal him. And why would they?
Of, and if they want Paul, they have to take our only long-term contract, which bodes well if we want to execute a Miami-style plan. Maybe Chris'll want to come back then? Ha!
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5410152
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berlinhornets
07/26/10 09:37 AM
@grayson Australia actually has a good team. I really like Patty Mills - smallish but with the heart of a bear (koala? ;-) just kidding. I'll be watching Australia a little closer this WC, if only for knowing that another Hornets brethren's heart will be involved. Good luck
@420 I am actually happy to see the article by stein. Its not like that it says Paul is happy or something like that, but it shows the FO's determination. I would have loved to see such a stance a couple of weeks ago by Bower. I guess the situation has changed and Bower was not really willing to involve Paul as much as he would have liked to.
All I can say regarding to Paul and his increased role in personnel developement (this is actually true for every new age player like James etc.) that he should be willing to carry more responsiblity if he wants a bigger say in everything (like giving money back in case of not delivering wins with the team a superstar wanted - this could only be achieved with a new CBA I guess). With more power comes more responsiblity. If the players want more power, they should be willing to take more blame in case of defeats.
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Hewhorocks
07/26/10 09:48 AM
I don’t think the Hornets problems have been about its “cheapness” as the Hornets were the highest Payroll at one point. I think its about being a poorly run franchise.
I think the girlfriend analogy is exceptionally. The Hornets and to some extent the Hornets fans have been the neglectful dare I say unappreciative boyfriend. “Ohh CP you’re the best…but look at (insert Saints player) are they great?” The loudest cheers all year in the area were not for game winning shots but for guest appearances by the other Nola team…. or for the “Stand up and get crunk” song. But its not just that we got our “heads turned”, we broke promises, several of them. Look at the big picture, we fired a coach CP admired and instead of replacing him with a great basketball mind replaced him with a front-office flunkie. Sure Bower did a decent job identifying talent but nobody is considering him for a coaching position. Then the stripping of depth (for relatively inexpensive players…remember how poorly our second squad did before DC?) this was throwing in the towel on last year before it even began. Then Paul was promised something to be done in Free agency. Aaron Grey is a monster but I’m not sure he qualifies as an active free agency acquisition. Finally the master-mind of all these moves was fired not for being inept, but for not recognizing the constraint in the system. If I were Paul I would suspect that the Hornets have no idea what they are doing. I look at the Hornets last year and a half and think they are in free-fall. The a rudderless in a storm. Time will tell with the new Front-office/Coaching changes but it all starts with the ownership. Today’s meeting is all about “Chris trust us we’ve changed” but Im not sure he can believe us until the ownership issue is settled. We’ve got Chirs Paul at the party but weve been asked to take him home. We’ve got the car ride to save the relationship, it all depends on how we drive.
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bballstud16
07/26/10 12:39 PM
Sounds better than what we've been hearing:
On Monday 26th July 2010, @Oneandonlycp3 said:
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“The meeting went well. It was great to get an opportunity to sit down with Coach Williams, President Weber and our new General Manager Dell Demps. I expressed my desire to win and I like what they said about the direction that they want to take the team. I have been a Hornet my entire career and I hope to represent the city of New Orleans and state of Louisiana for many years to come.”
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JCS
07/26/10 02:50 PM
Cheer up Joe Joe. If CP leaves we'll still have ya boy, Aaron Gray ;)
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johnblaze
07/26/10 05:55 PM
chris paul shouldn't have signed on for five years if he wasn't committed to the team for that long. Demanding a trade is the ultimate diva move and I can't stand how players are so fast to take the cash but wont put in the work or man up when times are rough.
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QueenBee
07/27/10 01:16 AM
johnblaze he didn't sign on for five years. Where'd you get that from? Another one of those articles floating around out there? He signed 4years with the 4th being a player option.
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Robin
07/27/10 01:20 AM
Oh man, I just went through this with LeBron so I know exactly where you're coming from. A lot of what you write expresses exactly how I feel about that situation.
But, I don't think Chris Paul deserves the same level of condemnation. A crucial difference is that he hasn't had maximum support from ownership. As Cleveland showed, even teams that don't limit their spending have a hard time winning championships. A willingness to spend is the minimum that a player of Chris' caliber can ask for. And I'm not talking about spending that is strategically disciplined. I'm saying that, whenever spending is subject to non-basketball concerns, a championship is pretty much out of the question, and the ownership should forfeit its right to steward the career of a historically great player.
I think that what Chris is doing is ultimately good for Hornets fans. Because, also unlike LeBron, he is providing the team with a pathway for keeping his services (taking his words in good faith). If management can't take the steps to build a contending team with Paul, then who really cares whether he stays? Wouldn't it be depressing, on some level, to watch a great player waste his career on your favorite team? It sort of defeats the purpose of having him if a championship is never in reach. With players like Paul, it always should be.
And given the history of troubled ownership here, I think there is more reason to see Paul's agitation as productive, rather than hurtful to the team's building process. With any reservations about spending, ownership may have otherwise avoided risks knowing that they would have a superstar no matter what. Now, Paul has changed the equation, to where the team has to act decisively in order retain him. They have to go all in, or fold. Mediocrity, the worst NBA fate, is no longer an option. That's good for the fans. And if management/ownership can't go all in, that's on them.
Some of this comes down to how much you trust ownership/management to do their job completely, and avoid complacency, without prodding or accountability. But either way, at least we know they can't be complacent now.
And as far as Collison, Paul's demands have, if anything, increased the urgency of trading him. The only potential damage to trading prospects comes if teams decide to pass up deals for Collison as a way of starving Chris Paul out of New Orleans. But competition mostly precludes that. An available Chris Paul is potentially beneficial to many teams, so it's never worth it for one team to turn down a helpful trade to force a result that will likely benefit someone else. And the teams that would trade for Collison are different ones than would trade for Paul (unless Indiana made it onto his list).
And I would disagree that Chris has somehow gone about this in a classless way (as LeBron did). After all, what has he himself said, other than 'I want to keep playing in New Orleans and win'? It's unfair to criticize him based on what reporters say he wants, even if they're right. He has not said anything disrespectful himself.
Ultimately, I think this episode has much more in common with Kobe's '07 trade demands, which are remembered as constructive, than with this summer's "LeDecision". Even if the result turns out much differently.
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JCS
07/27/10 09:49 AM
^^^ Best comment in this thread ^^^
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Robin
07/27/10 02:34 PM
Thanks JCS!
#21
build it here
07/29/10 10:57 AM
go get granger and hibbert for this year, then get carmelo anthony for next year. think about this line up for the 2011-2012 season.
CP3-Granger-Melo-West-Hibbert.
this seems like the type of team that the hornets could actually build.
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